Although it has been many years and there is a new relationship, a friend of mine still wishes every day that the sociopath that preyed on her will “drop dead.” Wishing and hoping that some horrible end will come for the sociopath takes up time and energy in my friend’s life; as she searches for evidence that something bad has indeed happened to the sociopath and then is disappointed.
Recently, I discussed the topic of forgiving psychopaths with a psychopathy researcher who is not a clinician. He said he received a letter from someone complaining that friends were pressuring the victim to forgive. It was the psychopathy researcher’s opinion that people should NOT be told they have to forgive a psychopath.
Upon reflecting on this opinion, I believe that this psychopathy researcher may have a special insight that informs his view —that psychopaths should not necessarily be forgiven. Perhaps this insight is: in spite of their brain disorder, psychopaths still have a choice about what they do.
My son is now 7, he and I rough and tumble play every day. It is impossible to wrestle and not have some kind of slight hurt come to one or the both of us. From the time he was very young, perhaps as young as 3, my son has appreciated the idea that mommy didn’t “do it on purpose”. If he pokes me in the eye or lands rough on my stomach he’ll say “Sorry, I didn’t do it on purpose.”
This example illustrates our inborn social contract that says we do not hurt each other on purpose. If hurts happen in the course of life, they are usually unintended side effects of other behaviors and so should be forgiven. Cheating on a spouse could even be forgiven as an unintentional hurt if the person succumbed to temptation in a moment of weakness, realized the wrong committed, then repented. Even murder is not punished as much if it is an accident.
The problem with sociopaths is that their behavior is no accident. They hurt people on purpose, carefully planning, then executing their plans. After 7 years of reading research articles and talking to victims, I believe choice is part of a complete explanation of sociopathy and victimization. If you watch any of the TV shows about sociopaths you too will see that the theme of their choices permeates the media.
Friday night, Gangland on the History Channel told the story of Billy Wadd, a member of the Devil’s Disciples motorcycle gang who gained notoriety when he broke the biker’s code of silence and testified against his nephew who murdered a family during a home invasion. Wadd said he decided to aid the prosecution of his nephew, John Wolfenbarger, instead of “taking care of things the usual way” because “You just don’t kill kids.” It is clear he believed these murders were performed with an intention that not even another sociopath could accept, so even sociopaths believe in their own capacities for choice.
Now let’s reconsider whether victims should be told they have to forgive. It seems there is a natural human instinct that says forgiveness is reserved for accidents, unintended consequences, and perhaps intentional slights that are out of character. How then can you ever forgive a psychopath?
Psychopaths have been compared to predators. I think this analogy is seriously flawed. A predator such as a lion or wolf has to kill in order to survive. Psychopaths don’t hurt for survival. They hurt because they want to, because they like hurting. Their enjoyment of hurting increases the likelihood they will choose to hurt if given the opportunity. They also seek out opportunities to hurt -not for survival but for pleasure.
Since sociopaths, with intention, repeatedly violate our inborn social contract, perhaps they should never be forgiven.
Instead of forgiving, I hope, my friend, you will think about all this and thoroughly digest the reality of the sociopath you shared life with. The reality is terrible— you shared life with a truly evil person, someone who regularly, with malice and forethought, chooses to harm others. Don’t stop hoping to see the day the scourge of this evil person’s existence will be wiped from the Earth, but do not waste any more of your time on him.
gypsydi, you’ve taken the first giant step… facing the truth, and wanting to live you own truth. I am glad you found this website, really great people here, supportive, helpful, wise… they have really helped me a lot!!!!
this is the most crazy-making situation I have ever been in….He lies to everyone with the ease of someone telling the 100% truth !!!!
finally, I know I am sane …..I want out….cannot believe I have gotten myself stuck with no money, no means to walk away.
You guys on this site are my hope….gotta go
okay, this is nuts: 2 posts in the cyber-black-hole, third time’s a charm.
{{{Gypsydi}}} There are international organizations that can help. In the meantime, begin hiding cash and start being as resourceful as you can be.
http://www.hotpeachpages.net/
Be vigilant, Gypsydi…brightest blessings.
Gypsydi,
“He lies to everyone with the ease of someone telling the 100% truth” – that sounds just like my h-spath, lying so easily to me and others. I had never encountered anyone in my life that lied so much – it blew me away, still does. I am constantly disappointed in my h-spath, being fed up with how he operates in life, doing things that the average person would be ashamed of doing, not bothering to change his ways for the better. You just want to get the person out of your life, having relationships with normal individuals who are trustworthy, not criminals. I totally understand, being angry at all the stuff that I have experienced because of him. I hope that you can safely exit from your situation soon, getting away from the toxic person who is in your life. Be safe and put yourself first, taking care of yourself.
I have a client I have worked for for years. Actually I started out working for her husband, who died a few years ago. She is very demanding and controling and never happy with my work but insist that I do the work. I have politley told her I dont have the time and she should find someone else. Well she insist on knowing who else I am working for and why all of a sudden I dont have the time. Out of loyalty to her departed husband I have endured her abuse now for five years..she has more money than she could ever spend but checks my time and reciepts like a tax accountant, she makes me feel like I am tryin to get to her, she counts every flower i plant. She seems to enjoy making me feel bad. Well I had to get kinda blunt with her a few days ago and told her I simply do not want to work for you anymore..well I am upset, cause i thot we were friends, but we never were, i was just her whipping post and i feel like i am the bad guy…this doesnt make sense but had to vent..
hens – ‘i feel like i am the bad guy’ guess taking care of yourself is a bit foreign. this feeling will pass. and you will just be glad for letting go of being her, of being harangued.
yay!
hens,
I’m sorry that you are feeling upset. Setting boundaries is always difficult. But if she makes you always feel bad she wasn’t your friend to begin with. And if she was just a client she can’t pay you enough to be worth feeling bad when your working for her.
You were loyal long enough. Hopefully you can replace her with a nice client 🙂
hens,
I think that there are some people who just don’t know how to treat other human beings, lacking people skills, not being fully aware of how they come across to others. This woman sounds like she’s too controlling – it would be nervewracking to have a customer looking over your shoulder, constantly questioning if you’re on the up-and-up. You were right to cut ties with her – she cannot appreciate anyone’s efforts, making a good personal decision on your end. I hope that you could stop feeling like “the bad guy” because there are some customers that you simply don’t want to do business with. You were being true to yourself, doing what is best for yourself. I hope this helps.
Hi One,
did you finish your spread sheet and what you were working on?
thank you one step – witty – blueJay – I feel better thanks for listening. Boundaries – your right witty it is not a easy thing.