by Quinn Pierce
For a long time, I tried to keep confrontations with my ex-husband to a minimum. I always thought that I could avoid causing my boys any further harm by just ”˜keeping the peace’. I considered it a small price to pay if I had to tolerate inconveniences and insults in order to give my children a drama-less environment.
But, as is always the case when negotiating with a sociopath, the price was much higher than I ever imagined.
Good Intentions
I believed I was setting an example by taking the high road and not engaging my ex-husband in his game-playing antics. Unfortunately, what I was doing was letting a bully set the rules and move the boundaries at will.
And while I thought I was helping my boys to feel safe and secure, I was acting in a way that made them think I could not protect them from their father. If I couldn’t stand up to him when he tried to exert control and disrupt our lives with small, insignificant acts, how could I stand up to him if he did something really hurtful or scary?
I guess I didn’t realize that a sociopath will act the exact same way whether someone is nice or not. It’s definitely true of my ex-husband. The more accommodating and agreeable I am, the more he tries to take advantage of me and push past the boundaries I have set. It seems as though his ultimate goal is always to have me engage in some type of drama, and so, he pushes until there is conflict, takes advantage of my conflict avoidance, or enjoys every second of his drama-filled arguments.
Unlikely Gifts
For me, it was something I had to figure out through experience, since it didn’t really register when anyone else shared this type of advice. Which means it took a totally unexpected, and somewhat bizarre event, to show me just how misguided my judgment was when dealing with this man whose only consistent characteristic is spitefulness.
And that event occurred after I finally decided to reinstate a long forgotten rule of not allowing unexpected visits from my ex at my home. Not long after my minor reprimand and reminder to him not to show up unannounced, I received two hate-filled emails from his new wife outlining every aspect of my life that she felt needed criticizing and judging. Apparently, my life is just chock-full of reprehensible, despicable, and immoral behavior. Actually, I was a bit jealous of the ”˜me’ she described with such animosity; in reality, my life is not nearly as interesting or well planned.
Unexpected Response
It may not seem all that unusual for a new wife to despise an ex-wife, but I was very surprised by the email attack by this woman. For one thing, I had probably spoken to her for a total of five minutes in the previous two years. Secondly, I never gave as much thought to her as she obviously did to me, and I found it unsettling that she had such strong opinions of someone she hardly knew. Lastly, I actually encouraged my boys to have a relationship with this woman. Ok, maybe I couldn’t say the words “step mom” without feeling ill, but I figured the boys would need all the support they could get when visiting their father, so I was actually relieved when he met someone who had children the same ages as mine.
This may provide some insight as to how I missed the warning signs when I married my ex-husband in the first place, since twenty years later, I still seem to have this naïve streak that gets me into these predicaments.
Waiting For The Opportunity
At any rate, I needed to talk to my boys about this strange turn of events. I knew they would be hearing some less-than-pleasant things said about me next time they visited their dad, and I wanted to let them know that, although I was disappointed by the disrespectful and cruel email attacks, I really didn’t care what she thought about me and they should just ignore anything they heard.
What this incident did, however, was far more significant than learning how much anger and hate a virtual stranger held toward me. It gave my boys an opportunity to unleash all the emotions they had held in for two years.
Following My Lead
Once those floodgates were opened, there was no turning back for my boys. All of a sudden, I was hearing details of their visits that I never heard before. And, my boys were starting to speak up for themselves when staying over at their father’s house. What’s more, they became very protective of me and were no longer pretending everything was fine at my ex-husband’s home.
I was stunned by the transformation of my children. I realized that they were just waiting for the opportunity to talk about what it was like visiting their father’s house. I had actually prevented them from expressing their concerns, opinions, fears, etc, because what I had considered to be ”˜keeping the peace’ had actually created an atmosphere that did not encourage the boys to speak their minds or share any negative experiences.
In Hindsight
In essence, by trying to prevent conflict and confrontation, I had caused more stress for my children. I let a sociopath make and change the rules,-giving him his coveted control, while I appeared unable to protect the boys from his harmful behaviors.
I couldn’t believe the outcome of my actions were actually the complete opposite of what I had intended. I guess I had continued a pattern of compliance from my marriage that I didn’t even realize was still happening. It nearly broke my heart to learn this.
Better Late Than Never
It’s strange to think I am grateful for being verbally attacked by my ex-husband’s new wife, but I would say that I am. She provided the catalyst to the events that would subsequently give my boys the opportunity to find their voices.
And I learned how important it is to maintain boundaries and not let the bully exert control. I had become so used to avoiding arguments and conflicts that I didn’t recognize those situations that required me to stand up to my ex-husband. He recognized that trait in me, and he took advantage of what he saw as an easy opportunity.
So, I am grateful. I don’t know how long it might have taken me otherwise to figure out that my non-confrontational approach to my ex-husband was causing anxiety and stress for my children.
Who knows, maybe someday I’ll email her back and thank her for telling me what a horrible, controlling, vindictive person I am”¦then again, it was really a pain to have to change my email address after her unsolicited opinions of my character flaws began flooding my inbox, so maybe I’ll just call it even.
mtiredofit,
Right now you’re feeling angry and overwhelmed.And bewildered.Life with a sociopath drains you of life and replaces the empty spaces with vile thoughts and knowledge;nearly depleting you of all strength.Women are only “weaker vessels” because they are emotional.But we can become real warriors when we have the proper knowledge of what we’re dealing with–and the determination to carry thru!That’s when we start feeling renewed energy…the blood starts flowing again!Step right up and start reading!Look forward to more posts from you!
Blossom
You are so right about this. Once I realized what I am dealing with,I became “empowered” and so much stronger than I was before. I knew since a few years that my husband was an extreme narcissist. I tried so hard to make my 20 years marriage work. After I was discarded for a more attractive, sexier, more fun co worker of his, only then did I realize how serious this personal disorder really is. I kept on educating myself and eventually I learned about the no contact rule. After many months of no contact now I am so ready for divorce proceedings. I feel “powerful” and more self confident than ever. I finally stood up. Even though he is the one who left I don’t feel “abandoned” anymore. I am ready for a new chapter in my life without him. I don’t want to hear what he has to say and I don’t want to say anything to him anymore. This one word “DONE” keeps coming up in my mind. Be because I am truly 100 percent done with him and the pain he caused me and my son. No more and I will prevail.
kaya48,
My favorite “warrior song” is “Done” by Band Perry! Everytime Katy sings “Done” I can’t help but singing that word out and lifting my fist in the air!
Way to go Blossom! My favorite song is “Done” by The Band Perry too! It’s awesome and so is Katy Perry’s “Roar.” Let’s all “roar” and be “done” together!
V2
Just TODAY, that was my FB status. I said ROAR was my theme song this year. LOL…read my post below, I think what I’ve done is a pretty loud ROAR! Rawr! 😉
Very good thought victim 2 . I feel the same way. Thanks for letting me know about the song. It is so true. I never had the “done” feeling until about 4 months after I was discarded. He kept telling me that it was all my fault , that I was mentally insane and he had no other choice besides leaving. I almost believed him and I questioned myself over and over. One day I realized it had nothing to do with me at all. I was a faithful, supportive wife who took his abuse . No matter how hard I tried I would have never made him truly happy. In reality it was all him, the porn addiction, the affairs, the lies. And I also learned from this website that he will treat his new victim the same way because that is who he is. I don’t think much about it anymore and once the divorce is over this chapter of my life will be closed for ever. In my mind it already is because to me and my son he is absolutely nothing. Thanks for all your great support and encouragement.
I find myself doing the same thing! After years of being in an absive relationship you sort of forget how to react or show emotion–because so much is suppressed, or you don’t feel safe expressing yourself. Thanks for the warning! I am definitely going to pay more attention and work on this 🙂
I keep getting stuck, wanting my ex to be remorseful, wanting some measure of justice, wanting this nightmare to be over. It just isn’t right that these men get to waltz off with their new supply, having had tons of fun crushing our souls, and never face the consequences.
Right now, I’m so torn. My ex did some really f’ed stuff to me, and I know everyone here probably has their share of the same kind of horror stories. Well, in my case, I had an opportunity to publicly expose my ex, which I have done. Now I feel awful, and I want to take it down, but at the same time I feel like, hey, if you don’t want people to know about it, you probably shouldn’t be doing it.
What sent me over the top was his love-bombing, and assertions he was a changed man, AND he even confessed to many things that really devastated me. He even admitted to constantly trying to turn it around on me, to make me look as if I were crazy somehow when I would call him out on his lies. It was so frustrating, and yes, normal people become angry when they are lied to. He always told me I had an anger problem. I told him I had a being lied to problem. He would lie and lie, then when I would get mad he would say he just couldn’t deal with my temper, and dump me. Of course the whole time, he was cycling through 3 or 4 different women. So, he came somewhat clean to me in an effort to move forward with me, because those were the boundaries I had set, among others.
When it came time to actually DO the things he promised, he weaseled out, AGAIN, and this time I had had it. I know him and he always comes back. Always. I had so much stuff on him, I held it over his head in the hopes he would just do the simple thing, the right thing…you know, tell the truth, stay clean, pay attention to me. It’s crazy the extent they go to to justify their bad behavior. Anyway, I’m rambling, I apologize. I have no one to ask about this…a part of me is really ashamed of what I’ve done, and another part of me is really proud. I’m trying to take back my power, my dignity, my life, and move on, but a huge part of me feels like I can’t move on until I get some indication of remorse, or acknowledgment of wrong-doing. I know logically that isn’t going to happen, and that’s where I’m stuck.
Okay, so here’s what I did…and I warned him repeatedly I was going to expose him if he didn’t start demonstrating some behaviors that indicated he had really changed and he was really sorry. I gave him specific behaviors to perform, little things, things that should be so simple; unhide your friends on Facebook, your contacts on LinkedIn, dump the girls off your google+ profile, throw away phone numbers, stuff like that. I wasn’t asking him to do anything difficult, just be transparent. It was like pulling teeth and he finally blew up, turned it around on me, so I feel like he forced my hand, and I had no choice.
He has an online resume, and I own several websites, some of which he is showcasing on his resume as his own designs. They aren’t. I bought those websites to try to help him when he was unemployed. I shareda $700 monetization program with him and showed him how to place ads, etc, and he was supposed to be my partner and help build these sites. I ended up doing most of the work, because unbeknownst to me, he was secretly buying another website to impress a woman he met on Match. Sick. I just figured that out a couple of weeks ago, after doing some sleuthing, and after some of his confessions. He didn’t confess THAT, but I’m pretty smart, I figured it out. So anyway, MY websites are still linked to his resume. I happen to know he can’t get back into the site where he built his website, I’m not sure if he can’t remember which of the two dozen email addresses he used to log in, or he can’t remember the password, or he simply can’t do it on his own.
Well, I decided to mete out a little justice, and I rebuilt the websites he has linked on his resume. LEt’s just say, he’s going to blow a gasket when he sees it. I talked to another friend, a mutual friend, and he said he thought i was just being spiteful and vindictive. Maybe I am. I know that’s not my nature, and it doesn’t feel great to feel that way, but at the same time, I actually feel like these guys get away with this all the time, and there are never consequences for them. I feel what he did to me was criminal, and yet I have no recourse. Except the websites. And everything I posted, I have proof of, I was very careful about that. I want to upload his voicemails begging me to come back to him, and his emails and texts asking me to marry him, etc. The reason I want to do it is because I know darn well he is targeting other women currently, and I want to expose him for the lying cheat that he is.
See, that’s vindictive, right? Geez, I’m so torn. Part of it feels really healing and liberating, and like I finally have my power back. And then part of me is still attached to the illusionist guy I fell in love with, and I don’t want to hurt him.
I don’t know, what do you think? By the way, I took all the ads of the sites, it’s strictly show-and-tell time for my ex. I’d love some input from women who have been in my shoes as far as being in love with a psychopath or narc. What do you think?
I promise I’m legitimate, I need some input. Please. 🙁
Ah, I took it down. For now. I wrestle with not wanting to be in that negative space and wanting justice. *sigh*
Poetic justice – I see nothing wrong with telling the truth about him – as long as it doesn’t hurt you. The reason they continue is because they are not exposed.
Hi PJ. I totally understand how you feel. I filed for divorce from my spath in June after 22.5 years of marriage and three kids. I didn’t think my husband lied to me – boy was I wrong.
My advice to you – which comes from my therapist – is figure out who YOU are. It won’t be easy. Then so what YOU think is right for YOU and be happy and content with your choice.
Please continue to post. I’d love to write more now but I have to go…
This site is very helpful. I have lots of questions that I’d like advice on too so y’all will be hearing from me again.
V2 (I’m really a survivor not a victim!)
Thank you Quinn for sharing your experience. I have a 13-year old daughter and really struggle with balancing the peace keeping and showing her what is and isn’t acceptable behaviour from her father. She hates conflict so there are plenty of times where I bite my lip and let him get away with saying awful things in front of her just to keep the peace. My problem is further compounded by the fact that he is still living in the house whilst we go through the legal system. I wanted to ask you how you broached the subject with your sons? My ex like all Ps is very manipulative and I know puts emotional pressure on her to not share her feelings with me. Any advice would be much appreciated. Kind regards, Mav x
It is entirely possible that the ex-husband wrote those emails under his new wife’s email account. My ex would set up email accounts and pretend to be other people in order to find out information. I decided to always assume that the reason people in his circle hated me so much was because he probably made up “evidence” such as bogus emails of me “abusing” him. Many of his allies don’t want anything to do with me because of his manipulation and lies. I don’t take it personally anymore, although a few people that support him know who the true abuser it, but I think they have stockholm syndrome. I’m happy to say I have been no contact for years. He lost all parental access to our child recently. The judge reviewed all the evidence and ruled without hesitation.
Hi Quinn,
My story mirrors yours in a number of ways! It took me five years and a long protracted legal process to divorce my ex. Even though he had told me that he hated being married to me and hated the house and dealing with the kids, (and he hated our two cats! Seriously?), and he was madly in love with one of his young employees apparently, he would not leave the marriage and move out.
(To give you a visual that works: I once had to have a molar extracted. It was planted so deeply into my gum that the oral surgeon had to take a hammer, shatter it, pull out the pieces, and she did need to wedge her foot under the chair so she wouldn’t lose her balance as she yanked the pieces of tooth out. Getting rid of my s’path husband was kind of like that…)
I tried to keep my children from the center of the storm and did not set them against their father, in spite of my own explosive feelings. I followed the strong suggestions of my therapist, our marriage counselor, and my divorce attorney, family and friends who warned me to keep my children away from the conflict – to not say angry things about their father in front of them. They warned that if I did this, I would hurt my children. So I didn’t, even though he constantly denigrated me when the kids were with him and Brunhilda. We hear this from all kinds of divorce “professionals”, and technically, it seems like the right choice – however, as you illustrate in your post, it can make the normal person who is dealing with a sociopath seem weak and passive.
Our divorce culture acts as if both husband and wife are equally at fault. The behavior of the rational non-sociopath partner who is trying to keep body and soul together gets clumped in with that of the irrational and vengeful sociopath. So many times I heard this comment from clueless advisors: (“Can’t you two just work it out?”) Unless somebody has dealt with a sociopath, they have no idea that to deal with one is walking a tightrope. You don’t want to appear vicious and vengeful,(don’t show them your cards, and/or you get stereotyped as an angry witch) yet, you don’t want to appear weak because they’ll chew you (and your children) up and spit you out if you let down your guard.
When my children would come home from their father’s (and his new wife’s) house, they would be upset and I’d hear stories of their father’s disturbing behavior, and how the new wife was a smiling bully. Trying not to make the situation worse, I learned to listen to my kids. It was incredibly difficult to listen and not comment or bad mouth their father. But looking back, I’m glad that I did learn to listen.(To keep from exploding myself, I shared these stories with my therapist, and with trusted friends out of my kids’ earshot) Listening is a powerful tool, and it did prevent me from further contaminating my children with my own anger and fear. They did find their own voices. As young adults now, they ended all contact with their father and his disturbed wife.
Like you, I too received poisonous emails from his wife, and my ex signed them also. Unlike you, I took a legal action, and the result was a Civil Court trial. (it’s rare for a Defamation case like this to make it to trial, but during the course of 3 years, these curdling emails did catch the attention of different judges as they were passed around to determine if my case had merit. It was decided by the Court that my case did have merit, and, I did get to read the emails to a jury of six people.) I felt I didn’t have a choice, as my ex and his wife had intensified their harassment of me, because I required that he pay child support as required by law.
Sometimes, when the time is right, and the situation calls for a swift action, we can deflect powerful aggression back onto the aggressors. I think that’s called jujitsu. I didn’t “win” my case, but they no longer harass me, or my children, and the peace is blissful. But in order to expose the s’path, we have to choose the right time, get brave, and move prudently but directly way out of our comfort zone.
Lovefraud has done so much to bring information about sociopaths to the surface of our society, but in many ways our culture is still ignorant. My heart goes out to women who are trying to protect their children and themselves as they extricate themselves from toxic marriages to male sociopaths, and who have to listen to the “play nicely” patter of clueless people. Stay centered! Remember to listen to your children: The relationship of trust that you are developing with your children just by your listening now, will have far-reaching healing effects for the future as they become their own people. Listen and then take an action to draw the line. Find a good advisor who understands what you are dealing with. Follow your intuition. You have to learn to become a kind of warrior, but maybe you needed to learn how to become a warrior. I know I did.
This comment “can’t you work things out” or “why don’t you just agree on things in the divorce” I hear all the time. A neighbor of mine mentioned the other day “if you just be nice and talk to him”. They do not understand what I am dealing with. They don’t know how vicious , destructive and manipulative a sociopath can be. I do not know this man I am divorcing. I was married to him for almost 20 years and he is like a complete stranger that wants to inflict more pain on me and my son. It was not enough that he lied, cheated, discarded us. Yes I have to be a warrior to stand up to him. He will not receive any kindness from me. He is a bad business partner now in a bad business deal, nothing more. I wish people would understand why there is no contact with him. They sometimes picture me as the “bad” vindictive person. So, now I don’t care anymore what they say. They should have lived my 20 years nightmare with him, then they would understand.