Although it has been many years and there is a new relationship, a friend of mine still wishes every day that the sociopath that preyed on her will “drop dead.” Wishing and hoping that some horrible end will come for the sociopath takes up time and energy in my friend’s life; as she searches for evidence that something bad has indeed happened to the sociopath and then is disappointed.
Recently, I discussed the topic of forgiving psychopaths with a psychopathy researcher who is not a clinician. He said he received a letter from someone complaining that friends were pressuring the victim to forgive. It was the psychopathy researcher’s opinion that people should NOT be told they have to forgive a psychopath.
Upon reflecting on this opinion, I believe that this psychopathy researcher may have a special insight that informs his view —that psychopaths should not necessarily be forgiven. Perhaps this insight is: in spite of their brain disorder, psychopaths still have a choice about what they do.
My son is now 7, he and I rough and tumble play every day. It is impossible to wrestle and not have some kind of slight hurt come to one or the both of us. From the time he was very young, perhaps as young as 3, my son has appreciated the idea that mommy didn’t “do it on purpose”. If he pokes me in the eye or lands rough on my stomach he’ll say “Sorry, I didn’t do it on purpose.”
This example illustrates our inborn social contract that says we do not hurt each other on purpose. If hurts happen in the course of life, they are usually unintended side effects of other behaviors and so should be forgiven. Cheating on a spouse could even be forgiven as an unintentional hurt if the person succumbed to temptation in a moment of weakness, realized the wrong committed, then repented. Even murder is not punished as much if it is an accident.
The problem with sociopaths is that their behavior is no accident. They hurt people on purpose, carefully planning, then executing their plans. After 7 years of reading research articles and talking to victims, I believe choice is part of a complete explanation of sociopathy and victimization. If you watch any of the TV shows about sociopaths you too will see that the theme of their choices permeates the media.
Friday night, Gangland on the History Channel told the story of Billy Wadd, a member of the Devil’s Disciples motorcycle gang who gained notoriety when he broke the biker’s code of silence and testified against his nephew who murdered a family during a home invasion. Wadd said he decided to aid the prosecution of his nephew, John Wolfenbarger, instead of “taking care of things the usual way” because “You just don’t kill kids.” It is clear he believed these murders were performed with an intention that not even another sociopath could accept, so even sociopaths believe in their own capacities for choice.
Now let’s reconsider whether victims should be told they have to forgive. It seems there is a natural human instinct that says forgiveness is reserved for accidents, unintended consequences, and perhaps intentional slights that are out of character. How then can you ever forgive a psychopath?
Psychopaths have been compared to predators. I think this analogy is seriously flawed. A predator such as a lion or wolf has to kill in order to survive. Psychopaths don’t hurt for survival. They hurt because they want to, because they like hurting. Their enjoyment of hurting increases the likelihood they will choose to hurt if given the opportunity. They also seek out opportunities to hurt -not for survival but for pleasure.
Since sociopaths, with intention, repeatedly violate our inborn social contract, perhaps they should never be forgiven.
Instead of forgiving, I hope, my friend, you will think about all this and thoroughly digest the reality of the sociopath you shared life with. The reality is terrible— you shared life with a truly evil person, someone who regularly, with malice and forethought, chooses to harm others. Don’t stop hoping to see the day the scourge of this evil person’s existence will be wiped from the Earth, but do not waste any more of your time on him.
About Billy Wadd? Could it be that he is making a deal with the prosecution in exchange for his testimony so as to get a better plea bargain? If he is a sociopath, he will do nothing that does not benefit himself. And, ratting for a gang member can mean a death warrant on the street. Will he go to prison for a long time, but lesser than if he had not aided the prosecution? Does he hope that by the time he gets out of prison . . . he will be forgotten & no gang member will come for him?
Also, my S would agree that he had choices. He chose to commit an act. But, he did not intend to hurt me. Therefore, he was not responsible for that consequence. And if I was hurt, that was my fault. I should not have provoked him to act in such a fashion. Also, really, what he did was no big deal. I was just too sensitive.
There is murder wherein an act is committed with the intention to bring about the end of a life. Then there is an accidental death where in an act is intentionally committed but there was no intent to bring about the end of a life–the end of the life was an unforeeseen consequence of what was believably to others an innocent & justifiable act.
Sociopaths see all their acts as normal and justifiable. Or so they say. Can we really know what they think? What is real and what is the lie? Like Billy Wadd. Does he really believe that the other defendant went too far in killing children? Or did his lawyer tell him to say that because that was in his best interest? One never knows with a pathological.
Why forgive? The key is to forget. Truly forget.
this is a great post. every hurt large and small is perpetrated with malice and forethought. it’s about playing with prey and seeing if they can kill it little by little, winning a little something along the way (money, sex, loyalty!). it is a game of psychological torture; of having the prey think it is all their fault.
forgiveness implies a component of remorse. with these evil pods, there is none.
no remorse = no forgiveness.
and i’m just fine with that.
Dr Leedom,
Bear with me here. Because I am still so wounded from my experience with SPath, I have a tendency to read into everything when something is written about them, and need to qualify things a lot. When you write that spaths like hurting and they hurt because they want to, does this mean that they can make a choice not to? I know I’m at a place now where I am really hurt that my spath has found someone else and the illusion is one of happiness and doing all the things he wouldn’t with me like meeting friends and family, and so I wonder if he can just make a choice and not do any of those horridly pathological things he was doing to me and others. Intellectually, it just doesn’t make sense at all that he could turn off his pathology, but I need more reassurance about this. I hate having to go over and over this in my mind, but it’s where I’m at right now.
As I read the various posts, I wonder if my spath has a choice. Apparently some horrible things happened to him as a child as well (and I do believe they did as his brother told me about some of them) so maybe this has caused his behavior just as our childhood trauma may be causing our behavior today (just read blog on healing).
He did once cry to me that he hurts everyone and he needs to go to a shrink, so maybe there is some hope for him. And as I find resources for my healing, I am learning (at this late age) what MY issues are and in some small way, I am actually thankful to him because I now have more insight and therefore more tools to NOT be a victim anymore! Not that I forgive him, but I do see that MY dysfunction let me be susceptible and thus I don’t need to stay in victim mode. I can heal, I hope!
Of course, if I saw him today, I would still want to punch him in the face!
Thanks for listening!
personally, i don’t think they have a choice. i think they’d like to think they do. but i knew my spath for more than 20 years, and he always left a wake of destruction. i just never thought he’d do it to me. in that sense, i did think he had a choice. i was proven wrong.
They choose.. to do exactly what they want when they want and watch us…then they get excited watching us get all riled up….forgiveness is for people who actually have values and morals and human decency…the people that choose to do good with their lives..they deserve our respect…and forgiveness.. callousness , parasitic lifestyles do not deserve forgiveness…and wishing harm on them is like hoping Karma works its stuff and fast…
Hope… I still wish my ex would get run over backwards and forwards…its a refreshing wish……
Spirit!
I now know why some cheaters have been run over! My spath is so lucky he is in another country and so am I or I may have gotten in big trouble!
My situation is so fresh (I just found out yesterday that he still lives with his x – yet another lie of many) so I am going through so many emotions! Trying to sort out the lies, which is an impossibility, trying to come to grips with my dysfunctions, grieving over the loss of dreams and hope, anger, anger, anger, frustration with not being able to confront him (actually that’s a blessing) and feeling like crap because I have let this paralyze me for the last few months. I’ve been missing sleep work etc and HAVE to pull myself up! This site helps so much.
I have a question to pose, although I already took action, but curious what you think.
I emailed via facebook the ex who I believe has been lied to herself and is probably a mess as well, although I could be wrong about his involvement with me and told her I was sorry but he lied to me and I didn’t know he still lived with her. This was a big decision and also I thought would bring me some closure. I haven’t hear back and am now obsessing if he got to the email somehow. Please forgive my behavior but it wasn’t a nasty email to her and I thought she should know what he’s been doing while in the States. Well, since I haven’t heard anything, I don’t have closure! Should I write a snail mail letter? Or just get on with my life and assume she will find everything out anyway?
I just feel crazed as this is so recent!
I am no expert… do what you feel is best for you…if it makes you feel better to write and figure it out…? putting the pieces of the puzzle together is not simple, they can also purseuade others to lie for them as well with their charm and manipulation…I only figured out my ex years ago a narc/but now I realize he has always been antisocial/spath…/narc etc…and have my own theory on how it came about for him…dont care though.. I now realize I do not love him at all…not a bit..he was not real ..just a facade, who places more value on power control and possessions? than human beings like his “family”.. he is not my family, never will be and I do not care if he fell off the face of the planet , I would not shed a tear if lightning struck him..twice …I just hope karma works quickly for him…as I am sure its just a matter of time…I am not judging your behavior..its not for me to judge…. a saying I saw somewhere said before you judge me make sure your own hands are clean…..assumptions and judgements only make us look stupid and like asses…I have faith and hope I have not given up on my life or my families lives …he who fights and runs away lives to fight another day…hope I answered your question..everything happens for a reason when its supposed to happen..that is why we can not control everyone and everything…we are not supposed to.
let go….and let the powers that be.. its …easier said than done..
Forgiving them only serves to keep us stuck believing that they are capable of insight. It is more important to accept that they exist, have always existed, and will always exist and to forgive ourselves for believing otherwise.