Presidential nominee Donald Trump went to Gettysburg, Pennsylvania, on Saturday, the site of one of the bloodiest battles of America’s Civil War, supposedly to outline his plans for his first 100 days in office. But first, he said he’d sue the women who accused him of groping or kissing them without their consent.
Typical abusive behavior
Trump denied and threatened. That’s the typical behavior of an abuser and it’s triggering symptoms of PTSD in women who have endured sexual assault and/or relationships with sociopaths.
A Lovefraud reader wrote:
I wanted to bring up something that has been happening and it’s alarming. While Trump has been campaigning for president, it has caused flashbacks and triggered memories of my experiences with the sociopath.
I asked this reader about her symptoms. She explained:
I know it’s a sensitive topic because some people feel very strongly about this candidate. I however can see him for exactly the monster he is since I was married to one of these horror shows.
When I read or see stories about him my heart races, I feel sick and it throws me back to the abuse I was subjected to by the sociopath I married. I find myself full of rage as I watch him swindle unsuspecting people. It seems like I’m watching a metaphor of what happened to me through his swindling of my fellow Americans. It’s so disturbing and frightening. I tried finding a therapist here in (another country) that had experience with victims of sociopaths, because after all the research I have done I feel it’s extremely important they understand in detail what happens to a victim. No one here has that experience and speaks English so I’m just trying to deal with the negative feelings on my own.
Perhaps I have to feel these horrible feelings to come out better in the end? Should I avoid watching him at all?
I can’t imagine going thru a Trump presidency – he is one of the reasons I wanted to leave the country. I can’t handle it.
More women report symptoms
Multiple other women who have endured sexual assault have reported PTSD flashbacks because of Donald Trump.
Huffington Post listed Trump behaviors that are typical of abusers: Controlling, evading responsibility, blaming, denial, gaslighting all while presenting himself to be the victim.
Trump is triggering domestic violence survivors with textbook abusive behavior, on HuffingtonPost.com.
One author described how watching Trump causes her body to re-experience parts of the sexual assault that she endured six years ago.
Dear Melania, your husband’s ‘boy talk’ triggered my sexual assault PTSD, on wbur.org.
UPDATE:
A Lovefraud reader who commented below reports that her PTSD was triggered by Hillary Clinton. Women can also have personality disorders, and Hillary Clinton likely does.
Relief from symptoms
So what should survivors do?
One approach that some women have taken is to totally disconnect from media no television, no Internet, no social media. Avoiding triggers is certainly a reasonable thing to do.
Another option may be to use Emotional Freedom Technique (EFT) also known as “tapping” to break the connection between the triggers and your physiological response.
Research with combat veterans and other trauma survivors has shown that EFT tapping is effective in relieving the symptoms of PTSD. It does this by breaking the connection between your memory and your fight, flight or freeze response. You can learn the technique on your own, or you can find a practitioner to help you. Here’s a good source of information:
About Trump’s lawsuit
Eleven women have come forward (so far) with claims of Trump’s sexual misconduct. Abusers typically threaten retaliation, but in this case, despite all his money and resources, Trump may have no chance of winning.
Why? Because he’s a public figure, and he faces the burden of proving that the women’s claims are false. Since video has surfaced of him bragging about being able to grab women whenever he wants, it will be difficult for him to make his case.
Donald Trump says he will sue sexual misconduct accusers. Law experts have doubts, on Time.com.
The nightmare election
This whole election is a nightmare. Back in August, when I wrote about the narcissistic and psychopathic traits exhibited by Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton, I was depressed.
Donald Trump, Hillary (and Bill) Clinton narcissists with psychopathic features, on Lovefraud.com.
The campaign has gotten worse, and now I am truly despondent. Donald Trump is disordered, but so is Hillary Clinton. Her lies and power plays would disqualify her for the presidency in the minds of many voters— if her opponent were anyone other than Donald Trump.
What to do? I will probably vote for a third-party candidate.
The men on the Libertarian ticket, Gary Johnson and Bill Weld, are drawing a decent amount of support among several demographics, including young voters and the military.
Jill Stein of the Green Party is popular among many environmentalists and is trying to attract the people who once supported Bernie Sanders.
And then there’s Evan McMullin, an independent candidate who is on the ballot in only 11 states, but is doing well in Utah.
I’d like to see more options in American politics. If a result of this nightmare election is to blow up the stranglehold of the Democrats and Republicans who gave us these two unsuitable and pathetic candidates, that would be good.
To all Lovefraud readers who are American citizens, please vote. If you can’t stomach either Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton, vote for someone else.
I almost left my husband for a narcissist
Hello Donna, I am a long time reader of your great website. Thank you so much for what you doing!!! You are saving a lot of peoples lifes! I wanted to comment many times but have not done so. “Unfortunately”, today I will start my first comment on this difficult topic you brought up in terms of the election in your country.
I think you are right in so many aspects about Trump having some (probably a lot of) traits of a Narcissist.
Otherwise, while I am watching the developments in the US closely, I have come through so many “topics” about the Clintons: All the rape cases (Paula Jones and Others) of Bill Clinton and Hillary covering it up, as well as the “Email-Scandal”, as well as her supporting the terrorist forces that are now killing thousands and thousands of christian and jesidian women in the middle east who are sold as sexslaves to rich saudi arabic countries. Hillary Clinton would probably start a WW3, she is “so into” the plans of the Elites she has been serving for a long long time.
I understand that you don´t want to vote for anyone- but- isn´t it for sure that someone of the both will be president, finally?
So I ask your readers politely to think about voting for Trump! He might have many traits of a narcissist, but he is not a rapist! And he is not liked by the Media here in Germany- for a reason! The people in power don´t want him there… And this is a significant sign he might be up to something better for your country and will at least try it!
If you don´t want for Trump, Hillary will get into Office. And I am VERY AFRAID FOR ALL OF OUR FUTURE, if this happens. I would not have come into your way with my “opinion”, if I wouldn´t be so concerned for you people in the US as well as us people here in Germany.
Thank you for listening and letting my opinion be heard.
NinaSunshine- I wish the best for the people of Germany and all of Europe. Both candidates are flawed but I think Trump is less flawed and will probably vote for him.
Nina-
We can only say for certainty that Hillary is not a rapist. But Trump was, in fact, accused of rape by his first wife, in a very plausible tale of horror. And his ONLY defense was “It’s not rape when it’s your wife.” Not only was that his position, but his attorney recently reiterated that same position, and Trump did absolutely nothing to refute that statement.
So even if you don’t believe that he raped Ivanna, and keep in mind, she was given a very generous settlement to shut her up, you must believe that Trump thinks it’s perfectly okay for a husband to force sex on the mother of his children and the woman he has vowed to love, honor and respect. This man is a sexual predator.
He was sent to military school because he could not be educated in a normal environment. He attacked a teacher. He is impulsive. He has not grown out of it. He can’t keep his rotten mouth shut. He will offend our allies. He stiffs vendors and he will bring his 20 cents on a dollar mentality to our national debt. Doing so will undermine the credit of the United States and create financial chaos throughout the world…. which will result in World War III.
jm_short
You can say Hillary is not a rapist, but you can not say she is not involved in the victims being victimized by HER.
You post empathetic excuses for Hillary and make assumptions about feelings she herself does not claim to have. Normally I would also feel empathy for a woman with an unfaithful spouse, but Hillary’s response has been to treat the women crying rape as if they were pursuing Bill Clinton instead of victimized by him. It is Hillary who smeared these VICTIMS and turned their lives into hell.
Please, as someone aware of sociopaths, note that nearly all we really know about public figures is what the media tells us and all the media tells us is what they want us to know. The media got Donald nominated by pursuing stories against his competitors while giving him free positive press. The media is PRO Hillary, she fit their agenda, she is their party candidate. 93% of news journalists are from the Democratic Party.
I am NOT saying Donald is without his own warts. But nearly everything that I read you list about him comes from the NEWS media, which has NO credibility b/c they no longer act as journalists holding public officials accountable but instead are sycophants to their own political party candidates.
I tell you that the news media misrepresents Donald Trump by LYING about his motivations (SMEAR tactics, attributing meaning that is a LIE) and they withhold pieces of certain stories about Hillary that would change everything (parsing so truthful facts appear vague… depends on the meaning of “is”.) This is the SAME strategy the news media used to get Donald nominated for the Republican candidate.
This election is MUCH bigger than Trump vs Hillary, it is about who controls the United States of America, and whoever controls their figurehead proxy, (Hillary) will control US.
Donald has been neutered. He will never play footsie and free with another woman ever again. He will be scrutinized the rest of his life. That light will shine on his FOREVER.
Not so with Hillary who is NEVER held accountable.
I’d rather elect someone who is scrutinized with a fine tooth comb that one who is NEVER held accountable.
Psychopaths can’t be “neutered.” And you assume that everyone’s information is derived from the media.
jm_short
I did not assume everyone’s information is derived from the media, I did write that what YOU wrote was straight from the media.
and my correction, he is neutralized, not neutered. My apology for failing to use the correct distinction. Trump has a spotlight on his behavior towards women for the rest of his life.
NWHSofM- You’ve incorrectly assumed that my information comes from the media. And, psychopaths cannot be “neutralized.”
JM- Short I don´t see what your response has to do with the above said!?
Besides- I don´t see that NWHSoM assumes that everyone´s informaition is derived from “the media” ..WHAT “Media”, by the way?
You claim that Donald Trump is a Psychopath- where did you get this information from? He maybe is a narcissist, probably he has a lot of features of a real leader – as you should know, the outside traits between a narcissist and a high achiever are very similar!
I see a lot of “facts” from you- without any proof!
NinaSunshine, I’m glad that you posted your first post :-), hopefully you will post more as your comment is very thought out & researched in the understanding of what is going on in our country political process and how it parallels what is happening in Europe right now.
Two weeks ago Hillary stated that her “favorite World leader” was “Merkel”!!
Not sure how you feel about Merkel but from what I have read in the European press she is the most hated woman in all of Europe.
I think many people have over looked a sociopath (maybe Psychopath) named George Soros who has manipulated many elections world wide including our US Presidential election this year and Soros is part of the Elitist group who want open borders & chaos and is backing Hillary while feeding propaganda to brain wash our citizens. He literally has paid protester to go out and protest Trump’s rallies! But the press will not expose this to our citizens!!
If you notice what is happening in Europe, is also happening in the US! These Elitist have high jacked all of our governments for their financial gain & control over citizens. Sociopath domination on a world wide scale…SO SO SCARY!!
Google:
Bilderberg Group
Skull & Bones secret society
(there are documentaries on both on you tube) These are the Elitist that are destroying all of our way of life for their financial gain. We are all moving into the European Union communist government just like Europe has!!
Watch the free documentary on you tube called “Brexit the movie” to see that the EU government is a communist dictatorship aka One World government aka New World order. The EU government does NOT have elections for their leaders…nope they are selected within the organization and they do not allow EU citizens to have a say in your regulations or new laws, instead EU citizens are told what to do. Just like Cuba, North Korea or any other communist dictatorship.
The EU communist government (Elitist) are conquering land without guns, an army or tanks. Instead then have fiquresd out they just have to open all the borders just erasing all the borders running illegals across them blending all of the countries together!!
And Americans have zero clue of this because our media is all propaganda!!
What is shocking after leaving my ex h who was a sociopath, educating myself, is now I see that our government is doing the SAME EXACT manipulation, lies, double life behavior, gas lighting abuse etc that my ex did to me!!
Glad you posted!! Take care.
Great post- and you’re so right about the media NEVER exposing Soros and the Bilderberg Group- besides, most people are too busy watching reality tv, and playing Pokémon, – and just don’t care. Soros is an evil man and IMO the biggest narcissist of all – Imagine the mind of a man like Soros? He’s not satisfied manipulating 1 or 2 unsuspecting victims- but an entire nation! Now that to me is more frightening than a man who perhaps has a slightly inflated ego- due to his success as a businessman and all that wealth can bring (Trump). In my opinion, H R Clinton is power hungry -and stops at nothing to achieve her agenda. The end always justifies the means- is a motto that the corrupt live by and that’s dangerous for our country as far as I’m concerned. God help us all!
Yep, the Federal Reserve makes money off of us/US
NinaSunshine – thank you for your comments. That’s why I am calling this a nightmare election – both major party candidates are disordered. To me, it seems that the basic difference is that we know what Hillary Clinton will do – push her agenda and line her pockets. We don’t know what Trump will do, and those who support him are hoping that it will be better than Clinton. The problem with someone who has Trump’s level of disorder is that they usually crash and burn, and take everyone and everything else down with them. I don’t want to see that happen to the United States of America.
There is an outside chance that candidates from one of the third parties will upset the entire election Gary Johnson seems to have the best chance of doing it. Maybe if everyone who is afraid of both Clinton and Trump voted for Johnson, neither major party candidate will get the necessary 270 electoral votes and the election will go to the House of Representatives, who may pick Johnson as a compromise candidate. At least that is what he is trying to accomplish. It’s a long shot, but it could work.
I truly understand your interest in seeing a third party candidate rise to the top. Unfortunately, history shows how unlikely that is; therefore, I have to respectfully disagree.
Anyone who’s been scammed by a sexual predator watches Trump and gets the heeby-jeebie… for good reason. We can see right through his grossly transparent sociopathy. We watch and relive the the abusive language and behavior we were subjected to in our pasts, and we know in our hearts that he, indeed, is a sexual predator.
Some will say his sexual behavior has nothing to do with how he’d govern. But that overlooks what is at the heart of his conduct…… no empathy and no conscience. Being a sexual predator is just one aspect of lack of morality. You don’t lack morality in one aspect of your life, but somehow have morality in another.
Then there are those who profusely dislike Hillary. So let’s all put ourselves in her shoes. This is a woman whose husband hideously betrayed her in the most public way imaginable. While we all suffered C-PTSD from what we privately endured, just imagine how badly affected by C-PTSD Hillary became.
Unfortunately, people often confuse the outward affects of C-PTSD with Narcissism. Victims become hyper-vigilant and hyper-responsive to perceived threats, brittle, and even irascible. But through the debates, Hillary has demonstrated that she is capable of keeping her composure, even under attack. As for defending her husband who seems to be a sex addict, we all know how blinded and loyal the chemistry of love makes us, and it is not at all unusual to see women stand by their men, even when society sees them as corrupt.
It is super important that Donald Trump not come near the White House. Having an impulsive sociopath with his thumb on the button that launches nuclear weapons can literally destroy the world. His hate mongering toward Muslims is similar to the attitude of Adolph Hitler toward the Jews. His practice of running businesses into bankruptcy and his stated intent to apply that technique to the debts of the US will create financial chaos that will make the great depression look like a hiccup. And he will appoint Supreme Court Justices that overthrow Roe vs. Wade because he thinks that the government, not women, should make determinations regarding their reproductive organs.
In a fairy tale universe, the dark horse wins. This is the real world. A third party candidate can destroy the advantage that Hillary might have in keeping Donald Trump out of the Presidency. The stakes are not worth that risk.
Hello Jm-Short
I can see that you are a true Hillary supporter. You may have your reasons. May I ask you some questions e.g. put some of your statements in perspective? I am refering here to your first post further above as well as your last post.
Maybe I can change even your mind a little bit or at least make you think again.
1. Can we really only say for certainty, that Hillary is not a rapist?
I will start with a claim that is in almost the same manner speculative as your statements about Trump and I hope, everyone will continue to read after this first point since it is not the most important: Anyways, there were ”žmore than strange“ ”žrumors“ going around even long bevore the nomination of Hillary, that she was regularily attending some occult (hidden) meetings in some french castles here in Europe where she ”žespecially had a lot of ”žgirlfriends“ with her! Whatever she did there besides having a good time with her girlfriends- May I remind you that, even though she is not a rapist in the ”žclassical“ way, there are a lot of lesbian women who mistreat their partners in a very cruel way.
I think this (although not confirmed) is even less speculative than to claim that Trump ”žraped“ his own wife. From your own experience with a lot of these ”žcases“ you know that the ”žgood“ women very often do nothing in terms of going to court concerning the real rapes of their husbands behind closed courtains. Otherwise, when a woman is left for a younger woman, it may be that she just brings up literally all she can to have a ”žgenerous“ settlement.
Have you heard, otherwise, that Bill Clinton regularily (not once) went on a plane to a certain island of a convicted child molester and a traitor of Children (Child Abuse). Do you know that there is footage of Bill Clinton raping a 12 or 13 year old on one of these ”žplanes“?
I don´t know, what weights harder, you decide!
2. Quote: ”žHe stiffs vendors and he will bring his 20 cents on a dollar mentality to our national debt Doing so will undermine the credit of the United States and create financial chaos throughout the world.“
My 2 cents on this: Not only did Hillary Clinton cover up all of the above said, just to maintain and further strenghten their personal position of power and wealth that Bill and her have ”žgained“ through the last 30 years. They have an estimated asset of (at least) a 100 Million Dollars! – which has been achieved not by hard work but rather plain fraud.
While they are very well off, did you know that, since Obama is in Office (with whom the Clintons are very good personal friends!) your National Debt has risen up to more than 12 BillionDollars ! The fiancial chaos will not be created, it is allready there!
Obama has not done anything to change the course oft the country and bring the ”žbankers“ who caused this, to justice. The YUAN- The chinese currency- is now officially part oft the world currencie s basket- the US Dollar is no longer in the position it used to be! Did your media tell you this? The industries oft he US and Europe are almost gone- Literally everything is produced by cheap workslaves in China. There are no jobs, no large producing Industrie in the US as well Europe anymore! The people are struggeling to stay alive!
Did you, by the way, know that more than 2/3 of the American People (no kidding) have not even a 1000! Dollars savings- they are literally draining in debt!
3. Quote: ”žDoing so (Trump) will undermine the credit of the United States ”. which will result in World War III.“
May I ask if you have seen the video with Hillary Clinton been interviewed regarding the invasion of Lybia, after they killed Gaddafi? ”žWe came, he saw, he died!“ she said, with a hysterical laughter which was not very human like. Hillary was Secretary oft he State, at that time. She is aktively involved in the ongoing wars, that have taken place since 2001 and still continue. Today, Libya, the nation, has degenerated into complete chaos.
Since you also bring up the ”žMuslim hating Trump“ thing:
Do you know, what is happening here in Europe right now BECAUSE (in the midst of other ”žfactors“) of he ”žFall of Lybia“, who used to be a rather developmented country in the Middle-East and protected us against all the incoming people from the African countries?
We are literally flooded with people from the third world. Nobody knows who is here! If I go to the mainstation of my city (a well of rather wealthy city here in Germany) I see almost no german people anymore. Not only from all over Europe, but from the farest african countries- they are EVERYWHERE! Since many oft them have obvioulsly no identity card and are not registered, you could be stabbed, robbed, raped and nothing happens- not to talk about helding liable for anything. They cannot even be identified. People who can afford to pay 10 tsd and more in ”žfees“ are to be illegally brought in. The rest come by ”žfoot“! And they are let! There are NO Boundaries, no borders anymore. Merkel supports this! Do you know, what it means to h believe in an mideaval religion that sees the woman as somethin WAY subordinated to men? These people get in (with 2 wifes and 24 children ”“ coming directly from Libya, Syria, Afganisthan and many other states) and are grantend free ”žincome“ (paid by the taxpayers of Germany) of 10.000 Euros a month! Bigamie is now officialy tolerated here! Childmarriage as well! In our ”žKindergarten“, it is discussed wheter Christmas songs offend the ”žother“ children, pork as a meal is banned in many places. Marriage Ceremonies are stormed by ”žAllahu Akbar“ shoutings. In some areas, germans are to asked to ”žintegrate“ ”“ we as germans have lesser rights than these people! And guess what- everyone who says something agains it, is called a ”žracist“, a ”žNazi“. What you are saying here is pure propaganda to shot the people up!
Trump being accused by the ex wife to have raped her (which I personally have not heard of) are nothing compared to what is ”žUsus“, is normal in Muslim Countries to happen with women! Please educate yourself how women are regularily sold by their fathers in marriages for sheep, are burned alive, how many commit suicide. Are you familiar with the ”žScharia Law“ that is now practiced here in Europe, since the police and the state apparatus are not able to handle these cases anymore? It is normal, that children are getting married to much older man. The women have literally NO RIGHTS, are raped, used and so much more afar from freedom that we can EVER IMAGINE.
Fazit: I can assure you: If Hillary (who has called recently Merkel ”žher favourite world leader“ as another reader in this thread stated), you will have a ”žhellhole“ with NO RIGHTS and Protection for the inheritant people just like we allready have here. We have no weapons to defeat us, rapist go out oft he courts laughing, there are celebrities cases where a german woman had to pay to her rapists a 20.000 Euro fine, who filmed the hourlong rape on camera and put it later on the internet, because she had ”žassumed“ she was put under so called ”žrapedrugs“ by them. The offenders (who FILMED it!) did get NOTHING! This is the reality nowadays! I could go on and on!
So again- If the development continues like this- there will be no ”žwhining“ about ”žLovefraud“, about lying, manipulating partners who watch to much cruel porn and suck out our soul, no complaining about narcissistic succesful ”žleaderTypes“ like Donald Trump, who leave their women for a younger. It will be the pure fight for survival, for our christian rights and for what is left oft he womens rights others have fought so hard for us in the past!
I beg you to please look into the whole topic again and not to be blindsided by the fact that Hillary Clinton is a Woman!
Greetings from Germany
NinaSunshine I am aware of Muslim Sharia law and how women are treated. I am horrified by Sharia law. Some Muslims want to bring this to the U.S. and I don’t want this to happen. Neither does Trump.
I’m assuming that facts are needed to support claims in Germany. Please correct me if I’m wrong.
Whether you believe Ivanna was raped by Trump or not, you must understand that this man’s policy, as stated clearly by the lawyer representing him, is “It’s not rape if it’s your wife.” That’s fact, not fiction.
Fact- he will appoint judges to overthrow Roe vs. Wade.How do we know? He said so.
Fact- he stiffs vendors, refusing to adhere to the agreements he makes and he specifically stated he will re-negotiate with the US’s creditors, a policy which will create the collapse of the dollar. Your concept of the relevance of the US dollar’s credit rating is faulty at best. Our entire social security system is supported by US Treasury Bills, as is all of our financing.
The US dollar’s credit rating may not be important to you in Germany, but it sure is important to US citizens!
I gave you, in my other posts- that you have not responded to, A LOT OF FACTS! You are, yourself, talking a lot about “Facts”- without proof.
What is very contradictory is for example, that you claim, Donald Trump “will DO so and so”- because “he said so” – while you are claiming- he is a psychopath-don´t we all know that “psychopaths” DON´T DO what they SAY?
Furthermore – IF you where into the “Facts”, you would understand, that the US dollars credit rating is very important to Germany since the US Dollar is (still) officially the World Leading currency- and also the Euro is somewhat “dependent” on it.
Obama, who is good friends with Hillary Clinton has shipped your industries to China- with the help of tax money of the American Citicens- has shot down the cole industries and many others in your country! Example: General Motors producing industries!
This and certainly is not “helpfull” for the US Treasury Bills!
Your debt is almost 20 Trillion now? Why is that???
It seems you have not understood the “financial system” as the whole concept that it is in a now globalized world !
I am sorry to tell you, but the US dollar´s credit rating is very important to germany and its citizens!
Joyce – If Hillary had divorced Bill Clinton, I might have been able to take her seriously. But she didn’t. That tells me that their relationship is not a marriage, but a power merger. She was willing to do anything, including tolerating his womanizing, to hang on to the power. So what is the message she’s sending – stay with your cheating abusive husband? As all of us have been involved with sociopaths know, that is a recipe for disaster.
Plus, whatever symptoms she may have as a result of being around Bill do not explain why she set up a private email server and lied about it. It also doesn’t explain all the money she and Bill have been making through selling her office through the Clinton Foundation.
Or if it does, that’s even scarier – it means she is still doing the bidding of Bill Clinton, who is also disordered. And we’re going to have him running around loose in the White House? What a nightmare.
Donna-
The Justice Dept looked at the issues with her mail server and did not indict her on a single count. I don’t think I can possibly know more about her behavior than they know by looking at the facts.
Hillary and I are about the same age. You’re considerably younger. We grew up in a world without an internet. We didn’t know or understand sex addiction. But we were brought up to believe that it was a responsibility to marry and be loyal to our husbands and our families.
I married a man who lied to me about everything. And I married him AFTER I learned the truth. The concept of a Betrayal Bond is not common knowledge, even today. But in a Betrayal Bond you become stuck like glue to the person who harms you.
Betrayal Bonds blind victims to the ugliness that stares them in the face. It’s likely why Reeva Steenkamp continued her relationship with Oscar Pistorious. It’s probably why Bill Cosby’s wife keeps hanging on.
Donald Trump goes on trial shortly for molesting a 13 year old. Ivanna accused him of rape and the best he and his attorney could come up with was “It’s not rape when it’s your wife.” I’m sure you look at that man and see the same callous psychopath that I see. And the thought of him being the President of the United States makes you sick to your stomach.
Had my husband’s psychiatrist not told me that he was a psychopath while I was pregnant with my son I would probably not have left him even though he was physically abusive. I left in order to protect my unborn child.
I doubt whether Bill Clinton has ever violently abused Hillary. Had he done so, it may have been the wake-up call that broke them apart. Hillary had no reason to concern herself that Bill would treat Chelsea in a violent way. He’s a sex addict, but not a wife beater. So she remained and is fiercely loyal to him…… she’s stuck in a Betrayal Bond.
Being stuck in a Betrayal Bond doesn’t mean she won’t make a better President than a psychopath. Hillary Clinton was the victim of one of the most public betrayals society has ever witnessed. Yet she has the courage to run for the office of President.
I can understand why people fault her for not condemning her husband. But I’ve been through a Betrayal Bond and know the hold it has on a person. Casting the only vote I have for a third party candidate that I know can’t possibly win, when it opens the door for a psychopath to step in, is not a chance I can take.
It is truly scary to me the amount of people not paying attention. =(
It’s also interesting to me how people loved Wikileaks when they revealed things about Bush, but people are now ignoring them when it comes to Clinton.
What is wrong with our country???
jm_short
I met Hillary in 1980. She is the SAME as she was then. You ASSUME she suffered C-PTSD but there is NOTHING that says she did. She showed a disordered moral character BEFORE marrying Bill Clinton. Your defense of Hillary sounds like what people said about the virtues of my ex husband, making excuses for him to abuse and defraud me. Hillary is NOT excused for her abuses to others. Abuse of others is NOT EVER excusable!
Furthermore to the rest of your post:
It’s ridiculous to assume that ONE person gets to decide to launch nuclear weapons based on their emotional state at that moment. ALL Presidents have impulsive natures, including Bill who hid under blankets in order to go have trysts with other women. Bill also has an explosive temper, as does Hillary. You blame Trump but excuse Hillary’s impulsiveness?
You need to learn history if you think that Hitler’s attitude towards the Jewish culture is equal to Trumps concerns about Muslims (plus the fact that his concern is about MILITANT Fundamentalists who openly declare war against the citizens of the USA, which is MUCH different than what Hitler did…) Trump also doesn’t run businesses into bankruptcy, he uses bankruptcy as a tool to restructure, AS DO ALL PROPERTY DEVELOPERS and FORTUNE 500 Industries.
Your post undermines your own credibility. Your logic has fallen off the radar.
NWHSofM-
Trump stiffs creditors with bankruptcy. They are real people. He didn’t just do so once. He makes a practice of it. Do you have any idea what happens to those creditors who don’t get paid because of his practice. And do you not know of the vendors who didn’t get paid what he committed to and didn’t take him to court because they simply could not afford to do so? Excusing his behavior as a “business practice” is insulting to hard working Americans.
I don’t need anyone to enlighten me about the holocaust or about the similarities between Hitler’s fundamental scapegoating and the similarity with Trump’s. Banning people from entering our country because of their religion flies in the face of every precept our country was founded upon.
Every woman should be deeply concerned about protecting their individual right to self determination over their reproductive organs. Abortion is a difficult choice for any family and any woman. Even if you would determine that not terminating a pregnancy is the right choice for you, government should not have a hand in that extremely private decision. His words that women should be punished for having an abortion, or his stated goal to fill the Supreme Court positions with judges that will overturn Roe Vs. Wade should make women all over our country shudder. That alone will cause me to vote for anyone who has the possibility to keep Trump from office.
jm_short
To trivialize the policies of Hitler by equalizing them with Trumps suggestion that immigration be halted is NOT a valid comparison.
READ what the Holocaust was about. There is NO comparison, NO equalization with anything that Trump says. You discredit and undermine your own argument when you fail to give credence to the evil perpetrated.
Trump is an A* and an eastcoast Thug, something that is so foreign to me. People from the east coast steamroll over those who aren’t used to that type of attitude. We (me and the people I know) just don’t operate with that kind of aggression. It’s why everyone understands the term “going jersey on” people. It’s where the reputation of New Yorkers comes from. It’s why property developers have a bad name. I am NOT defending such behavior, I am saying that Trump is the NORM, not the exception.
Neither the Dems Nor the Repub want Roe/Wade overturned. That’s a windmill argument.
But what is clear from all your posts is that you condemn Trump (using some rather silly arguments, such as how he will push the nuclear button) but give all kinds of excuses to the mindblowing assaults from Hillary, not just against the victims of Bill, but you excuse what she has done against the US people (sold us out for her personal financial/power gain) and the outcome of her decisions that affected MILLIONS in other nations (aka Arab Spring). Not ONCE have you held Hillary accountable for HER BEHAVIOR that has harmed MILLIONS of others.
Just apply same effort researching Hillary you will find your arguments look quite silly when you put both candidates side by side. You have an issue with sonething Trump said in private, or take issue with some of his decisions, fine. But we are comparing that with actual numerous crimes, the compromising of our military and national security – the willful destruction of evidence after receiving subpoena from the FBI, proven collusion with numerous monopolized media outlets and coordinating illegally with SuperPACs to use immoral attacks on her opponents.. Benghazi and arming/protecting ISIS.. it’s all quite ridiculous to try and say anything Trump has done or even been falsely accused of could possibly compare to the laundry list of actual proven crimes Hillary has committed. The fact that she has not been idicted for anything and actually running fir POTUS is evidence of how incredibly corrupt she and this political system is at this point – we need serious change and spine one not able to be blackmailed or bought if we have any interest in saving our country our democracy or our society as a whole. This system breeds and rewards sociopathic behavior and no longer even tries to hide it anymore…
WantMyLifeBack-
It’s interesting that you think the fact that Hillary was not charged or arrested somehow proves she’s a crook. Did you ever consider that she simply is not guilty of a crime, and that Trump’s accusations are gas lighting, unfounded attacks? But of course, Trump would never do a thing like that, would he?
NWHSofM-
Wow- Donn’a from Joisey, and I’m a New Yawka! I know lots of New Yawka’s and folks from Joisey….. They know Donald Trump, and they deplore him.
Trump will not win in either state because folks from Joisey and New Yawk don’t consider his brand of deplorable business practices the “norm.” BTW- Rudy Guiliani would never get re-elected here either…. something about a Mayor dragging his mistress into Gracie Mansion and ousting his two kids and his wife. Birds of a feather flock together.
But it’s obvious that you categorize and judge people by their location. That’s not a pretty picture. In fact in New Yawk, where I’m from, it’s called bigotry.
It’s easy to see why you don’t recognize bigotry when you see it, why you don’t recognize his edicts concerning Muslims are gross bigotry, and how that relates to the scapegoating of Nazi Germany.
And if you don’t think Trump will overturn Roe vs. Wade with the judges he appoints, you need to go back and read what he’s said.
jm_short
Oh please take a step back and think!
I live in the south. That people ALL over the world have images of stereotypes is not new and it’s not bigotry. New Yorkers have a reputation, as do Jersey Girls, and Southerners, and Californians, and San Francisco’s Tenderloin district of Peace and Love, and mid east farmers…. it goes on and on, and is, in fact, promoted by the people of those areas. My east coast friends talk about it all the time and go even further, b/c one is from Long Island and none of them mind the mild teasing from each other. It’s a point of pride. After 9/11, people remarked how New Yorkers set aside their tough callousness and reached out and took care of each other. It was so remarkable that it made the news. It’s not bigotry. It’s celebrated.
But yes, I do recognize bigotry, I am the survivor of attempted murder b/c I married a sociopath.
I do NOT Fail to recognize that Trump is a thug but neither do I fail to recognize that you are unable to condemn Hillary for her sociopathy. I met her and I SAW her in action in 1980. She’s a B with all caps.
As rude as Trump is, I do know that his problem is not with Muslims and he has stated so over and over. His problem is with Terrorists, specifically the ones who openly state their intention to harm the citizens of the USA…
Trumps opinion to suspend immigration from certain countries is NOTHING like what Hitler did to the Jews, gays, gypsies, handicapped, mentally ill, Catholics, etc…which Hitler had interred and murdered, Hitler and his Nazi regime prevented their undesirables from seeking a life elsewhere. You know very well that the USA has a history of suspending immigration from certain countries for a variety of reason, not the least of which is the concern for hostile actions against it’s citizens.
And you still say nothing to hold Hillary accountable. Hillary is NO victim, she is the perpetrator to achieve power, wealth, domination, control.
NWHSofM-
No one, including Hillary, wants to admit terrorists to the US. Pretending she does is ridiculous. Your concept is flawed. But banning people from this country based on their religion is contrary to the principles in our constitution.
Discrimination is the exclusion of anyone based on their age, sex, race religion, place of national origin or marital status. Discrimination is unlawful in the US.
The Constitution pertains to citizens, not people from other countries. It is the role of our government, first and foremost, to protect its citizens first. Also, I’m on my phone and getting ready for the day atm so I’ll have to research it later, but I’m pretty sure we’ve banned certain groups before.
This is quite interesting: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1182
“section 212(f) of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952.” It says, “Whenever the president finds that the entry of aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, the president may, by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or non-immigrant’s or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.”
If you use Google you will also see that many presidents have banned people from coming in temporarily, even Obama.
My other question would be…why now? Why refugees? Why have we not helped countless other countries who have people in need. I would really question the agenda of our government.
Have you been paying attention to what is going on in Europe? Especially France. I don’t want that here. I don’t want that for our children. If that means stopping people from coming in until we know they are people who will not harm us, I am all for it. As I said before. The number one job of government is to protect us. I don’t think anyone wants to permanently ban anyone, but I sure as heck want to know we aren’t letting ISIS waltz right into our country.
jm_short
You put words in my mouth and then ridicule me for what YOU wrote, NOT for what I said. What YOU accuse me of has NOTHING to do with what I even THINK either!!
Accusing me of “pretending…” is totally false and inappropriate.
What is wrong with you? This isn’t what you have been before.
I’ve never noticed you doing these behaviors: getting angry and defensive at people for words they NEVER written, NEVER thought, NEVER implied. Nitpicking and ridiculing over ONE WORD while ignoring the meaning of the message? People have a RIGHT to their opinion, no less and no more than any other person. They also deserve to be treated with dignity.
You are undermining your credibility, PLEASE! THINK about the harm you do yourself. People NEED you to behave with integrit. When you make untrue accusations, people notice and they become wary of your work.
Remember we are all sensitive to sociopaths, and the manipulations of sociopaths. ALL of US deserve to speak our opinions, but no one deserves to be smeared for that which we DID NOT SAY NOR THINK.
NWHSOM-
I’m sure you’ve heard the expression of the “Pot calling the kettle ‘black.'”
You and I are not going to agree on this issue so I see no point in continuing the conversation except to say that your bigoted remark about New Yorkers is way over the top.
Trump’s behavior is far from the norm for a New Yorker, in fact, I’d even go so far as to say that most New Yorkers despise him, and that’s why Hillary will carry this state. In fact, the residents in three of his Manhattan buildings want to take his name off their building. They’re embarrassed to live in a “Trump” building.
I’ll simply leave you with this little tidbit about the man you’d like to see as the next President of the United States…. http://thebea.st/2eO6dfK. If his own state won’t back him, what do you think it says about the man?
jm_short
Ah. Perhaps that is a wee piece of the puzzle. You think I want Trump as President. No. I don’t. I didn’t want him. He’s not my candidate. I NEVER said so and in fact, I voted Democrat in the last three Presidential elections.
But that doesn’t mean that I can’t see all the false smears and lies about him are sociopathic in nature. That I can’t see that the news media is complicit in driving voter’s opinions. That I can’t see the merit in facts argued by his supporters. That I can’t see the goodness and humanity in the faces of my dear friends who are his supporters.
The thing about what people say about Donald is there is NO NEED to LIE, to indulge in hyperbole, to smear his supporters, to condemn his own children for supporting their dad! Donald Trump is NOT a politician, he isn’t smooth, he doesn’t have fixers, he is used to steamrolling to get his way (might and mouth make right). But he is also passionate about his causes, and he has tapped into what middle America has been suffering from, the disenfranchised of those who work hard and pay taxes and RARELY complain. Only… that strong but silent just gets them taken to the cleaners and they don’t have anything left to take. They’re tapped out. They DESERVE appreciation and respect, not ridicule. So they believe in GOD, belief in something greater than narcissistic selves is a GOOD THING. So they believe in Law and ORDER, they respect the LAW, and they believe that LAW should apply to ALL. I agree with that too. Seems fair. Although as a survivor of some pretty horrific abuse, I know too well that there is no such thing as justice, but that doesn’t mean I don’t believe it should be withheld from anyone else.
I am just so disappointed that there’s no respect for other peoples right to have an opinion, nobody has to agree with it, but we should be glad and not put words in others mouths, esp b/c we know that kind of cruel manipulation was used against us. That’s just NOT OKAY.
No we are not going to agree that Hillary is the answer. She is a monster. I am sad that it looks like she will win, b/c she will put being pc on steroids. She is NOT an emotionally healthy person and she is VERY vindictive. And… worst of all, those who put her in power do NOT hold her accountable to standards of decency.
The news media did all to help get Trump nominated, now they are doing all they can to destroy him. And I hope, b/c what the news media is doing is SO sociopathic, that they lose. I want the news media to LOSE BIG, and maybe then they’ll go back to being journalists for ALL the people, not just for their pet causes and hidden agendas.
That was amazingly well said, NWHSOM, and exactly how I feel about it all. I understand why people want Trump, and it is because of all the reasons you said. I just wish it was someone with his power who could be more respected (imagine the landslide if he was a likable person!) I wonder if the media thought they would help him first to only trash him later so that they could assure A Hillary victory. Seems planned, and we know now via Wikileaks that she was meeting with many people in the media. They never counted on all the Wikileaks, and they never counted on Trump actually tapping into that fed up middle class. Wow, new things to think about. =)
NWHStoM-
So now we have the “it’s not bigotry because everybody does it” defense! You’ll need to peddle it somewhere else. I’m not buying!
Trump wants to ban Muslims from entering the US. That’s what the man says. You can try to spin it any way you want. But that’s what the man says.
YOU are the one spinning it. He said he wants to temporarily ban them until they can be properly vetted so that we know the American people are safe.
Do you really want more members of ISIS here?
I know I don’t.
Hate Donald Trump if you choose to. There are things that can definitely be pointed out about him that raise red flags, but don’t make things up out of what he has said.
BrokenEmber-
Ok- He doesn’t want to “ban” them, he just wants to “ban” them???? Yup- that makes perfect sense!
BrokenEmber
I don’t know what is going on with jm_short. This is different than my previous experience of her.
I know that a bigot is someone who is INTOLERANT of people’s differences. That is not the same as discerning that there are differences. jm_short is intelligent and aware of the meaning. She is ignoring it.
For now, jm_short is attacking the use of a single word but ignoring easily understood and agreeable perspectives.
For instance, we can all agree that Donald Trump has warts and says stupid stuff…we don’t need to make any up. But Trump ALSO says many statements that good people agree with, namely that we don’t want to unwittingly take in terrorists, esp given the reality of their threats and the vulnerability of our citizens. It’s a fact that the USA has, over it’s history, suspended immigration from certain countries, sometimes specifically for SECURITY purposes.
No, Trump doesn´t want to just “ban”! He wants to ban people with a radical islamic background to enter freely into the US. And that would be good for you.
Have you forgotten about the recent Orlando gay shooting in a club with almost 50 Dead? The shooter pledged ISIS allegiance!
Hillary Clinton, who got more than 50 Millions from Arabic Countries who openly support radical Muslim Organisations will certainly NOT do so!
Her strategy is rather to create chaos to establish more power and control for the gouvernment than to prevent!
speaking of psychopaths….. 🙂
All very true!
Dear Donna,
I have been quite fortunate as to have been in intensive therapy for the past 15 months, with a therapist who seems to understand the pain and trauma ancillary to antisocial personality disorder survivors.
It is terribly disconcerting to find a person who so clearly suffers from narcissistic personality disorder on TV every day. Donald Trump reminds me very much of my father, and more recently, my sociopath, and my PTSD has most certainly been triggered, however, I have experienced great joy in the fact that this most horrific treatment of kind, compassionate and empathetic people has been brought to the forefront. Donald Trump’s narcissistic personality has been exposed.
In my healing process, I have come to learn that exposing these monsters for the soulless victimizers they are is the greatest weapon we have against them. For reasons I am unaware of, most people are unfamiliar with the behavior and existence of these creatures, and for those of us abused by them, before it’s too late. It seems, throughout this campaign, no one is allowed to call Trump what he is; the talking heads talk about the behavior, but seem to be bound from stating that the behavior stems specifically from narcissistic personality disorder. I know we cannot diagnose people from afar, but I also believe people with this antisocial personality should come with a warning.
I feel I’ve come full circle, now; understanding that I loved my sociopath the way I loved my father. I held onto hope for three years with the boyfriend and fifty with my father, that if I just loved them a little bit more, I would win the golden ticket…love. I was conditioned that way by a man like Donald Trump, but I know now, it was not me, and all the love in the world will never fix the boyfriend or the father. Trump’s spotlight has actually helped me see that more clearly.
Blessings,
Dee
I think it is important to point out the fact that the last “victim” that Gloria held a press conference with just last week is a porn star who literally conned Gloria Allred in to hold a National press conference!!!
Why is it important to point out that she is a porn star?
Because this “vicim” had a large neckless on her neck that stated “Wicked” and according to news sites the Wicked site was launched just the DAY BEFORE the press conference by this ’victim” to peddle her own products what ever they are (I did not look at her site).
YES…this woman is NOT a credible witness NOR a victim.
She literally scammed Gloria Allred, who held this press conference to influence this election and it was a total scam!!!
You can bet your bottom dollar that Trump will sue Gloria Allred because this victim who may even be a narcissist, IS a opportunist and used this time of our Presidential race to get foot traffic on her newly launched website.
BEWARE OF WHAT YOU HEAR IN THE PRESS WITH REGARDS TO THIS ELECTION.
Jan7 – I live in Atlantic City, NJ – where Donald Trump bankrupted his casinos. I can personally vouch for the fact that he put multiple construction companies out of business. I can personally vouch for the fact that he was cheating on his wives and trying to get other people lie for him. I know people who have dealt with him – and they are not voting for him. He is bad, bad news.
Donna- I believe you that people (maybe not all but many) who have been in competition with Trump and have been defeated… don´t want to have to do with him anymore.
After all, he is a pure and aggressive capitalist! But isn´t that what made America great? It is the middle class, that has the “Right” to build up their own businesses. It led the US to the most free and prosperous country in the World! Home of brave, land of the free! Trump is a “self made” Millionaire who certainly was not “prude” in getting wealthy. He is wealthy, but he is not part of the Elite that has been in charge for a long time. This is also why he must use his own money! for the election campaign. In contrary to Hillary Clinton- who receives/d Millions from outside! countries- makes “Deals” over weapons of war!
In fact, I bring this up because I was still thinking about this whole topic, when just half an hour ago, by accident talked to a marrocan friend. He told me very astounded, that the Marrocan King! just today announced the support of Hillary´s Campaign with 12 Million Dollars. Wow, I was baffled.
Trump is one of “yours”- Hillary Clinton is not!
Nina-
It’s not the people who competed with him that complain of his devious practices. It’s people who actually worked for him…. in great numbers.
Trump in not self-made and does not come from or represent the middle class. He represents all that is deplorable about capitalism…. screwing people over, lying, cheating and double-dealing. And he won’t even show you his tax returns so you can’t even see how deplorable his business practices have been.
And as to his running mate, Mike Pence….. Indiana is at the very bottom of the list of 50 states in economic growth. In 2014, his state, under his leadership, lost 2,100 jobs to Mexico. Look at the facts before you believe the spin.
Donna,
I can believe what you say about Trump, but to condemn him and all his warts while excusing and hiding Hillary’s warts is disingenuous. She is BAD BAD News (worse b/c her foundation shows she has sold out the US people for massive personal financial gain.)
NowWhatHeSaidofMe – Hillary Clinton is also disordered, which I said, but you may have missed. And because we get a “twofer” – with her and Bill – the situation is doubly bad.
Anyway, I appreciate everyone’s comments – I think this is a good discussion (even though some Lovefraud readers got mad at me).
Thanks for being so candid about this. I’m not quite sure why people don’t recognize how deplorable his business practices are. I know an architect he stiffed. And this is the way he has vowed to run the economy of the US…… by double-dealing our creditors. As a former bond trader, I can’t begin to tell you how deeply problematic doing so will be to the US economy.
I respect your decision to vote for a third party candidate. I simply can’t see that keeping Trump out of office, and that’s my goal with my ballot.
Donald Trump is spending his own money – now a 100 Million again- for the campaign. If someone has many businesses running and is a Billionaire and 4!!! of them are failing- Number 4! – then he is NOT succesful??
Hillary Clinton is spending the money she got from Wall-Street, certain “big” industries and from Arabic Countries- isn´t that funny?
May I ask if it is CONSTITUTIONAL if a presidential candidate gets paid for his election campaign from foreign countries?
Countries, where WOMENS AND CHILDRENS AND MINORITIES RIGHTS ARE TRAMPLED UPON in the most horrific ways!
JM- Short- May you PLEASE ANSWER to that specific Question?
I also think it is important to realize that ALL of these politicians both Republican & Democrat say what people are feeling at the time of an election and they manipulate people to swing votes in their party direction.
Like your ex sociopath these politicians have a hidden agenda!!
REMEMBER this!!
Their agenda is to make money for themselves, for their friends, for other Congressmen or Senators who help pass their legislature but most importantly make money for their financial race backers.
For instance Obama was backed by the health care industry…look this tidbit up! And guess what was passed Obamacare!! And George W Bush was backed by the Oil industry hence our gas skyrocket when Obama took office to manipulate citizens from seeing the truth. YES, this is how our government works…
“you get me a job with your money & I will pass bills to make you more money”!! “All scratch your back, you scratch my back”
Remember also that a LARGE number of narcissist, sociopaths & psychopaths gravitate to DC and into Congress, Senate, Lobbyist, Oval Office etc!!
What is their ultimate goal? Just like yours to have POWER, CONTROL AND CON PEOPLE FOR MONEY!!
I still believe that Bill Clinton is a psychopath & Hillary is a sociopath!
I dont care how you vote, that is up to you but before you do watch these documentaries to see what Bill & Hillary have been up to with their hidden agenda for 40 years…YOU WILL BE SHOCKED just like when you left your ex and started to unravel all his lies, double live, and his hidden agenda!! Start unraveling everything the clinton have done…including taking White House furniture when they moved out, it took years to get this furniture back from them!!
Documentaries:
1) Clinton Cash everything is for sale (you tube)
2) Clinton Chronicles (you tube)
Our governments from local, to state to federal are ALL CORRUPT!!
This is what everyone should learn this Presidential race!!
Interesting. Hilary has been triggering PTSD in me. For over 20 years my husband’s ex-wife litigated against us and used every form of abuse against us. It was financially ruinous. She was wealthy and loaded with lawyers. She had been a paralegal and like Hilary she firmly repeated lies over and over in a thug powerful way and was taken in by a judge with a man hating agenda. She screamed and terrorized us and our staff, not to mention his young daughter. She was so unpredictable, you never knew when she was going to stalk, call your friends and harass, scream at public places at the top of her lungs (she enjoyed it). I truly feel Hilary is a narcissist if not a sociopath. I think the frightening Chelsea is too and Bill too.
Trump helped open my voice and give me courage after this long term trauma. Further I worked for an abusive woman boss in a time when I was not in a position to quit work. Later I worked for two different men who were abusive. I learned how to speak up to the men but the women had a particular vindictiveness that was terrifying. Even to this day I wonder what might happen the rest of my life. Donald Trump has given many of us who did not have a voice the courage to stand with him as he takes on the bullies. Average americans are suffering and Hilary is lecturing all of us. Obama is lecturing all of us. Trump is listening and then charging forward. I would suggest for healing that you consider that Trump might be your defender and Hilary might be your sociopathic enemy. If I had to leave my nieces with either Trump or Bill Clinton I would be terrified to leave them with Bill Clinton. Now he is known as a serial adulterer and is accused way more than Trump of sexually assaulting women. God bless. I’m sorry any of us are suffering with PTSD. I’m quite frightened of the assault on all of us if Hilary is elected.
I have disconnected from social media and news, and have been focusing on more important aspects in my personal life. Several months ago, I have done personality assessments on all of the candidates. I was shocked, yet not, as research has shown that politicians rank high as being personality disordered. My conclusion at this time is that I know the majority of the population are apaths. Good people, yet will side with individuals that fit their own perceptions and belief systems. What is one of the rules when you have suffered sociopathic abuse and you know someone else has been charmed and manipulated?…You can’t tell them. They have to figure it out on their own. It is my belief, and to some degree, my relief, that those of us who have experienced sociopathic abuse, will have an entire nation of people who will finally “get it.” As sad and cold as that may sound, it’s going to be a reality. We cannot predict the future, but we know that past behavior predicts future behavior. Thank you, Donna for providing a healing place for those who have suffered at the hands of the disordered.
Regardless of the political leanings, I’m really grateful for this article and the comments…Its nice to know I’m not the only one seeing my own personal experiences reflected in the broader stage of this election and society in general.
It has been my experience that the “path” in my life used two main avenues to manipulate me: 1)Playing on my fears and insecurities 2) Playing on my heartstrings. To me, Trump is the epitome of #1 and Clinton is a walking example of #2.
I’m going 3rd party myself, and I’ve given up the process of banging my head against the wall trying to get my diverse group of friends to see what I see. Instead, I’ve decided to focus on the fact that all of the voters I know, formed the allegiance that they have because they all want to do the right thing. Their choices help me see what motivates them more and that helps me be a better friend and communicator. Maybe I will get through to some of them, maybe I won’t. But I’m no longer afraid of the outcome of the election. I know that I have good people as friends now (I’ve weeded the rest out)…and we are flexible and creative and we’ll figure it out as we go no matter what happens.
Peace & Love to all…
PS (I highly recommend, in addition to this blog and related books, David Richo’s books “How to be an Adult in…) Very helpful in understanding my own brain wiring and how I became such an attractive target to a psychopath–so I won’t ever be one again!)
I have been around for several years now, and was quite surprised when this topic ended up on this site. I don’t want to get into lengthy political discussion, but I want to add a thought… Food for thought actually. We have to remember that narcissism and sociopathy are very different creatures… One may be born from the other, but to be a true sociopath… Hillary was not a victim in her marriage, it was a power merger from the beginning and she thought he was stupid sex craved slick Willy. It didn’t phase her, nor stop her pursuit of higher goals. I was married to one narcissist and one sociopath… Hillary is much like the sociopath ex of mine and (except she is female) and trump is much like if not exactly like my narcissist ex. There are glimpses of emotional concern with a narcissist, they are absent in a sociopath. I think it would be difficult to be married to either of the candidates, but I would prefer trump over Hillary as a spouse… Let alone leader of the country. I got the chills watching Hillary strut around like a peacock during the debates… She even ruffled her feathers when she saw her instigation was successful in the second debate. Just food for thought…
I think this a very important differentiation! And I think it is true!
All sociopaths are narcissists but not all narcissists are sociopaths. Being narcissistic is not a disorder. Having Narcissistic Personality Disorder is a disorder. In fact, we all start out in life as complete narcissists, so says Freud.
Everyone has a certain level of self esteem. We couldn’t get through life without it. But not all of us throw others under the bus and trample their rights in order to prevail. Seems both Hillary and Trump are pretty good at that behavior. But here’s the difference…..
Trump will appoint judges who will set aside Roe vs. Wade. Simply put, that means that abortion will go back to the kitchen tables and unsanitary backrooms where it was prior to its passage. The government will control your reproductive rights, instead of you.
Trump will, (he actually said so) attempt to renegotiate this country’s debt. He has declared bankruptcy 4 times. He believes that’s “smart” business. And he feels that running a country should be akin to running a business. It’s not.
Running a country is all about profit. Running a country is all about people and the greater good. He has zero attachment to the best interests of people. Hillary has a documented track record of introducing and passing legislation that benefits children, families and veterans.
Trump manipulates his way through life. He stiffs his creditors who have families to feed, house and educate. And he pays off cents on the dollar. Doing so with the US deficit will lower the credit rating of the US. The end result is that the Social Security System will collapse because it is secured through US Treasury Bills and he will create an economic disaster (similar to his own- which was so bad that he hasn’t had to pay taxes for years because of his losses) that will be universal and worse than the great depression.
Donna, I am so extremely disappointed in you. You write this article about Trump, but you completely left out the lady who has made a whole career of lying and crooked deals. She’s so crooked that she owns the mainstream media! You ever want to write about a classic (and obvious!) sociopath go study that lady, and look at what she has been able to get away with–all while laughing her inappropriate laugh. Your credibility with me is not the same. 🙁
BrokenEmber – Hilary was not excluded.
She barely talked about her at all! What about her getting a child rapist off and laughing about it! You can find that recording online and listen to it. Or all the woman who have accused Bill Clinton of rape, and said that Hillary threatened and harassed them? What about the money she takes from countries who routinely abuse woman and gay people? What about the whole primary election that was rigged (and it was proven!) What about her lying repeatedly, and continuing to lie about the FBI investigation into her e-mails? There is A LOT to write about her.
I agree with BrokenEmber.. I just think so many are being manipulated by the media it has been proven she pays off and controls using foreign donations in the hundreds of millions into her Clinton Foundation (from places like Saudi Arabia) into a demonization of Trump, which consists of a barrage of accusations without any proof or substantiation – to distract from all her and her husbands ACTUAL very serious crimes which includes actual treason.. it’s scary.
Heck, look at the recent debate when Trump talked about gay people being thrown off buildings–she laughed her inappropriate laugh before she caught herself! There is something seriously wrong with that woman.
BrokenEmber – The article is about victims being triggered. One commenter just posted above that she was triggered by Hillary – I hadn’t heard that before, or I would have included it. In fact, I just added an update to the story.
My article about the candidates from August does go into detail about them both being disordered – see the link above. I didn’t want to repeat the information.
But I guess I could have written more about Hillary. To be honest, I am surprised that several people interpret the fact that I wrote about Trump triggering PTSD to mean that I support Hillary Clinton. I do not.
I am disappointed in the entire election. That’s why I hope a third party candidate can shake things up.
Donna, I apologize for jumping to conclusions. I woke up to this, and I never saw the other article. Hillary Clinton really scares me because so many people seem to be blind to her behavior, or they even make excuses for her. Whereas I am not sure anyone truly likes Trump.
I will go back and read your other article. Thank you!
Donna- I’m glad you did an update to the article. Trump is flawed but Bill Clinton’s exploitation of Monica Lewinsky ruined her life IMO. Bill Clinton gets a pass but Monica will always be the girl who was used by Bill Clinton which Hillary condoned and called a right wing conspiracy.
There is an excellent “TED talk” Monica did where she talks about everything she went through including the harassment online (which was a brand new thing then) and how she was suicidal. I don’t think a lot of people took what she was going through, at such a young age, into consideration. I’m sure that video can be found on YouTube.