Although it has been many years and there is a new relationship, a friend of mine still wishes every day that the sociopath that preyed on her will “drop dead.” Wishing and hoping that some horrible end will come for the sociopath takes up time and energy in my friend’s life; as she searches for evidence that something bad has indeed happened to the sociopath and then is disappointed.
Recently, I discussed the topic of forgiving psychopaths with a psychopathy researcher who is not a clinician. He said he received a letter from someone complaining that friends were pressuring the victim to forgive. It was the psychopathy researcher’s opinion that people should NOT be told they have to forgive a psychopath.
Upon reflecting on this opinion, I believe that this psychopathy researcher may have a special insight that informs his view —that psychopaths should not necessarily be forgiven. Perhaps this insight is: in spite of their brain disorder, psychopaths still have a choice about what they do.
My son is now 7, he and I rough and tumble play every day. It is impossible to wrestle and not have some kind of slight hurt come to one or the both of us. From the time he was very young, perhaps as young as 3, my son has appreciated the idea that mommy didn’t “do it on purpose”. If he pokes me in the eye or lands rough on my stomach he’ll say “Sorry, I didn’t do it on purpose.”
This example illustrates our inborn social contract that says we do not hurt each other on purpose. If hurts happen in the course of life, they are usually unintended side effects of other behaviors and so should be forgiven. Cheating on a spouse could even be forgiven as an unintentional hurt if the person succumbed to temptation in a moment of weakness, realized the wrong committed, then repented. Even murder is not punished as much if it is an accident.
The problem with sociopaths is that their behavior is no accident. They hurt people on purpose, carefully planning, then executing their plans. After 7 years of reading research articles and talking to victims, I believe choice is part of a complete explanation of sociopathy and victimization. If you watch any of the TV shows about sociopaths you too will see that the theme of their choices permeates the media.
Friday night, Gangland on the History Channel told the story of Billy Wadd, a member of the Devil’s Disciples motorcycle gang who gained notoriety when he broke the biker’s code of silence and testified against his nephew who murdered a family during a home invasion. Wadd said he decided to aid the prosecution of his nephew, John Wolfenbarger, instead of “taking care of things the usual way” because “You just don’t kill kids.” It is clear he believed these murders were performed with an intention that not even another sociopath could accept, so even sociopaths believe in their own capacities for choice.
Now let’s reconsider whether victims should be told they have to forgive. It seems there is a natural human instinct that says forgiveness is reserved for accidents, unintended consequences, and perhaps intentional slights that are out of character. How then can you ever forgive a psychopath?
Psychopaths have been compared to predators. I think this analogy is seriously flawed. A predator such as a lion or wolf has to kill in order to survive. Psychopaths don’t hurt for survival. They hurt because they want to, because they like hurting. Their enjoyment of hurting increases the likelihood they will choose to hurt if given the opportunity. They also seek out opportunities to hurt -not for survival but for pleasure.
Since sociopaths, with intention, repeatedly violate our inborn social contract, perhaps they should never be forgiven.
Instead of forgiving, I hope, my friend, you will think about all this and thoroughly digest the reality of the sociopath you shared life with. The reality is terrible— you shared life with a truly evil person, someone who regularly, with malice and forethought, chooses to harm others. Don’t stop hoping to see the day the scourge of this evil person’s existence will be wiped from the Earth, but do not waste any more of your time on him.
Luv716 – i honestly did love mine, too. it makes no difference.
focus on yourself and your children.
reading the betrayal bond and doing the exercises in it is helping me to sort things out. and so is posting and reading here and other places.
it’s hard to truly understand how their brains work – i am sure that if we saw inside them it would sever the attachments we carry. you don’t need more salt girl – you need to rise up and care for yourself and your kids. Say ‘NO’ to letting him suck you down any longer. You have to break the spell of believing you are not worthy. You have your life in front of you, lift your head and start walking toward it
I don’t know your circumstances – if you have your basic needs like housing and food met or if you have support around you. if you have a counselor or other professional you are talking to. start working on the things you need to do to make your life better.
he doesn’t matter anymore. he will not be part of your creating a good and meaningful life. give yourself the gift of staying away from him, it will help you to break the spell and the hurt.
You just like me we all has been through break-ups in the past I can’t grasp why this one is so difficult. Is it because they used u in the process or what? The thoughts are always on your mind from what he done to me always! Its like tv-o burnt in my brain I can rewind it, its so vivid like it was yesterday. I just want to forget this hell i was in
luv-it’s not a normal ‘break up’, as it wasn’t a ‘normal’ relationship.
the constant replay is a form of compulsion that keeps us trapped in a very high anxiety state, and it also comes from that very high anxiety state. it is a continuous loop, and you are going to have to take positive action to break it.
have you read anything here about PTSD? that might be useful to help you understand what you are experiencing right now. also, the exercises in the book, the betrayal bond, can help to break the loop. It IS POSSIBLE, to break it and you are the one who has to do it. having contact with him is also keeping you in the loop. as long as you are in contact with him, you are still actually in the hell.
PLEASE…someone remind me again, today…
WHY NO CONTACT…
I know why no contact but need a little boost….Im not wanting to call him, I am having anxiety about Valentines Day–he loved that day. Also, I wanted to get tickets to STOMP, and realized…HE was the one I would do things like that with…
Just need some support…
Babe….
No contact is because you VALUE yourself, your life and your world!
No contact is because you KNOW what pain will come from him being in your life on ANY level!…..Youv’e been there done that….and tell me WHY you think it could be different…..
Oh, yeah….he’s changed…..
Ummmmmm…..NOT!!!!
🙂
Babe…..you can be MY valentine…..how about that!
Valentines day is not for people involved in fantasy….go get those stomp tix…..I saw it and it’s a great show…..you’ll love it.
Let me ask YOU this…..did you ever take a shower with the S?
Okay….i’m sure you may have once or twice…..SO….does that mean, since it was something you had done together……that you will never shower again?????
NO……(slap upside the head….)!!!!!
You drove together in a car….do you walk everywhere now….because of the thoughts of him? NO
You dined out….so do you not go into a restaurant anymore?
NO…….
So, regain your control….and rethink your thoughts…..
Your life is YOUR life……LIVE IT…and do what YOU want…
Stop romantisizing things…..get yourself some chocolates and stomp tix and go and have a WONDERFUL time….FOR YOU!!!!!
(and get in that shower!!!)
XXOO
EB
hey wonderful robxsykobabe!
You go to see stomp and love every minute of the sweet taste of freedom. taste it deep!
please do the loving things you would like to do for another FOR YOURSELF.
Happy Valentine’s to the BEST, most loving and caring person who you can count on in your life: YOU!
No Contact because you deserve better for yourself.
Why did you choose no contact to begin with?
What else besides remembering he loved a certain day and that you would get tickets for you to do things with him…. what else do you remember BAD about him…
ps. robxsy –
Excellent job reaching out for support instead of caving in. Thats a huge sign for you that you really want to stay no contact – but are just struggling with ALL of the NORMAL side effects of going NO CONTACT!! Try to remember the alternative — all the bad stuff about him, the bad treatment, and being in NO BETTER OF A PLACE BY MAKING CONTACT – its just a superficial fix to the mind…does absolutely nothing for your heart and soul…
NO CONTACT heals the heart and soul — the longer you go — and make it over that hump — the better you will be and feel. So proud of you for turning to LF for support! I hope we all follow your lead with that and through the toughest part of the process of NC!!!
GO TO STOMP – I want to hear all about it — anyone else you could invite if you would like some company??
Dear babe,
NO CONTACT is YOUIN CONTROL, if you contact him or let him contact you, you are giving HIM CONTROL.
NC makes YOU STRONG. NC keeps him from re-hurting you!
And, BTW, NC gets EASIER as you go along, believe me it does.
At first it is so hard because you want to TELL THEM OFF, you want to know what they are doing, you want …….
But in the end, NC is where it is at for YOU. It protect YOU.
and also GOOD FOR YOU, TOWANDA! for coming here and not contacting! GOOD JOB!!!! ((((hugs))))) and my prayers for you.
hi guys, i’ve been off for a bit got a little obsessed with Facebook but the novelty is wearing off. I was thinking alot to day about the sociopath and the bad adreniline feeling i get with any contact, not a good adreniline i get from say exercising trying to figure out where all this comes from in me and the desire to get such approval. I know this sounds so simple but it came to me that im always feeling as though im making a pact with the devil. wondering if that is how others feel. Im also keeping an eye on the news in Canada as a very high ranking Colonel has been aprehended for at least 2 sexually related murders and they interviewed the author of Human Hunters i beleive is the name of book, or something similar and he seemed quite astonished that this guy didn’t fit the profile at all except in the manner of arrogance b y leaving one of the bodies on base. Thank God for good policing and i’ts really got me questioning not to mention the military who screen for this type of thing. Should be interesting to hear what his double life has been like as he’s married, she being one of the heads of The Heart and Stroke Foundation in Canada. Dam scary to think he could rise to such a rank and no red flags geez and my son is in training at this moment as a Commissioned Officer and i can honestly say he has more integrity than any man i’ve ever met. There seems to be such a dissonance with people either cold hearted or too emotional at least from where im seeing things. The world sure is a scary place the older i get and im questioning so much lately. love kindheart