Although it has been many years and there is a new relationship, a friend of mine still wishes every day that the sociopath that preyed on her will “drop dead.” Wishing and hoping that some horrible end will come for the sociopath takes up time and energy in my friend’s life; as she searches for evidence that something bad has indeed happened to the sociopath and then is disappointed.
Recently, I discussed the topic of forgiving psychopaths with a psychopathy researcher who is not a clinician. He said he received a letter from someone complaining that friends were pressuring the victim to forgive. It was the psychopathy researcher’s opinion that people should NOT be told they have to forgive a psychopath.
Upon reflecting on this opinion, I believe that this psychopathy researcher may have a special insight that informs his view —that psychopaths should not necessarily be forgiven. Perhaps this insight is: in spite of their brain disorder, psychopaths still have a choice about what they do.
My son is now 7, he and I rough and tumble play every day. It is impossible to wrestle and not have some kind of slight hurt come to one or the both of us. From the time he was very young, perhaps as young as 3, my son has appreciated the idea that mommy didn’t “do it on purpose”. If he pokes me in the eye or lands rough on my stomach he’ll say “Sorry, I didn’t do it on purpose.”
This example illustrates our inborn social contract that says we do not hurt each other on purpose. If hurts happen in the course of life, they are usually unintended side effects of other behaviors and so should be forgiven. Cheating on a spouse could even be forgiven as an unintentional hurt if the person succumbed to temptation in a moment of weakness, realized the wrong committed, then repented. Even murder is not punished as much if it is an accident.
The problem with sociopaths is that their behavior is no accident. They hurt people on purpose, carefully planning, then executing their plans. After 7 years of reading research articles and talking to victims, I believe choice is part of a complete explanation of sociopathy and victimization. If you watch any of the TV shows about sociopaths you too will see that the theme of their choices permeates the media.
Friday night, Gangland on the History Channel told the story of Billy Wadd, a member of the Devil’s Disciples motorcycle gang who gained notoriety when he broke the biker’s code of silence and testified against his nephew who murdered a family during a home invasion. Wadd said he decided to aid the prosecution of his nephew, John Wolfenbarger, instead of “taking care of things the usual way” because “You just don’t kill kids.” It is clear he believed these murders were performed with an intention that not even another sociopath could accept, so even sociopaths believe in their own capacities for choice.
Now let’s reconsider whether victims should be told they have to forgive. It seems there is a natural human instinct that says forgiveness is reserved for accidents, unintended consequences, and perhaps intentional slights that are out of character. How then can you ever forgive a psychopath?
Psychopaths have been compared to predators. I think this analogy is seriously flawed. A predator such as a lion or wolf has to kill in order to survive. Psychopaths don’t hurt for survival. They hurt because they want to, because they like hurting. Their enjoyment of hurting increases the likelihood they will choose to hurt if given the opportunity. They also seek out opportunities to hurt -not for survival but for pleasure.
Since sociopaths, with intention, repeatedly violate our inborn social contract, perhaps they should never be forgiven.
Instead of forgiving, I hope, my friend, you will think about all this and thoroughly digest the reality of the sociopath you shared life with. The reality is terrible— you shared life with a truly evil person, someone who regularly, with malice and forethought, chooses to harm others. Don’t stop hoping to see the day the scourge of this evil person’s existence will be wiped from the Earth, but do not waste any more of your time on him.
Cat, I agree with your post above, I have not hidden anything from my son, reality is what it is. If someone is pure evil shouldnt we protect ourselves and our children. Explain where the cause of the chaos is coming from. Children get it before we do some times. My ex tried to erode the relationship I have with my son, telling him that I am mean and “crazy”… it was him who was creating the drama and chaos in the attempt to bring us down with him… it did not work.. My son had a drawing of me for art class as an angel, the heading read who I admire the most in my life and the things that I strive to achieve for both of us now living in peace.. I do not think anyone who tries can break the bond between a mother and their child…they can unlearn the brainwashing and gas lighting once they see their fathers for who they truly are and they will ….in order for them to “win” they have to bring us down to the failure level with them…rise above ..
EB – thanks!
am felling kinda raw and vulnerable. i hate being here, ’cause i know it is based in a lack of trust in myself. not sure how to navigate this. gotta find the love for myself in it all. which means, go slow and do some quiet stuff to balance the ‘fear in the world’, and keep working on unpacking the gift of ‘doo’ the spath left for me. 😉
miss midlife! i am going to look into this disintegration theory more deeply. everything you and autisticsouls have said about it is intriguing.
this thing: ‘I could have worked such magic with them and instead they are gone and nothing good happened. ‘ I see hear year on this!
i have had this other thing going on the last couple of days. I am talking to the spath in my head – I have never talked to her in her true form, in my head or otherwise, and i am talking to her in my head in a way that is like i want to talk to her in real life. I KNOW that this is a reaction to not outing her right now, to saying some things about her anonymously in a public forum, to the fear that is rising around the how hard it is to get work and having no financial resources, and the persistant knowledege that others i know (even though only slightly) are still in her thrall as they have no idea who and what is behind those people they are talking to.
and what am i saying to her? I AM YELLING AT HER UNCONTROLLABLY. I AM FUCKING ENRAGED.
maybe i can find a place to be this weekend where i can yell aloud. wish i still had a vehicle. such a good place to scream. i think that i will see if i can get my hands on a car for saturday. i have a lot of stuff i need to do, and screaming is on the list, and driving always helps when i feel this trapped.
I never said anything to her. didn’t know who she was. i have never said anything TO her. and now that i have denied myself outing her for the moment, i have a desire to talk to her – well, not talk to her, but yell at her (what a sorry loser bitch she is. whoa.)
she is a sorry loser bitch who has been doing this for 30 years – always pretending to be someone other than she is. many others than she is. has ruined lives and marriages, and left a swath of destruction.
it took me quite a while to get all the puppets in the shoe. that’s pretty good now. but i know when i even think of the cast of characters – and there are all still active – i shake inside. in rage. completely unhinged – but i can’t hear the words yet. I need to listen.
i never pushed back against her. there was NC after he resurrected. rage is a boiling!
x one step.
-warning: graphic violence-
i started to write a long piece about forgiveness the day this article was blogged. It needed so much more time and attention than i have been able to give it. it’s frustrating and I want to try to finish it.
i have been a sucker for the idea of forgiveness. i have been brainwashed to see it as ideal in all cases. it isn’t. the hurt and rage and everything else needs to be honed to a fine point and wielded wrathfully as a tool for protection for self, others and society – in big or small ways, in grounded thoughtful ways. ( i use the term ‘wrath’ in a buddhist sense here – wrath is right protective action, without anger)
right now, i am, however, wanting to hack the b**ch to death. ouu, do not fuck with one step. i do not think i have ever felt such rage. the picture is getting clearer in my head. she is in chunks and i am still yelling at her. a carnage of rage.
i want to annihilate her for what she did to me. and to those of you who know the story line – i am just now able to say, HE betrayed me. I spend so much time understanding it is HER, everything is her, but i htink to access the rage it has been important to say it was HIM. the beauty boy betrayed me. epically.
i saw an article or a post here yesterday, about the epic nature of these relationships – i need to find it again and look more deeply into this.
bless you all.
one step
‘Since sociopaths, with intention, repeatedly violate our inborn social contract, perhaps they should never be forgiven.’
i think this goes for my N dad, too. i think that recognizing that he won’t change, does what he does with disregard for others, and never try to take him/ let him back in, regarldless of whatever small ‘reeling in’ gestures he indulges in.
recognizing him like this – and never forgiving him, will keep me safest.
I really understand about feeling vulnerable. I’ve been going through so much this week with my dying cat. I honestly didn’t know how I’d get through the 3-day work week with some of the backstabbing nasty women. I figured out a way. I got to work, said hello to everyone politely, then went in my office and shut my door. I only went out of my way to speak to the nice people, and pretty much ignored the others. Of course I have an excuse this week that my cat is dying. But it occurred to me that I don’t need an excuse to do whatever I have to do to protect myself from nasty people.
You have every right to feel outraged, one step! What they do is really unthinkable. I cannot say I’ve “forgiven” that sociopath I encountered. I simply don’t think about him any more. But I would never in a million years consider letting him back into my life in any way, shape, or form.
right on Star!
funny how grief can show us things, make us draw lines in the sand.
how is your cat doing? i went through 2 years of chronic renal failure with my bei. if you want to connect off blog, just let donna know, and she can give you my email address.
take good care.
best,
one step
star – i can turn any good idea against me – and forgiveness is one that i have on many occasions – and it has taken the form of letting people continue to abuse my nature and time and love.
fuck ’em.
star – i guess ‘traditonal wisdom’ got it backwards – better to forget than forgive! HAH!