Remember the Electric Light Orchestra? I couldn’t resist. But I really want to say something about an e”¦evil woman. Actually, not really. I just wanted an excuse to say e..evil woman. Okay, I’ve said it, again. Now I’ve got it out of my system. I’ll stop with that.
But I do want to talk about evil. Evil’s such a dicey word. Evil? What is evil? What really makes someone evil? Do evil people exist?
That is, can someone even be evil: Are people evil, or just their behaviors?
I remember a friend of mine, a close friend, years ago, once called me an “evil m*therf*cker,” and I laughed. Did I laugh because I’m evil, thereby validating his accusation? Or did I laugh because I was secure enough to know I’m not?
By the way, what prompted his accusation was a really cruel, funny practical joke I played on him. I’m afraid he found it much more cruel than funny, whereas I found it much funnier than cruel. (Maybe some other time I’ll describe the joke?)
Speaking of cruel, is there a relationship between evil and cruelty? Are they the same thing? When you’re being cruel, or committing a cruel act, are you being evil? Is the cruelty itself evil?
If you don’t have a headache by now, I do. But that’s okay”¦I’ll even make it worse by posing some more light questions, like: Are exploiters, by definition, evil? Is exploitation always evil? Or, must acts of exploitation reach a certain threshhold of heinousness to constitute evil?
And what about our favorite friends, the sociopaths? Are sociopaths, by definition, evil? Sometimes? Always?
And then, of course, the really ultimate question: Do you really think I’m going to answer these questions?
Do you really think I’m crazy, and grandiose, enough, to tackle these questions?
Maybe I am”¦but I can assure you, not adequately. Still, I will “man up” and offer some “takes” on these heady matters, if for no other purpose than to drum-up some good discussion!
I fully expect, incidentally, your feedback to change my mind on, and views of, these questions many times, exposing (you can be sure) the fickleness of my positions.
But, for the moment, here are my short answers:
I believe people can be evil, not just do evil; in other words, I believe some people are evil.
I believe that evil is always cruel, but that cruelty is not always evil.
I believe that evil is always exploitative, but that exploitation is not always evil.
I believe that evil is always destructive, but that destructiveness is not always evil.
Consistent with these views, I believe that some exploiters and, more specifically, some sociopaths—but not all—are evil.
Now, for my personal working definition of evil, in all its glaring limitations: Evil, as I see it, is the lust to express cruelty towards, and/or destructiveness of, others.
There it is. Note the boldfaced “lust to express;” I regard the “lust” as a central element of evil.
Let me dive right into an elaboration of some of my positions.
Evil is always cruel, but cruelty is not always evil. My view here is that evil, fortunately, is less commonplace than cruelty. Cruelty, however, is tragically commonplace.
Most of us are capable of cruelty, but most of us are not evil. This isn’t to diminish the impact of cruelty. In fact, because cruelty is so commonplace and destructive, it is arguably the worst part of human nature.
But not all cruelty is lust-driven. When cruelty is lust-driven, it is evil. When not, it is something less than evil—although I stress that even this debatable point doesn’t lessen cruelty’s impact one iota.
I think the same applies to “exploitation—”that is, exploitation is cruel, always, but not always evil. Valid or not, this assertion isn’t meant to minimize the potentially traumatic impact of exploitation.
Let me give a relatively benign example: A slick colleague convinces you to lend him $150 cash, promising to pay you back in a couple days. The next day, he’s gone. Has left the job. Quit. Never gave notice. The boss is bewildered, and you are too. You never hear from him again. You knew him well enough (so you thought) to lend him the money, but not, as it turns out, as well as you thought. The money probably bought his Amtrak ticket to Seattle.
You were fleeced. He knew he’d be gone, and he had no intention of honoring his debt. To him, you weren’t so much a nice guy whose generosity he appreciated, as much as, ultimately, a sucker. You were taken. He’s a sociopath.
But he needed the money, and put it to practical use. The problem is, he stole it from you. But he needed the money, and money is money, however he can get his hands on it. Not all sociopaths think like this, but some do.
This sociopath was thinking somewhat pragmatically; he needed the money and schemed to get it. But here’s the point: He didn’t lust for your suffering as much as he lusted for your money. Basically, he was greedy and sociopathically conniving, and so he took what he wanted, not per se to inflict pain or harm on you, but because he wanted it.
In this instance, he is exploitative, in my view, but not evil.
Is he cruel? Not in this example. I define cruel as having an intention to inflict harm or pain on someone. This could be mental, or physical pain. It is arguably cruel, for instance, to dismiss someone contemptuously, and yet it is not necessarily cruel, but is definitely exploitative, to con someone out of $150.
A former client of mine, around 1994, shot-up a bunch of kids at a swimming pool with a semi-automatic weapon. (For my own pathetic ego, I was grateful he waited until about two years after I last saw him.) He’d been dually diagnosed as a psychopath and paranoid schizophrenic. Was he evil? I don’t think so, although I appreciate that those kids, and their families, might have thought so.
In any case, I think he was more paranoid than evil, although he was certainly cruel. I also think that he believed that those kids were evil.
So, in this case, which is not hypothetical, I’d suggest that my ex-client was cruel, but not necessarily evil, or for that matter, even exploitative.
How about a Bernie Madoff? Is Bernie Madoff evil? I don’t think so. Yet he may very well be a sociopath and most certainly was heinously exploitative. Was he cruel? I don’t think so, again. I don’t think it was Madoff’s intention to inflict suffering on anyone. That wasn’t his primary motive to do what he did, despite the devastating impact of his greed and deception.
Regarding cruelty: for me, to be cruel implies, and requires, an intention to cruelty; it is a separate issue whether the consequences of your actions are experienced as cruel. I suspect that Madoff’s victims will describe him as cruel, if only for his indifference. However, I don’t see, from the little that is known about this case, that “cruelty” drove Madoff’s exploitation.
Now let’s tackle some big fish: How about Saddam Hussein and Adolph Hitler?
Hussein, in my view, was both cruel and exploitative, but I’m not sure I’d call him evil. Hussein’s lust was principally for power, less principally (one might argue) evil-driven. His cruelty was more a means to an end—the “end” being the consolidation and preservation of his power, by whatever ruthless means necessary. Was he a sociopath? Very possibly.
Hitler, I think, was cruel, exploitative, and evil. Hitler’s lust transcended his obsession with power; his was a lust to exterminate the Jews and other “non-desirables.” In other words, apart from his pathological lust for power, he also had a lust for cruelty and destruction. The latter meets the criteria of evil.
What do you think? Whatever it is, I’m betting it’ll change my mind?
(This article is copyrighted (c) 2009 by Steve Becker, LCSW.)
Eye,
The descripton of both on Amazon look interesting. I agree with Bloom’s hypothesis that the “pecking order”has lot to do with evil on a micro and macro level.
Leah,
I first read Bloom’s books years ago and refer to them often because I find what he has to say so compelling. Bloom explains the reasons for certain human behaviors, particularly group behaviors, in terms that are very plausible. He even puts forth the idea that “evil” has a place and a function in the grand scheme of things.
Bloom reminds us that humans have developed moral codes for judging one another’s behaviors. The same behaviors, such as the ‘pecking order’ and other even more brutal vicious rituals, occur throughout the animal world and we consider those behaviors amoral.
Bloom also points out the work of Dr. Paul MacLean who first posited the concept of a “triune brain”! We all have three brains , reptilian, mammalian, and primate, and they don’t always agree! So, Bloom’s point seems to be exactly what he states early on in the book……….that The Lucifer Principle is woven into our most basic biological fabric and becomes the driving force behind wars, genocide, homicide, discrimination, bullying, gangs, and yes, gossiping, and other aggressive human behaviors both within groups and by individuals. It is man’s basic inclination to evil that Judeo-Christian civilizations recognized with their efforts to teach adherence to a moral code and to train a properly formed conscience as a guide for determining right from wrong. Many might argue with Bloom’s point of view, but it certainly makes for interesting reading!
Eye
Ha, how funny – I was thinking of the “reptilian”portion of our triune brain when I posted you.
Okay, you’ve convinced me to add Bloom to my lengthy Amazon wish list.
TO LEAH:
Could I please have a copy of your list to save me going through all the comments?
Tilly,
I’m not sure if eye and Leah are still around, but you can go onto amazom.com and search by author for books and find a list of his books, or by subject.
I have noticed how many people STILL think you can reason with a true sociopath. You cannot….this blog is full of real people who have been methodically torn down by sociopaths. I don’t think you can EVER truly know how that feels unless you have dealt with one. I love the analogy of the aliens…people actually look at you like you are speaking in a foreign language or something when you try to explain it to them. It makes you feel so isolated. You go inward because you are not sure who you can trust or if they will even believe you. Trust me…a true sociopath will have all their bases covered BEFORE they start their game with you. Real sociopaths are VERY patient… they will already have secured a good image of themselves with the VERY people that you think you could go to when the games begin. Sometimes this can take years to establish. So those people have this fixed image of the sociopath in their mind that is so contrary to what you are telling them, that they think surely you are over reacting and making a big deal out of nothing.. it’s like being in a crowded room screaming and no one can hear you…I thank God for finding this blog….it gives us all the freedom to express what others cannot see….Peace…
Creampuff,
I know what I am dealing with, a spath, having endured SO MUCH GRIEF already, being hesitant to tell others what I know about him due to the fact that they’ll think I’m nuts, society having an inaccurate perception of what these people are like, they’re in our midst. Frankly, I was like most people (before I learned about the disorder), having a mental picture of a psychopath, thinking that there were few of them in the world, not encountering any in my lifetime, on a personal level. Wrong!
Steve:
This one is for YOU…..
http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/electric-light-orchestra-evil-woman/c87926863be297a647dcc87926863be297a647dc-1736813380592
~It still sounds like they are saying “Medieval Woman” to me.
Thank goodness I can Google the lyrics and clear these things up for myself. It’s a harsh reality to discover you’ve been singing the wrong words for the past 25 years.
I think most strong women qualify as “evil.” They live on that edge — probably not as totally evil, but taking the accusation anyway. I mean, what would a modern therapist say to the following women and their “relationships”?
Lucille Ball
Katharine Hepburn
Victoria Woodhull
Mother Jones
“Nellie Bly” (Elizabeth Cochrane)
Sister Souljah
Ellen De Generes
You can’t be remarkable and “normal” at the same time.
But isn’t it also rich how a lot of men are kind of like that one described above who punched the girl at the party? They can pass their act off as being iconoclastic, misunderstood geniuses.
Oh God, that’s so funny, quoting Howard Bloom. I see him all the time, he wears a shirt with a “Howard Bloom” monogram so you’ll know he’s him, and he types away madly at a laptop at a New York coffee bar, seemingly off the top of his head, all this genius stuff people keep coming back for.
Maybe it’s good, I don’t know. The author is pretty far gone into Bloom-land.
Check out the Special Features on the “Religulous” CD by Bill Maher. He interviews Bloom, and looks like he’s being tortured and wants to run like hell away from there.