By | October 24, 2016

Donald Trump’s abusive behavior triggers PTSD – and so does Hillary Clinton’s


Presidential nominee Donald Trump went to Gettysburg, Pennsylvania, on Saturday, the site of one of the bloodiest battles of America’s Civil War, supposedly to outline his plans for his first 100 days in office. But first, he said he’d sue the women who accused him of groping or kissing them without their consent.

Typical abusive behavior

Trump denied and threatened. That’s the typical behavior of an abuser and it’s triggering symptoms of PTSD in women who have endured sexual assault and/or relationships with sociopaths.

A Lovefraud reader wrote:

I wanted to bring up something that has been happening and it’s alarming.  While Trump has been campaigning for president, it has caused flashbacks and triggered memories of my experiences with the sociopath.

I asked this reader about her symptoms. She explained:

I know it’s a sensitive topic because some people feel very strongly about this candidate.  I however can see him for exactly the monster he is since I was married to one of these horror shows.

When I read or see stories about him my heart races, I feel sick and it throws me back to the abuse I was subjected to by the sociopath I married.  I find myself full of rage as I watch him swindle unsuspecting people.  It seems like I’m watching a metaphor of what happened to me through his swindling of my fellow Americans.  It’s so disturbing and frightening. I tried finding a therapist here in (another country) that had experience with victims of sociopaths, because after all the research I have done I feel it’s extremely important they understand in detail what happens to a victim.  No one here has that experience and speaks English so I’m just trying to deal with the negative feelings on my own.

Perhaps I have to feel these horrible feelings to come out better in the end? Should I avoid watching him at all?

I can’t imagine going thru a Trump presidency – he is one of the reasons I wanted to leave the country.  I can’t handle it.

More women report symptoms

Multiple other women who have endured sexual assault have reported PTSD flashbacks because of Donald Trump.

Huffington Post listed Trump behaviors that are typical of abusers: Controlling, evading responsibility, blaming, denial, gaslighting all while presenting himself to be the victim.

Trump is triggering domestic violence survivors with textbook abusive behavior, on

One author described how watching Trump causes her body to re-experience parts of the sexual assault that she endured six years ago.

Dear Melania, your husband’s ‘boy talk’ triggered my sexual assault PTSD, on


A Lovefraud reader who commented below reports that her PTSD was triggered by Hillary Clinton. Women can also have personality disorders, and Hillary Clinton likely does.

Relief from symptoms

So what should survivors do?

One approach that some women have taken is to totally disconnect from media no television, no Internet, no social media. Avoiding triggers is certainly a reasonable thing to do.

Another option may be to use Emotional Freedom Technique (EFT) also known as “tapping” to break the connection between the triggers and your physiological response.

Research with combat veterans and other trauma survivors has shown that EFT tapping is effective in relieving the symptoms of PTSD. It does this by breaking the connection between your memory and your fight, flight or freeze response. You can learn the technique on your own, or you can find a practitioner to help you. Here’s a good source of information:

Energy Psychology

About Trump’s lawsuit

Eleven women have come forward (so far) with claims of Trump’s sexual misconduct. Abusers typically threaten retaliation, but in this case, despite all his money and resources, Trump may have no chance of winning.

Why? Because he’s a public figure, and he faces the burden of proving that the women’s claims are false. Since video has surfaced of him bragging about being able to grab women whenever he wants, it will be difficult for him to make his case.

Donald Trump says he will sue sexual misconduct accusers. Law experts have doubts, on

The nightmare election

This whole election is a nightmare. Back in August, when I wrote about the narcissistic and psychopathic traits exhibited by Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton, I was depressed.

Donald Trump, Hillary (and Bill) Clinton narcissists with psychopathic features, on

The campaign has gotten worse, and now I am truly despondent. Donald Trump is disordered, but so is Hillary Clinton. Her lies and power plays would disqualify her for the presidency in the minds of many voters— if her opponent were anyone other than Donald Trump.

What to do? I will probably vote for a third-party candidate.

The men on the Libertarian ticket, Gary Johnson and Bill Weld, are drawing a decent amount of support among several demographics, including young voters and the military.

Johnson Weld 2016

Jill Stein of the Green Party is popular among many environmentalists and is trying to attract the people who once supported Bernie Sanders.


And then there’s Evan McMullin, an independent candidate who is on the ballot in only 11 states, but is doing well in Utah.

Evan McMullin

I’d like to see more options in American politics. If a result of this nightmare election is to blow up the stranglehold of the Democrats and Republicans who gave us these two unsuitable and pathetic candidates, that would be good.

To all Lovefraud readers who are American citizens, please vote. If you can’t stomach either Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton, vote for someone else.

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Hello Donna, I am a long time reader of your great website. Thank you so much for what you doing!!! You are saving a lot of peoples lifes! I wanted to comment many times but have not done so. “Unfortunately”, today I will start my first comment on this difficult topic you brought up in terms of the election in your country.
I think you are right in so many aspects about Trump having some (probably a lot of) traits of a Narcissist.
Otherwise, while I am watching the developments in the US closely, I have come through so many “topics” about the Clintons: All the rape cases (Paula Jones and Others) of Bill Clinton and Hillary covering it up, as well as the “Email-Scandal”, as well as her supporting the terrorist forces that are now killing thousands and thousands of christian and jesidian women in the middle east who are sold as sexslaves to rich saudi arabic countries. Hillary Clinton would probably start a WW3, she is “so into” the plans of the Elites she has been serving for a long long time.
I understand that you don´t want to vote for anyone- but- isn´t it for sure that someone of the both will be president, finally?

So I ask your readers politely to think about voting for Trump! He might have many traits of a narcissist, but he is not a rapist! And he is not liked by the Media here in Germany- for a reason! The people in power don´t want him there… And this is a significant sign he might be up to something better for your country and will at least try it!
If you don´t want for Trump, Hillary will get into Office. And I am VERY AFRAID FOR ALL OF OUR FUTURE, if this happens. I would not have come into your way with my “opinion”, if I wouldn´t be so concerned for you people in the US as well as us people here in Germany.
Thank you for listening and letting my opinion be heard.


NinaSunshine- I wish the best for the people of Germany and all of Europe. Both candidates are flawed but I think Trump is less flawed and will probably vote for him.


We can only say for certainty that Hillary is not a rapist. But Trump was, in fact, accused of rape by his first wife, in a very plausible tale of horror. And his ONLY defense was “It’s not rape when it’s your wife.” Not only was that his position, but his attorney recently reiterated that same position, and Trump did absolutely nothing to refute that statement.

So even if you don’t believe that he raped Ivanna, and keep in mind, she was given a very generous settlement to shut her up, you must believe that Trump thinks it’s perfectly okay for a husband to force sex on the mother of his children and the woman he has vowed to love, honor and respect. This man is a sexual predator.

He was sent to military school because he could not be educated in a normal environment. He attacked a teacher. He is impulsive. He has not grown out of it. He can’t keep his rotten mouth shut. He will offend our allies. He stiffs vendors and he will bring his 20 cents on a dollar mentality to our national debt. Doing so will undermine the credit of the United States and create financial chaos throughout the world…. which will result in World War III.


You can say Hillary is not a rapist, but you can not say she is not involved in the victims being victimized by HER.

You post empathetic excuses for Hillary and make assumptions about feelings she herself does not claim to have. Normally I would also feel empathy for a woman with an unfaithful spouse, but Hillary’s response has been to treat the women crying rape as if they were pursuing Bill Clinton instead of victimized by him. It is Hillary who smeared these VICTIMS and turned their lives into hell.

Please, as someone aware of sociopaths, note that nearly all we really know about public figures is what the media tells us and all the media tells us is what they want us to know. The media got Donald nominated by pursuing stories against his competitors while giving him free positive press. The media is PRO Hillary, she fit their agenda, she is their party candidate. 93% of news journalists are from the Democratic Party.

I am NOT saying Donald is without his own warts. But nearly everything that I read you list about him comes from the NEWS media, which has NO credibility b/c they no longer act as journalists holding public officials accountable but instead are sycophants to their own political party candidates.

I tell you that the news media misrepresents Donald Trump by LYING about his motivations (SMEAR tactics, attributing meaning that is a LIE) and they withhold pieces of certain stories about Hillary that would change everything (parsing so truthful facts appear vague… depends on the meaning of “is”.) This is the SAME strategy the news media used to get Donald nominated for the Republican candidate.

This election is MUCH bigger than Trump vs Hillary, it is about who controls the United States of America, and whoever controls their figurehead proxy, (Hillary) will control US.

Donald has been neutered. He will never play footsie and free with another woman ever again. He will be scrutinized the rest of his life. That light will shine on his FOREVER.

Not so with Hillary who is NEVER held accountable.

I’d rather elect someone who is scrutinized with a fine tooth comb that one who is NEVER held accountable.

Psychopaths can’t be “neutered.” And you assume that everyone’s information is derived from the media.


I did not assume everyone’s information is derived from the media, I did write that what YOU wrote was straight from the media.

and my correction, he is neutralized, not neutered. My apology for failing to use the correct distinction. Trump has a spotlight on his behavior towards women for the rest of his life.

NWHSofM- You’ve incorrectly assumed that my information comes from the media. And, psychopaths cannot be “neutralized.”


JM- Short I don´t see what your response has to do with the above said!?

Besides- I don´t see that NWHSoM assumes that everyone´s informaition is derived from “the media” ..WHAT “Media”, by the way?

You claim that Donald Trump is a Psychopath- where did you get this information from? He maybe is a narcissist, probably he has a lot of features of a real leader – as you should know, the outside traits between a narcissist and a high achiever are very similar!

I see a lot of “facts” from you- without any proof!


NinaSunshine, I’m glad that you posted your first post :-), hopefully you will post more as your comment is very thought out & researched in the understanding of what is going on in our country political process and how it parallels what is happening in Europe right now.

Two weeks ago Hillary stated that her “favorite World leader” was “Merkel”!!

Not sure how you feel about Merkel but from what I have read in the European press she is the most hated woman in all of Europe.

I think many people have over looked a sociopath (maybe Psychopath) named George Soros who has manipulated many elections world wide including our US Presidential election this year and Soros is part of the Elitist group who want open borders & chaos and is backing Hillary while feeding propaganda to brain wash our citizens. He literally has paid protester to go out and protest Trump’s rallies! But the press will not expose this to our citizens!!

If you notice what is happening in Europe, is also happening in the US! These Elitist have high jacked all of our governments for their financial gain & control over citizens. Sociopath domination on a world wide scale…SO SO SCARY!!


Bilderberg Group

Skull & Bones secret society

(there are documentaries on both on you tube) These are the Elitist that are destroying all of our way of life for their financial gain. We are all moving into the European Union communist government just like Europe has!!

Watch the free documentary on you tube called “Brexit the movie” to see that the EU government is a communist dictatorship aka One World government aka New World order. The EU government does NOT have elections for their leaders…nope they are selected within the organization and they do not allow EU citizens to have a say in your regulations or new laws, instead EU citizens are told what to do. Just like Cuba, North Korea or any other communist dictatorship.

The EU communist government (Elitist) are conquering land without guns, an army or tanks. Instead then have fiquresd out they just have to open all the borders just erasing all the borders running illegals across them blending all of the countries together!!

And Americans have zero clue of this because our media is all propaganda!!

What is shocking after leaving my ex h who was a sociopath, educating myself, is now I see that our government is doing the SAME EXACT manipulation, lies, double life behavior, gas lighting abuse etc that my ex did to me!!

Glad you posted!! Take care.


Great post- and you’re so right about the media NEVER exposing Soros and the Bilderberg Group- besides, most people are too busy watching reality tv, and playing Pokémon, – and just don’t care. Soros is an evil man and IMO the biggest narcissist of all – Imagine the mind of a man like Soros? He’s not satisfied manipulating 1 or 2 unsuspecting victims- but an entire nation! Now that to me is more frightening than a man who perhaps has a slightly inflated ego- due to his success as a businessman and all that wealth can bring (Trump). In my opinion, H R Clinton is power hungry -and stops at nothing to achieve her agenda. The end always justifies the means- is a motto that the corrupt live by and that’s dangerous for our country as far as I’m concerned. God help us all!


Yep, the Federal Reserve makes money off of us/US

Dear Donna,

I have been quite fortunate as to have been in intensive therapy for the past 15 months, with a therapist who seems to understand the pain and trauma ancillary to antisocial personality disorder survivors.

It is terribly disconcerting to find a person who so clearly suffers from narcissistic personality disorder on TV every day. Donald Trump reminds me very much of my father, and more recently, my sociopath, and my PTSD has most certainly been triggered, however, I have experienced great joy in the fact that this most horrific treatment of kind, compassionate and empathetic people has been brought to the forefront. Donald Trump’s narcissistic personality has been exposed.

In my healing process, I have come to learn that exposing these monsters for the soulless victimizers they are is the greatest weapon we have against them. For reasons I am unaware of, most people are unfamiliar with the behavior and existence of these creatures, and for those of us abused by them, before it’s too late. It seems, throughout this campaign, no one is allowed to call Trump what he is; the talking heads talk about the behavior, but seem to be bound from stating that the behavior stems specifically from narcissistic personality disorder. I know we cannot diagnose people from afar, but I also believe people with this antisocial personality should come with a warning.

I feel I’ve come full circle, now; understanding that I loved my sociopath the way I loved my father. I held onto hope for three years with the boyfriend and fifty with my father, that if I just loved them a little bit more, I would win the golden ticket…love. I was conditioned that way by a man like Donald Trump, but I know now, it was not me, and all the love in the world will never fix the boyfriend or the father. Trump’s spotlight has actually helped me see that more clearly.



I think it is important to point out the fact that the last “victim” that Gloria held a press conference with just last week is a porn star who literally conned Gloria Allred in to hold a National press conference!!!

Why is it important to point out that she is a porn star?

Because this “vicim” had a large neckless on her neck that stated “Wicked” and according to news sites the Wicked site was launched just the DAY BEFORE the press conference by this ’victim” to peddle her own products what ever they are (I did not look at her site).

YES…this woman is NOT a credible witness NOR a victim.

She literally scammed Gloria Allred, who held this press conference to influence this election and it was a total scam!!!

You can bet your bottom dollar that Trump will sue Gloria Allred because this victim who may even be a narcissist, IS a opportunist and used this time of our Presidential race to get foot traffic on her newly launched website.



I also think it is important to realize that ALL of these politicians both Republican & Democrat say what people are feeling at the time of an election and they manipulate people to swing votes in their party direction.

Like your ex sociopath these politicians have a hidden agenda!!


Their agenda is to make money for themselves, for their friends, for other Congressmen or Senators who help pass their legislature but most importantly make money for their financial race backers.

For instance Obama was backed by the health care industry…look this tidbit up! And guess what was passed Obamacare!! And George W Bush was backed by the Oil industry hence our gas skyrocket when Obama took office to manipulate citizens from seeing the truth. YES, this is how our government works…

“you get me a job with your money & I will pass bills to make you more money”!! “All scratch your back, you scratch my back”

Remember also that a LARGE number of narcissist, sociopaths & psychopaths gravitate to DC and into Congress, Senate, Lobbyist, Oval Office etc!!

What is their ultimate goal? Just like yours to have POWER, CONTROL AND CON PEOPLE FOR MONEY!!

I still believe that Bill Clinton is a psychopath & Hillary is a sociopath!

I dont care how you vote, that is up to you but before you do watch these documentaries to see what Bill & Hillary have been up to with their hidden agenda for 40 years…YOU WILL BE SHOCKED just like when you left your ex and started to unravel all his lies, double live, and his hidden agenda!! Start unraveling everything the clinton have done…including taking White House furniture when they moved out, it took years to get this furniture back from them!!


1) Clinton Cash everything is for sale (you tube)

2) Clinton Chronicles (you tube)

Our governments from local, to state to federal are ALL CORRUPT!!

This is what everyone should learn this Presidential race!!


Interesting. Hilary has been triggering PTSD in me. For over 20 years my husband’s ex-wife litigated against us and used every form of abuse against us. It was financially ruinous. She was wealthy and loaded with lawyers. She had been a paralegal and like Hilary she firmly repeated lies over and over in a thug powerful way and was taken in by a judge with a man hating agenda. She screamed and terrorized us and our staff, not to mention his young daughter. She was so unpredictable, you never knew when she was going to stalk, call your friends and harass, scream at public places at the top of her lungs (she enjoyed it). I truly feel Hilary is a narcissist if not a sociopath. I think the frightening Chelsea is too and Bill too.

Trump helped open my voice and give me courage after this long term trauma. Further I worked for an abusive woman boss in a time when I was not in a position to quit work. Later I worked for two different men who were abusive. I learned how to speak up to the men but the women had a particular vindictiveness that was terrifying. Even to this day I wonder what might happen the rest of my life. Donald Trump has given many of us who did not have a voice the courage to stand with him as he takes on the bullies. Average americans are suffering and Hilary is lecturing all of us. Obama is lecturing all of us. Trump is listening and then charging forward. I would suggest for healing that you consider that Trump might be your defender and Hilary might be your sociopathic enemy. If I had to leave my nieces with either Trump or Bill Clinton I would be terrified to leave them with Bill Clinton. Now he is known as a serial adulterer and is accused way more than Trump of sexually assaulting women. God bless. I’m sorry any of us are suffering with PTSD. I’m quite frightened of the assault on all of us if Hilary is elected.


I have disconnected from social media and news, and have been focusing on more important aspects in my personal life. Several months ago, I have done personality assessments on all of the candidates. I was shocked, yet not, as research has shown that politicians rank high as being personality disordered. My conclusion at this time is that I know the majority of the population are apaths. Good people, yet will side with individuals that fit their own perceptions and belief systems. What is one of the rules when you have suffered sociopathic abuse and you know someone else has been charmed and manipulated?…You can’t tell them. They have to figure it out on their own. It is my belief, and to some degree, my relief, that those of us who have experienced sociopathic abuse, will have an entire nation of people who will finally “get it.” As sad and cold as that may sound, it’s going to be a reality. We cannot predict the future, but we know that past behavior predicts future behavior. Thank you, Donna for providing a healing place for those who have suffered at the hands of the disordered.


Regardless of the political leanings, I’m really grateful for this article and the comments…Its nice to know I’m not the only one seeing my own personal experiences reflected in the broader stage of this election and society in general.

It has been my experience that the “path” in my life used two main avenues to manipulate me: 1)Playing on my fears and insecurities 2) Playing on my heartstrings. To me, Trump is the epitome of #1 and Clinton is a walking example of #2.

I’m going 3rd party myself, and I’ve given up the process of banging my head against the wall trying to get my diverse group of friends to see what I see. Instead, I’ve decided to focus on the fact that all of the voters I know, formed the allegiance that they have because they all want to do the right thing. Their choices help me see what motivates them more and that helps me be a better friend and communicator. Maybe I will get through to some of them, maybe I won’t. But I’m no longer afraid of the outcome of the election. I know that I have good people as friends now (I’ve weeded the rest out)…and we are flexible and creative and we’ll figure it out as we go no matter what happens.

Peace & Love to all…

PS (I highly recommend, in addition to this blog and related books, David Richo’s books “How to be an Adult in…) Very helpful in understanding my own brain wiring and how I became such an attractive target to a psychopath–so I won’t ever be one again!)


I have been around for several years now, and was quite surprised when this topic ended up on this site. I don’t want to get into lengthy political discussion, but I want to add a thought… Food for thought actually. We have to remember that narcissism and sociopathy are very different creatures… One may be born from the other, but to be a true sociopath… Hillary was not a victim in her marriage, it was a power merger from the beginning and she thought he was stupid sex craved slick Willy. It didn’t phase her, nor stop her pursuit of higher goals. I was married to one narcissist and one sociopath… Hillary is much like the sociopath ex of mine and (except she is female) and trump is much like if not exactly like my narcissist ex. There are glimpses of emotional concern with a narcissist, they are absent in a sociopath. I think it would be difficult to be married to either of the candidates, but I would prefer trump over Hillary as a spouse… Let alone leader of the country. I got the chills watching Hillary strut around like a peacock during the debates… She even ruffled her feathers when she saw her instigation was successful in the second debate. Just food for thought…


I think this a very important differentiation! And I think it is true!

All sociopaths are narcissists but not all narcissists are sociopaths. Being narcissistic is not a disorder. Having Narcissistic Personality Disorder is a disorder. In fact, we all start out in life as complete narcissists, so says Freud.

Everyone has a certain level of self esteem. We couldn’t get through life without it. But not all of us throw others under the bus and trample their rights in order to prevail. Seems both Hillary and Trump are pretty good at that behavior. But here’s the difference…..

Trump will appoint judges who will set aside Roe vs. Wade. Simply put, that means that abortion will go back to the kitchen tables and unsanitary backrooms where it was prior to its passage. The government will control your reproductive rights, instead of you.

Trump will, (he actually said so) attempt to renegotiate this country’s debt. He has declared bankruptcy 4 times. He believes that’s “smart” business. And he feels that running a country should be akin to running a business. It’s not.

Running a country is all about profit. Running a country is all about people and the greater good. He has zero attachment to the best interests of people. Hillary has a documented track record of introducing and passing legislation that benefits children, families and veterans.

Trump manipulates his way through life. He stiffs his creditors who have families to feed, house and educate. And he pays off cents on the dollar. Doing so with the US deficit will lower the credit rating of the US. The end result is that the Social Security System will collapse because it is secured through US Treasury Bills and he will create an economic disaster (similar to his own- which was so bad that he hasn’t had to pay taxes for years because of his losses) that will be universal and worse than the great depression.


Donna, I am so extremely disappointed in you. You write this article about Trump, but you completely left out the lady who has made a whole career of lying and crooked deals. She’s so crooked that she owns the mainstream media! You ever want to write about a classic (and obvious!) sociopath go study that lady, and look at what she has been able to get away with–all while laughing her inappropriate laugh. Your credibility with me is not the same. 🙁


BrokenEmber – Hilary was not excluded.


She barely talked about her at all! What about her getting a child rapist off and laughing about it! You can find that recording online and listen to it. Or all the woman who have accused Bill Clinton of rape, and said that Hillary threatened and harassed them? What about the money she takes from countries who routinely abuse woman and gay people? What about the whole primary election that was rigged (and it was proven!) What about her lying repeatedly, and continuing to lie about the FBI investigation into her e-mails? There is A LOT to write about her.


I agree with BrokenEmber.. I just think so many are being manipulated by the media it has been proven she pays off and controls using foreign donations in the hundreds of millions into her Clinton Foundation (from places like Saudi Arabia) into a demonization of Trump, which consists of a barrage of accusations without any proof or substantiation – to distract from all her and her husbands ACTUAL very serious crimes which includes actual treason.. it’s scary.


Heck, look at the recent debate when Trump talked about gay people being thrown off buildings–she laughed her inappropriate laugh before she caught herself! There is something seriously wrong with that woman.


This is a very important article. This election has been triggering me in all sorts of ways. I become upset when people don’t want to acknowledge or can’t see the malignant narcissism of these candidates, especially those who support Trump. There is a certain “relationship expert” on fb who has been defending Trump and calling women who are upset by his misogyny weak and victimy. This woman actually charges women lots of money for her advice. In my opinion, this “love expert” is very dangerous because she has no understanding of psychological disorders and her cookie cutter approach to relationships can hurt women by suggesting they tolerate the abuse of disordered men.
I wish women could see how many so called “relationship experts” are in fact con artists. They see a vulnerability in women desiring love in their lives and then exploit that!
I am inclined to believe this woman and others like her are narcissist themselves.


Thank you Donna for finally posting this. it appears there is a psycho/sociopath handbook for them. Right down to him declaring at one point he is a victim?! I am Canadian, follow the election because we are so closely tied and my PTSD has been so heightened from every newscast of Trump.

The problem I see is the amount of followers which is exactly what I have experienced from my ex. Falsities are put forth, verified, but followers still stand behind them?

Thank you my PTSD has gone through the roof with this election. I can’t even bare to think how I, let alone anyone else with PTSD is going to survive if he wins and gets more exposure.


I’m so glad you write this article about how HILLARYS sociopathic lying to the public triggers those with PTSD. Every time I see her speak her anger and tone triggers so many fear responses as she is a classic liar and manipulator. I see she also uses mind control techniques thr are finely honed over her long 30 year tenure where people who have been in contact with her end up dead, the Benghazi deaths and secret arms deals – then she has a speech telling us how bad Trump is, classic gas lighting. My sociopathic mother was just like her.. her anger in her eyes and that speech about her attacking the alt-right, the anger in her eyes and her YELLING at the camera like we are her children who don’t know the terifying murderer that she is..! After reading her emails via WikiLeaks, the symptoms get so much worse because it’s proven she is manipulating all of us using mainstream media which she pays off and actually gives thrm scripts of what to say when reporting – the news is controlled by her! She hires mentally ill people to start fights at Trump rallys and the media films it and then they are intestines by Hillary to report that it was Trump supporters attacking women and children ! If it weren’t for videos ppl took on their cell phones of the event, showing trump supporters being attacked by insane people they call ‘bird dogging’ in the Project Veritas videos, I too would be fooled into thinking Trump was evil – not the truth.. all I can do is vote against Hillary and pray she doesn’t get into the White House AGAIN.. she even stole items from the White House last time she was let in..!! We cannot let this criminal sociopath in there again.. Bill has had over 20 women come forward about raise and he paid them off.. why wouldn’t he sue them for fraud or defamation if it weren’t true?? These people scare me to death I can’t even watch them without beng triggered now..!!


JM_Short Sadly, you have not commented back on my response to your post in this thread, which already brought up some of the themes we are ”ždiscussing“.

Because I disagree very strongly with almost everything you bring up, I will, again, go into details.

First of All: I even disagree with your first statement- that we all start out in life as complete narcissists. Even though if ”žFraud says so“, it is not a universal law! Maybe you have heard of the famous switzer psychologist Carl G. Jung and his work, who by the way, was a close friend to Freud. He, from the beginning, disagreed with Freud in many aspects of his work. Not only did he go deep into the research of dreams but overall concluded, that there are in fact determinating parts of nature of humans- who lead to a certain character and personality. It has not been, not at all, for certain, been proved, that we all come to life ”žthe same“. As you probably know there is strong evidence, that Cluster B types of personality disorderes (which are also not at all completely understood) are sometimes (not always) connected to genetic endowments.

You say, with Trump, abortion will go ”žback to kitchen tables“, the government will control reproductive rights- what are you referring here to?
Is it maybe about the controversial debate of organisations like planned parenthood that have admittedly ”žkilled“ about 7 Million Babys nobody knows how many women died from this. Are you aware that babys ”žparts“ like liver and kidneys and stemcell tissue have been sold by companies, related to that organisation? I am very strongly fort he rights of women and children and this should be looked at closely.

Trump will ”žrenegotiate“ the countrys debt? I don´t know what other could be done with a country that has now 12 Billion Dollars in debt. The only way would be that the private federal reserve bank would ”žfree“ the people from the brutal slavery of debt and the flooding mass of money, that has made the danger of a hyperinflation or crash of the economy almost inevitable.
You bring up the fact that Trump has declared bankruptcy 4 times. Have you wondered, how many businesses he´s run succesfully? If someone runs 60 companies and fails with 4 of them, was he then successfull or unsuccesful? At least Trump is spending most of his own money on the election campaign, Hillary is funded by arabic countries and by who knows who.

Running a country is all about people and the greater good. That is right! Do you really think that Hillary Clinton is up to the ”žgreater good“? After all she has done (not said).

I heard that the Veterans are worse off than they have ever been in your country. They are diagnosed with PTSD after the Trauma they were put through in wars (who where strongly supported by Hillary Clintons weapons of mass destruction ”ždeals“ ) and then put on years of hold without help, having a veterans soldier aid that keeps them barely alive.
They are crawling in your streets. Poor and left there to die.

Why do have 2/3 of the people of your country not even a 1000 Dollars in spare- because they are so in debt? Why are people selling their bodies for food in the US- I read an very disturbing article about that? Don´t you think a time even worse than the ”žGreat Depression“ has already begun?

You cannot blame Trump for the 12 Billion in debt and how he wants to handle that! Nobody will be able to fix it! Finally it will collapse. Do you know what elites, kings and queens do to ”žtheir“ countries and ”žtheir“ people bevor they financially collapse?
Do you know what great societies like the Roman empire endured bevore they ”ždied“? They went to war!
Your economy is already sold out to China and will never come back! Europe is sinking in Chaos- the war has already begun!

If Hillary Clinton goes into election- I think a REAL BIG WAR WILL START SOON. And instead of Hillary´s last statement regarding the war on Lybia: “We came, he saw, he died” next time it will say: “We saw, it came, WE DIED”

May god bless America! And Europe!


I need to correct you on one major thing. The United States is not billion dollars in debt, we are almost $20 trillion in debt! Scary!


You are Right!

I am messing it always up it is different in german 1 trillion is 1 with 12! 0 it is: 1 000 000 000 000 – so it would be

20 000 000 000 000 ? – 20 Millions Times 20 Millions – It is not! imaginable I guess… 🙂


I am sorry- I have to correct myself again! it is a number with 13! 0. if BrokenEmber´s number is correct It should be 20 000 000 000 000.


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Donna, thank you!!!!!

Donald Trump scares me, and the thought of him becoming president is absolutely frightening to think.

Now as for Hillary Clinton, I see things in her that are very much like the sociopath that was in my life for 48 years.

Most people I know feel the same way about Donald Trump, but most people I know are supporters of Hillary Clinton. I have gotten to the point of just saying to people that “I’m not a supporter of Hillary Clinton, because of personal reasons that I can’t explain to you.”

Thank you, Donna, for allowing me a safe place to express myself and for showing me that I am not the only survivor and compassionate human being who is being triggered by these “classic” examples of predatory behavior in this horrific election campaign!!!!!


I am enjoying the information and the discussion being laid out here.. thank you, Donna & fellow sufferers..! God bless to all..


People who suffer from the abuse of a narcissist is real and I already unfollowed one page that chose to make it a political platform. With that said, I can say I see the opposite. The narcissist that harmed me doesn’t show true colors to everyone. He is very liked, charming, funny everything you wish to find in a person. However, there is a deep dark side that is buried in skilled emotional and mental abuse of the “charm” and lies. I associate that more with the history of Clinton, his accusers and the smear campaign that followed. Hillary calling them bimbos and more. I see the abuse with the one that laughed at the thought of failed lie detector test, the emotional disconnect as I hear the recording of her describe defending and pleading down a child rapist. then to know she slandered the child who was victimized and emotionally damaged her. No don’t say it’s her “job” no matter what your job is, the emotional disconnect is within the person. The minimizing of jeopardizing our national security with her illegal emails. “It was a mistake and will never happen again” words I have heard many, many times. The excuses, the story spinning. It’s all there. I don’t understand why that isn’t an article of its own?


YES!! Those with NPD (and sociopaths) that harmed me were very charming, very persuasive, very skilled in manipulation, power acquisition, control, and reputation destruction. They were tenacious to those ends. I see Hillary with the dozens of traits we’ve all studied in these dangerous evil people.

By the time anyone has been harmed by one of these it is easy to see it in Hillary.

I’m so grateful that others see this. I’m so grateful to this blog for uncovering what I was feeling.


To everyone that is upset with Donna….PLEASE PLEASE don’t be upset with her. Donna has been incredible about educating ALL of us that literally crawled out of hell away from our own sociopaths and now she has opened a extremely important dialogue that needs to be discussed, as sociopaths & narcissist are everywhere in this world manipulating us everyday!! Even in our governments from local to state to federal government.

I personally think this conversation is excellent.

Reading everyones comments leads me to think that this is a perfect example of how we have all been brain washed & manipulated by our politicians who are ALL disordered!! BOTH sides!!

We have psychopaths (Bill Clinton), Sociopath (Hillary) & a narcissist (Trump) running for office!!


Like Donna states a TRUE nightmare!!!

We have all lived in hell behind closed doors while our ex mate sociopaths spun their manipulation web to get everyone to believe their lying manipulative words to con people. To me these three Hillary, Bill & Trump are just doing it on a larger scale.

We have been forced by politicians to pick a “team” by their brain washing & manipulation. Are you on the “republican team” or “democratic team”?? But the reality is they are ALL on the same team and their ultimate goal is to get the “We the people” to just believe their lies while they continue to scam money into their own pocket while we work harder & harder to pay our increased taxes.

Well to me this is classic sociopath “triangulation”!! Pick a side. Aren’t sociopaths masterful with triangulation?

Also I see masterful “sociopath” smear campaign from Hillary, Bill & Trump.

Gas lighting!! YEP they are gas lighting people thru their speeches & the media too!!


Please stop thinking “I’m a republican” or “I’m a democrat”….how about “I am a educated free thinker & I see sociopathic manipulation in this political race”.

I stead of saying Trump is this or that & Hillary is this or that…lets all start posting specifics of what YOUR ex sociopaths did to you & how Hillary/Bill/Trump are doing the same to ALL of the America & World citizens.

Thank you Donna for opening this dialogue and for all that you do to give us a place to learn & speak freely of our own personal nightmares!!


I think it’s fair to say no one is upset at Donna, however given the facts, behavior, and history of the Clintons. This article just seems more biased writing once again. There are many people that file lawsuits or “threaten” lawsuits I don’t believe that makes them a narcissist. My ex did some horrible things to me and many have said I should file a lawsuit against him. I feel like Trump doesn’t have a “politician” filter and says things we are not used to hearing a politician say because he isn’t a polished politician, people take his words and run with it. Yet, look at the history of Bill who will be our first “first gentleman” who has a long history of inappropriate behavior with women and lied about it! Did we forget the impeachment process for it? Does anyone know about his close relationship with Jeffrey epstein and times traveled on the Lolita express? Look it up. Hillary who slandered these women, made them feel threatened, what about their PTSD. She chose a career where she defended and pleaded down a child rapist and slandered the 12year old victim of rape by a 40 year old man. The emails, etc. The enabling, the lying is right in front of all of our faces yet so many chose not to talk about it, that’s TRUE narcissism and manipulation. I cannot wrap my head around how anyone can ignore all this and want these 2 back in the White House. There was 2 sentences that was updated after a comment about Hillary that’s all.


Absolutely agree with you and NotWhatHeSaidOfMe – BRAVO and blessed to be in good company with well spoken & well informed – I wish in spite of my condition I could slow down my thoughts enough to convey my points as well as you both (and others) have in this forum.. God bless America & all the true patriots with a thirst for truth and what is just in this crazy world.. !! Take care..


Dear Lovefraud readers,

I am sad to say that this dialogue, and several of the people who are participating in it, is beyond abhorrent to me. I am no longer feeling I can participate in any kind of intelligent discourse with those of you who believe in such rubbish. I see that there are a few of you trying to talk with reason, but you are wasting your breath (sadly).

I honestly will not be visiting LF any longer as a result.

Thank you Donna for all your good works.

Catherine, AKA slimone

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