If you read the stories of victims of sociopaths, many common themes are apparent. One of these is the victim complains that he/she is riddled with anxiety while the sociopath goes on with life effortlessly. From the point of view of a victim then, it is hard to see fear as a gift. Many say they wish the sociopath suffered some anxiety over the mess of their lives. The worst sociopaths (psychopaths) even go to prison multiple times, only viewing this fate as “an occupational hazard.”
Over the past 100 years, clinicians and scientists have written about the lack of fear in sociopaths. Many have speculated that lack of anxiety or fearlessness is one of the causes of sociopathy/psychopathy. In fact, one researcher was able to show that the level of anxiety shown by children in the first two years of life predicted conscience at age 6. Low fear kids had less of a conscience. In these low fear kids, only empathy predicts conscience.
If you are with me in raising a fearless child whose other parent is a sociopath, you have to understand this risk factor for the disorder. Fearless kids require specialized parenting that focuses on developing empathy to an advanced degree. They have to be super empathetic to make up for their deficit in guilt/anxiety/fear. Many writing on this blog have questioned whether empathy can be taught or fostered. There is much evidence that the development of empathy can be enhanced by the right parenting.
My son’s teachers have all described him as very caring and empathetic even without knowing that I wrote a book on that subject. So I can give testimony as to what helps fearless, at-risk kids have empathy and conscience through empathy. Many fearless kids, like my son are resistant to punishment. So the only hook you have with them is a loving relationship. You need a big hook too, because the same fearless kids are energetic and very impulsive, so they require a great deal of correcting. Their only motivation to learn to control their behavior is to have the approval of those they love. This is why the usual American parenting style, which does not foster close family relationships, produces sociopathy in fearless at risk kids.
Many parents who come to realize they are dealing with a fearless at-risk child, come to believe that “discipline” will fix the problem. They therefore seek out advice on how to do this effectively. They use all the techniques only to find out that they may work in the moment here and there but do very little to impact the fearless child’s behavior overall.
Also I should say that fearlessness and dominance behavior go hand in hand, so these kids are what most people call “strong-willed.” Many religious leaders have therefore said that it is important to “break the will” of strong-willed kids.
The problem with trying to break the will of an at-risk child and focusing on discipline, is that these do not instill what at risk children need to develop a conscience. These kids don’t need to be broken, they need to be fixed! The fix involves teaching them to love.
When teaching a child to love, it is important to remember that negative family experiences have a stronger weight in our minds that loving ones. The at-risk child responds to negative interactions, not with fear but with more dominance behavior. Psychologists have determined that in order to be of equal weight, our positive loving experiences have to out-weigh our conflicts by 5:1. So we have to experience 5 times more love than conflict in order for us to feel stable.
If you are with me raising at-risk kids you will immediately see the “Catch 22.” These kids need constant correcting because they are so impulsive. If they get a thought to do something, they do it instantly and they have a hard time terminating an unwanted behavior. So the usual parenting means 100 times more conflict than love for these kids. In a nut shell that is why many develop sociopathy. Study after study has shown that when normal loving parents adopt children with genetic risk (whose biologic parents are sociopaths), they turn negative and punitive toward the kids.
Without focused practice loving, the absence of guilt turns into a complete absence of conscience for at-risk kids. A person with guilt deficiency can have a conscience if he/she has empathy. Without either guilt or empathy you get a psychopath. (Also by the way some guilt with no empathy makes ____________ personality disorder? You fill in the blank.)
Ok now many of you are saying to yourselves, “I don’t buy this fearless, lack of anxiety crap. The sociopath I was with was neurotic as hell.” Although studies of groups of sociopaths show that within individuals the level of anxiety is negatively correlated with the level of sociopathy, it also turns out that the rates of phobias (other than social phobia) and anxiety disorders are NOT lower in sociopaths.
Scientists are presently very puzzled trying to reconcile all these observations. The evidence that fearlessness and lack of anxiety are causative in sociopathy is fairly strong. How do we explain then, phobias and anxiety in sociopaths and conduct disordered kids?
I can offer some explanation based on my reading and my own observations of sociopaths and their offspring. I think the critical question is WHEN the fear system develops in a child, if it does. I think that in many sociopaths, the fear system develops too late to impact their development in a positive way. So if a child develops fears after he/she has already developed a pattern of dominant, impulsive behavior, those fears do little to positively impact his personality development. Instead these fears lead a child to become even more aggressive in self defense.
Also realize that if a child’s fear system, which is supposed to develop by 2, doesn’t develop until 4 or 5, he/she is left without the tools to manage the fears. Children are supposed to use their loving relationships to cope with their fears. The at-risk child, at 5 already has a poor relationship with his/her caregivers because of the impulsive behavior. Who is the child supposed to turn to when afraid? The only thing that child can do is to focus on having interpersonal power. If he/she is powerful then he/she can’t be hurt. I encourage you to go and observe this for yourself this summer. Go to a local playground and observe the kids. You will see the dominant ones using fantasies of power to cope with their fears.
So as I have said before, sociopaths do not have the gift of fear. The way fear works in their lives never helps to keep them safe. Their experience of fear is aberrant; they suffer with it but that suffering does them no good. For sociopaths fear and anxiety are not connected to avoidance of stuff that gets them in trouble. For them fear and anxiety are connected to the opposite, fantasies of interpersonal power. Feeling anxious only makes them aggress more on others.
I am interested to hear your accounts of phobias, fears and anxiety in the sociopath you were involved with. Also if you have at-risk children please feel free to comment on how hard it is to parent them. This is one area where the observations of family members can contribute to our understanding of both sociopathy and how it develops.
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LostInGrief,
Be the one YOU can trust.
I had to learn this. I am still working on it.
Aloha
Again, thank you all. I find myself in unfamiliar territory — being cared for and understood. I was with this nutcase for 15 years, on and off … mostly on. I stood by him through everything. How could an intelligent, warm, spiritual and, believe it or not, feminist(!) fall for this? What the hell is wrong with me? According to him, my nagging him about whether he was cheating or not ”drove” him to be with this girl! (I just can’t call her a woman, she’s nearly half my age.)
I’m confused. I really appreciate your support. Can there really be people like this … so cold and calculating … yet the center of attention, on everyone’s ‘favorite person list’, give-ya-the-shirt-off-his-back guys who are really just doing everything as a manipulation!?! I’m really having a hard time wrapping my brain around this. For real.
Lostingrief,
Yes. There really are guys like this. My ex, whom I call “The Bad Man” was formerly a Minister. Looking like a good guy is a very common tactic. It’s a way of kind of spinning reality. How can I be abused by a Minister, Yoga Guru, Counselor, Boy Scout Leader, Good Neighbor.. etc.?
Lost, you will find that there are many bright, articulate, caring, successful people here at LF. So you are in good company. Take yourself off of any loser list you may have put yourself on, okay? It’s totally okay. We fell for all kinds of ridiculous BS. The thing is, it looks much more ridiculous when you are wiping the Sh*t off your shoe than when you are standing knee deep in it with no clear view of the way out.
Rest assured that you did not drive this man away with nagging. UGH. I hate that. Bad Man always said things like this… the reason they say things like that is this… see how he has shifted your focus off of your suspicions that he was cheating and onto defending your characer and feeling bad about yourself. The next time you get a feeling that he was up to something unsavory, you keep your mouth shut because you don’t want to be a nag. No one wants to be a nag! She how that works?
This method, slowly… no.. quickly… takes away your sense of reality… and trusting yourself. It erodes are your sense of self worth amd makes you start to wonder why such a great guy would put up with a nag like you… see?
Isn’t it awful!
I hope you realize that I am not calling you a nag. I have been through exactly what you are talking about. I am sure many others will resonate with you on this as well.
Get used to being cared about and understood here. This is the place! For real.
:o)
Aloha
Dear Lostingrief,
You are, as Aloha said, in GOOD company here. There are therapists, psychiatrists, I am a retired Registered Nurse Practitioner with quite a bit of mental health experience, etc. All our “knowledge” and “education” didn’t help us a bit more than “Suzie Homemaker” with a GED. It isn’t about how smart or not smart a person is or how educated or uneducated it is about EMOTIONS.
Caring, good people are the “poster children” for VICTIMS. BECAUSE we care, because we can love, we make the perfect victim for them. We try to be “nice” to “play fair” to see the “other’s point of view.” They do NOT play nice, care, or see anyone’s view but their own.
They would “tell a lie when the truth would fit better”—just because that’s what a psychopath does.
READ and READ and READ here, every one of the old essays in the archives, buy and read The Sociopath next door” and Dr. Robert Hare’s “Without Conscience” and educate yourself about these predators. That’s what they are. They LOOK HUMAN but they don’t think like “humans” they think like wolves or tigers. They learn to disguise themselves as “nice” or “normal” but they are anything but.
KNOWLEDGE=POWER and that is what you have to do is educate yourself about them so that in the future you can spot others and so that you can get your head “around” what they are. You will realize that you didn’t DO a thing WRONG, you were just MANIPULATED and LIED TO and USED.
Sure it is difficult to realize that there is NOT ‘good in everyone deep down” there are people who are EVIL to the CORE. They’re not all in jail either.
You HAVE COME TO THE RIGHT PLACE, everyone here has been through the wringer with you, some of us multiple times, but this is a HEALING PLACE, so feel free to ask questions, post, scream or rant if you need to. This is a SAFE place, a good place.
Aloha explained how they twist things back on you, and she is so right on about it. In many ways they are so predictable once you see the pattern. We joke that we all “dated the same guy” because in many ways their “tricks” are like they are out of the same “playbook” in so many ways.
Be good to yourself! This wasn’t anything that you did wrong, or caused, regardless of what he said. There was NOTHING you could have done to have made him love you and treat you well…he can’t love anyone!
AMEN Oxy! AMEN!
aloha The way you explain, shifting the focus on us and taking it away from them is so right on. My X was a master at that. And it did leave me so frustrated because I knew he was lie ing and my intuition was always correct. But he would turn the focus on me and before it was all over I was asking for forgiveness for something I didn’t do. i get validated everytime I read a post here……..welcome lost in grief you could not be in a better place then LF……..
Dear Lostingrief,
I feel sad for the pain and grief you must be feeling right now. I had a boyfriend in my late teens I dated for two years. I was given the same message as you except the other girl was my friend. Talk about hurt and humiliation! You are still young and now is the time for you to concentrate on yourself physically, emotionally and spiritually. It is time for you to start the healing process. You are about to blossom as you work through your grief and pain. He is about to step off into stress, worry and stamping out all those fires he has going. Don’t take his calls and refuse any contact with him..he will only want your sympathy to use you, but you have probably already been down that road with him before. Listen to the people on this website. These men and women have pearls of wisdom and support for you. Support that your friends and family cannot comprehend or posess knowledge of to help you in the way you need guidance right now. Read the books they recommend; Without Conscience, by Robert Hare is an excellent starting point that OxDrover suggested. It will affirm what you knew deep inside and open your eyes even more.
God Bless, Inthebreach
How are you doing, Inthebreach? I think about you and pray for you and Jacob daily!
It’s been a good day here at LF and here on the farm as well. I got the carpet down on the second room of my “art studio” and we got the filtration system working on our water well that the natural gas drillers had polluted, so we are back in business again! No more hauling water to drink! Whoopie! You just don’t know how much ou love indoor plumbing til you are without it for a while! LOL What’s that old saw, you don’t miss the water til the well runs dry! (or in our case MUDDY)
OXDROVER, JANESMITH, BEVERLY and ODETTE,
Today, I went to the bank and had the papers notorized that my attorney sent me on Saturday. They were the response to my P’s filing contempt of court and keeping him from visitation with Jacob. I broke down crying while the bank notary was notorizing the papers. I don’t remember breaking down in public like this ever before. I just suddenly felt tired and overwhelmed by it all and I know next week he will be sending more ridiculous games and accusations my way. There is a spiritual erosion that seems to be attached when you are being spun in the web and desparately trying to escape it. We can disprove every accusation he made but it is still stress filled constantly defending the onslaught of endless attacks and lies. The endless lying still astounds me and I wonder if he lies in bed at night plotting the next attack or if it is as natural as breathing to him. For those of you who believe in God maybe you can understand that this feels like all out demonic attack.
When Lucifer waged war in heaven because he wanted God’s Throne and to be worshipped, he was kicked down into the atmosphere (here) while other of the angels were chained in hell. The bible says Lucifer took a third of the stars (angels) with him. I wonder if one of those demons is called psychopath because it goes against everything decent and humane we are to strive for as human beings. I was thinking of this because of the Christian website you mentioned, OxDrover. How these people find it difficult to accept there is such wickedness when the very bible they are studying from states over and over that these people do exist and always have. Cain was the first example of a psychopath/sociopath. He was jealous, narcissisistic, a liar, murderer and without conscience. He murdered his own brother and when God asked where his brother Abel was; his defensive, obnoxious response was,”Am I my brothers keeper?!” No remorse, side stepped an honest answer…his omission in refusing to admit he murdered him was tantamount to a lie and he felt God owed it to him to favor him (narcissism). So the first sin addressed was Adam and Eve’s disobedience. The second seems to be Cain’s sociopathy.
Ted Bundy had the greatest pity play of all when he was hunting..he faked broken arms to lure his victims. He worked on a suicide hotline with Ann Rule when she was a detective for the Seattle Police Department. Did it mean there was some thread of decency in him? I say no! Psychopaths love playing with and having control over others lives. It is part and parcel of their makeup. It would be interesting to actually hear a recording of what he was telling these people who were calling for help to save their lives, but I doubt Seattle Police Dept. would ever release that info because it probably has some really bad things he said to people when he worked that hotline alone. Then again maybe they never taped the calls because it was the seventies.
We have to get around to asking ourselves the question of what are we going to take away from our experiences with the P’s that showed up or insinuated themselves in our lives. Sure we are the walking wounded but we don’t have to be the walking dead. Our purpose in life has not changed. It is to be the very best we can be to the very best of our ability. I suspect every person on here that has been victimized is superior in their abilities to nurture and that was the key of attraction the P zeroed in on. Nurturers are patient, forgiving, longsuffering and trust in the goodness of humanity. We can still do that but we MUST be aware and stop ignoring our own needs and our intuition when we see, feel and hear something amiss..just stop dismissing and ignoring what you know. Why do this to ourselves when the P’s had a field day already doing this to us? I give all of you my love as a sister and prayers for resolve and peace beyond understanding.
Blessings to each of you, Inthebreach
OxDrover,
LUCKY!! You have an art studio? That is great and what therapy it must be for you. It has been 6 years since I did my last collage and mosaic for my brothers. They loved them but the P complained of the cost of my art supplies and dismissed it all as foolishness, no talent..you know, the usual put downs. Know what is funny thinking back? The P could not change a lightbulb, literally! I wish I were a good painter and drawer but that is not my gift. I used to work in an art gallery for a friend on occasion and I loved it. I learned so much from the clients.
Yeah! You have modern plumbing again- and convenience! From age 4-7 I lived with my fathers parents who were beyond poor. They had an outhouse, no tub or shower and the kitchen sink had a pump instead of a faucet. Our bathing took place in the kitchen in an old metal tub where they added water heated in kettles on the stove. My grandma made her own soap but sometimes treated the family to a bar of Dove. I love the smell of Dove even now. She cooked everything from scratch- thus my love of cooking. We lived way out in the country in Vandalia, Illinois. They had an old tv they only turned on in the evening for news, otherwise it was always the radio that was on. My brother, cousin and I lived there and we ran through corn fields and played in woods. We had no idea we were poor until we moved to Peoria where the other children promptly pointed it out in no uncertain terms. As happy as my brother and I were to be back with our parents, we always missed moving away from our grandparents and the complete innocence we lived in. We still laugh about my grandma washing our hair. No one scrubbed a head like her. Ouch! But we sure had shiny hair and our clothes were always clean and pressed. I so much want to see her and grandpa again when this life is done. We learned from them not to judge others on what they have but who they are. Being poor they were honest, hard working, believed in the Lord as a merciful and kind God. Not a God that is holding a hammer waiting for you to mess up, but just waiting for you to be repentent and try harder next time. They showed us great love but they also spelled out the rules for us so we didn’t need to question. They gave us security and structure. I will love them eternally and always be thankful for them having been a part of my life and for the wonderful man they raised that was my father. My grandparents had 9 children. All are dead now except one uncle who is terminally ill. I miss them all. What a family they were. Oh, and the outhouse was a two seater and cold as ice in the winter. I won’t forget that either. Grin!
Prayers and Blessings to you and yours, Julie