Man, it’s not easy out there. Your partner clearly has a major personality disturbance, but sometimes separating borderline, narcissistic and sociopathic behavior can be hard. Real tough. Especially when there are spill-over behaviors, cross-contaminating behaviors and attitudes (as there often are) that further muddy the diagnostic waters.
Let’s look at rage, for instance. Rage is a major marker of the borderline and narcissistic personality. Sociopaths, being essentially malignant, high-end narcissists, like any full-blown narcissist, are also capable of frightful, bullying, abusive rages.
The borderline’s rage, much like the narcissist’s, tends to be elicted by disappoinment. And it’s not always “abandonment”-related. When the borderline, much like the narcissist, feels uncatered to, neglected or invalidated, WATCH OUT!!!!
The “tsunami” will be coming in a gigantic, overwhelming, RATIONALIZED WAVE. That wave will crash on you with shocking, destructive force, threatening to take your legs out from under you.
The sociopath’s rage is also elicited, commonly, by the frustration of his needs, demands, expectations. When that’s not the case, he may be salivating for some excitement, perhaps to escape the accumulating tension of his boredom; and so he may want a good dust-up to entertain himself: Unleashing his rage in a bullying assault may do the trick.
Remorse for the impact and damage of their rages is often missing in all three cases. Incredible, really INCREDIBLE rationalization, plus the astounding absence of self-reflection and accountability, is commonly missing as well.
The borderline feels as justified in his raging as the narcissist. His raging is pure narcissism being acted-out in the moment. The borderline, it is true, may later plead for forgiveness, but this is not always the case. Some borderlines will not pursue you at all after they’ve degraded you in a rage.
And not to confuse matters, but some narcissists and sociopaths will lobby for your forgiveness and amnesty after abusive displays in sometimes florid gestures of contrition.
The borderline and narcissist are both notorious vacillators along the idealizing-devaluing continuum. They are both “splitters” in the sense of perceiving others in rigidly black and white ways. When in their good graces, you are fantastic; their greatest luck and good fortune was to have met you; but disappoint them, and you are likely, suddenly, abruptly, to qualify as the worst, most despicable person they ever had the misfortune to cross paths with.
Sociopaths, in this sense, may be so disconnected, so pathologically disengaged from, and indifferent to, the emotional lives of others that, paradoxically, they may bring less of this particular kind of “splitting” drama to the table than borderlines and the typical narcissist.
This isn’t to suggest that sociopaths don’t “act out” in an outrageous variety of destructive ways. They can, and do.
And devaluation and contempt of others deeply, definingly characterizes the sociopath’s perspective; it’s just that the sociopath may actually exercise, and experience, his twisted emotional disconnection from others with sometimes (but not always!) less volatility than your typical borderline or narcissist. He may sometimes be more predictably, continuously indifferent, contemptuous and emotionally uninvested in others than his borderline or narcissistic counterpart.
The borderline can be callous and cruel, as can the narcissist and sociopath. Hmmm. When we are dealing with a callous, cruel individual whose aim is to BE DESTRUCTIVE (at least in the moment), with no compunction or remorse, but only contempt and hate for the object of his rage, then at least, for the moment, it may be somewhat immaterial which personality disorder we’re dealing with.
We may know later, but at the time, what difference does it really make? The individual’s present intent is clear—to hurt, destroy, inflict pain (in the borderline’s case, perhaps to discharge his pain by inflicting pain). But the experience on the other end, on your end, may be largely the same. You will feel variously abused, humiliated, threatened, degraded.
As noted, all three personality types may (or may not) later show contrition, thus contrition doesn’t accurately distinguish them. Plus, gauging the sincerity of an apology, its depth, is tough business. So again, this isn’t easy. Who are we dealing with? And does it even, always, matter?
I might add this rather vague, but possibly valid, observation: When borderlines aren’t “borderlining,” they are often really good and good-hearted individuals. They are often generous, authentic, sensitive and giving individuals. This is obviously a generalization. There are “borderlines” who, even when they aren’t raging, may be self-centered, jerky individuals, unpleasant and messed up in a million other ways. Still, many borderlines when they’re functioning above their “rage modes” are genuinely engaged, empathic, loving individuals.
You can not say this about the sociopath. This doesn’t mean the sociopath can’t “put this on.” But the sociopath, even when he isn’t obviously “sociopathing,” is always who he is at bottom: a cold, empty, empathically deficient, transgressive-minded individual who, at best, covers up his core contempt of others’ dignity and boundaries.
Not so with borderline personalities.
And narcissists who aren’t full-blown, those who retain a capacity to reflect on their narcissism (as some do) and its impact on those around them–which is tantamount to saying they retain a capacity (in less self-centered states of mind) to reflect on their impact on others with some degree of empathy–these narcissists, too, may be capable of authentic generosity, engagement and compassion, which makes them less incorrigible (and perhaps thus even more confusing) than the sociopath who, if he may sometimes present as the more stable, consistent personality, is clearly the most pathological of them all.
This article is intended to introduce the complicated challenge of differientating these volatile, destructive personalities; it is the first of several I intend to write.
(This article was copyrighted © 2012 by Steve Becker, LCSW. My use of the male gender pronoun was strictly for convenience’s sake and not to imply that females aren’t capable of the attitudes and behaviors discussed.)
I have BPD and I found this article and its comments to be malicious and extremely hurtful. You may not consider my sort to be a human being, but I am very much so.
Paleluna, I’m so very sorry that you were diagnosed with BPD and that you find the content of the article to be offensive. Nobody would ever WISH to suffer BPD or bi-polar disorder or any other disorder, I assure you! I mean, nobody wakes up and says, “Today, I’m going to be a borderline….” It’s a very, very terrible disorder.
Having said that, I have a son who was diagnosed BPD C/B, and he makes choices that harm other people. His violence is barely contained, even on the best days. He’s attempted to strangle Wife #1, and only he knows what he did to Wife #2. He has made the choice to disengage himself from any culpability for his own actions and, instead, excuses his choices on everything under the sun.
If a person has been properly diagnosed, then the responsibility of their disorder falls squarely upon their shoulders – either they’re going to get help and learn to manage their disorder, or they’re not. Many people CAN manage BPD if they choose to. What people cannot do is “manage” sociopathy – sociopathy is different from BPD in many, many ways with the most glaring indication being a total absence of empathy and remorse.
My feeling about the article was to differentiate between the disorders and not to cause you to feel hurt.
Brightest blessings to you.
Paleluna,
I hope you are doing well in your healing from BPD, I know it’s not easy. Most of us here are also in the process of healing from trauma and that is why you will detect some anger and lashing out. Hopefully, we’ll get to the point where we can heal through understanding rather than anger, but anger does happen as a protective mechanism, initially.
Your contribution is appreciated.
My opinion is that future scientific research will show that the Cluster B personality disorders and psychopathy(sociopathy) are a spectrum disorder, meaning that they’re all the same basic disorder, just varying in frequency and intensity from mild to severe. Although, borderline pd may be its own category, because it includes breaks with reality and emotional dysregulation in addition to the lack of empathy and the narcissism that underlies all the Cluster Bs and psychopathy. “Its Always, Always, All About Me.”
Ox, I am glad you brought up “Cluster B” because after reading Women Who Love Psychopaths I’ve actually just taken to calling them all “Cluster Bs.”
My ex was diagnosed with Borderline, but after living with him for a year, I think he is closer to a Sociopath, and this article would confirm that: at his core, he’s always pathological, and no kindness was ever genuine, but just a way to get an upper hand or play to his broader objective of manipulation.
So, I’ve just started saying: He/She is a Cluster B is or from Cluster B.
Also, you mentioned the abuse in childhood aspect with Borderlines. I delved into that, because I was worried that I was Borderline after reading some stuff about them (not from childhood sexual abuse, but from various other traumas, like having a P father). I found some articles about Complex Post Traumatic Stress Disorder being VERY similar to Borderline. Some professionals call it the SAME THING under a different name. Others say there are very distinct differences between the two, most notably that C-PTSD is more treatable, whereas Borderlines, like Spaths, are pretty hard to heal or help. What are your thoughts on that? I am sure you’ve read more than I have on the topic. I was willing to consider that I may have Borderline, especially because nothing would be worse than having a sickness like that and then being in denial about it and unwilling to change, but after talking to some people who know a bit more about it, they pulled me around to accepting that I seem to have C-PTSD….yet where these two things diverge is a bit convoluted. I also went to a psychologist here in Germany who cast his vote on the side of C-PTSD and depression related to it for my case.
Your thoughts?
thank you spirit40 that has to be the most illuminating book!
on the differentiation of cluster B and c-ptsd, i personally think there is a biological threshold reached, probably in earlier childhood development, that may differentiate these two; one that depends on the predisposition of genetic susceptibility and the emotional/physical environment.
Well, the sociopath I endured was a true, honest-to-goodness, 100% sociopath- plain and simple. And sorry but he is not a complete human being. No heart, no conscience, no love or respect, no empathy or compassion and all selfishness make for a pretty lousy excuse for a human. But throw in raging violence and criminal activity, hateful destruction of innocent people and complete callous disregard for society and you get a sub-human. It is what it is.
BTW, thanks for mentioning EMDR. I never heard of this but I am going to look into it.
I have been involved with such a variety of the disordered, I don’t really know which was which. What I DO know is that every single one of them were damaging.
From the one who always ‘knows what’s best for you’, so tries to control everything, to the violent rage-a-holic, they all create varying levels of emotional/physical/spiritual damage. None of them were safe. None of them contributed any lasting or meaningful (as an intention) goodness in my life.
However, repeating my pattern of involvement did propel me to finally wake up. But I won’t ever be thankful to any of them for that. To me that’s like being grateful to the Tornado that destroyed your house, because you got to rebuild a nicer one.
My life is nicer now that I don’t get involved with people who entice me into playing dangerous, time wasting, heartbreaking games, that I am not equipped to play (thank goodness!).
I second what Slim says.
Hi, new here and I can only comment on sociopaths and narcissists. I was ruined by a sociopath on the job in 2003. I was involved with a narcissist on and off from 2006 to 2011 (whom I still wonder if he is a sociopath), and most recently I’ve been stalked by a sociopath (or psychopath as my therapist has termed him).
This has affected my work life in case 1, my personal life in case 2, and where I live in case 3. So each avenue of my life has been severely impacted by these predators. The first one cost me a very good job. The second one sent me into a nervous breakdown. This last one drove me out of my nice home of over eight years latching onto the first thing I could find – which was a mobile home in a park.
I’m not sure I’ll ever recover from the damage inflicted in the vital areas of my life. To me the label is not that important. The behaviors are.