Although it has been many years and there is a new relationship, a friend of mine still wishes every day that the sociopath that preyed on her will “drop dead.” Wishing and hoping that some horrible end will come for the sociopath takes up time and energy in my friend’s life; as she searches for evidence that something bad has indeed happened to the sociopath and then is disappointed.
Recently, I discussed the topic of forgiving psychopaths with a psychopathy researcher who is not a clinician. He said he received a letter from someone complaining that friends were pressuring the victim to forgive. It was the psychopathy researcher’s opinion that people should NOT be told they have to forgive a psychopath.
Upon reflecting on this opinion, I believe that this psychopathy researcher may have a special insight that informs his view —that psychopaths should not necessarily be forgiven. Perhaps this insight is: in spite of their brain disorder, psychopaths still have a choice about what they do.
My son is now 7, he and I rough and tumble play every day. It is impossible to wrestle and not have some kind of slight hurt come to one or the both of us. From the time he was very young, perhaps as young as 3, my son has appreciated the idea that mommy didn’t “do it on purpose”. If he pokes me in the eye or lands rough on my stomach he’ll say “Sorry, I didn’t do it on purpose.”
This example illustrates our inborn social contract that says we do not hurt each other on purpose. If hurts happen in the course of life, they are usually unintended side effects of other behaviors and so should be forgiven. Cheating on a spouse could even be forgiven as an unintentional hurt if the person succumbed to temptation in a moment of weakness, realized the wrong committed, then repented. Even murder is not punished as much if it is an accident.
The problem with sociopaths is that their behavior is no accident. They hurt people on purpose, carefully planning, then executing their plans. After 7 years of reading research articles and talking to victims, I believe choice is part of a complete explanation of sociopathy and victimization. If you watch any of the TV shows about sociopaths you too will see that the theme of their choices permeates the media.
Friday night, Gangland on the History Channel told the story of Billy Wadd, a member of the Devil’s Disciples motorcycle gang who gained notoriety when he broke the biker’s code of silence and testified against his nephew who murdered a family during a home invasion. Wadd said he decided to aid the prosecution of his nephew, John Wolfenbarger, instead of “taking care of things the usual way” because “You just don’t kill kids.” It is clear he believed these murders were performed with an intention that not even another sociopath could accept, so even sociopaths believe in their own capacities for choice.
Now let’s reconsider whether victims should be told they have to forgive. It seems there is a natural human instinct that says forgiveness is reserved for accidents, unintended consequences, and perhaps intentional slights that are out of character. How then can you ever forgive a psychopath?
Psychopaths have been compared to predators. I think this analogy is seriously flawed. A predator such as a lion or wolf has to kill in order to survive. Psychopaths don’t hurt for survival. They hurt because they want to, because they like hurting. Their enjoyment of hurting increases the likelihood they will choose to hurt if given the opportunity. They also seek out opportunities to hurt -not for survival but for pleasure.
Since sociopaths, with intention, repeatedly violate our inborn social contract, perhaps they should never be forgiven.
Instead of forgiving, I hope, my friend, you will think about all this and thoroughly digest the reality of the sociopath you shared life with. The reality is terrible— you shared life with a truly evil person, someone who regularly, with malice and forethought, chooses to harm others. Don’t stop hoping to see the day the scourge of this evil person’s existence will be wiped from the Earth, but do not waste any more of your time on him.
Hens….
I relate to your feeling of not being able to please a client!
And it does SUCK! You try so hard, even give em a break at times…..and you still get THIS!
If you believe in yourself…..and the work you do……there WILL be another client just around the corner who you will ‘click’ with and who adores the work you do….and have no problem paying you for your services….WITHOUT question!
When money is tight…..the burden hits…..we take all work that comes around…..but a person like this…isn’t worth the hassle.
I had a client who comes and goes…..I did her wedding and she was thrilled…..she baits me with….OH….all my friends will use you…yadayada….I”VE YET to get one person call me who she’s referred!
She butchered my bill….inch by inch….questioning EVERYTHING…..and Ididn’t even charge her for everything….
I felt so cheated, and I gave my heart and soul to this damn wedding…..
Finally she paid…..months later…….and she waited about a year to have me do something else for her….went well….SAME THING….
Very tiring!
BUT…..OUT OF THE BLUE….spath started jumping thier gates to enter the properties asking for CHARACTER REFERENCES (after I filed the TPO)……hit up ALL our rich clients……same fashion…..
I’d get calls left and right asking ‘IS HE ON DRUGS”……
Welll…..hmmmmm
anyways….this woman called me and asked if I needed anything…..I was VERY RELUCTANT…..but I needed a witness….to stand by…..simple….but she JUMPED at it….
She called, we went to lunch, became more ‘friendly’…..I saw a different side of her…..female connection…..something I NEVER thought she’d offer ME.
She did!
I do a fundraiser (she’s a networker type, so I always question her motives)….every year and then NOTHING……
So the other day she called and left a message for me…..she read in the paper about spaths bust…..(I had told her when we separated, WHY), and her message was very kind…..saying she saw the article and wanted to know how me and kids were and that she was thinking of us and wanted me to know MY friends never questioned me and are here for support and friendship??!?!?!
She was glad that the validation and his arrest finally happened and she was gonna spread the ‘word’ to my winter ‘out of town’ clients……before they got back into town…..to make sure they all knew We were divorced and THIS was why…..
I was blown away…..I have never been able to read this woman…..sometimes I think she hates me or questions me or my work…..and I’m ripping her off….and sometimes she’s my BFF??!!
So…….I just take her for what it is….(not exactly sure) and let her come to me.
So…….we just never know….
Glad you were honest with your lady…..I think sometimes people have NO IDEA how they come off and need to be slapped upside the head once in awhile……..
Don’t let her get you down!!!!
Dear Henry
“I feel like I am the bad guy” BOINK!!!!!!! BOINK!!!!! You ARE the “bad guy” for not standing up to this old biddy!
You and I have had this discussion before me thinks, and I told you then and I tell you again! You are paid to do her YARD not take her CHIT!
This old bat is NOT your “friend” and never has been, she looks at you like Leona Helmsley looked at her employees, like slaves or chit beneath her control!
For her to act like you are trying to cheat her IS EMOTIONAL ABUSE, and lyou know it and so does she, and she gets off on making you feel “bad” but you are going to QUIT feeling bad about this old biddy or I will cyber boink your head into a griddle it is going to be so flat on top!
I quit the highest paying job I ever had because the boss (I had been warned she was a psychopath but didn’t believe it) screamed at me and treated me like some neigthbor’s dog that had chewed up her trash! I turned in my resignation the next day. In writing, without a word to her. She came back to me after she got it and said, “Oh, Oxy I think we need to talk” My only comment was “You said enough for both of us yesterday.” (or words to that effect)
I found out that this boss had done every employee in the place the same way she did me, but I quit because there are limits to how I would be treated for money…yea, I know, I was a “whore” to my family but at least my family pretended to love me! LOL I never would whore myself out for money, but wow, would I ever do it for fake “Love.” Actually I think I could have respected my past behavior more if I had sold my body for money than my soul for “love.” LOL
hens, TOWANDA dude!!!
hi Ox and Erin yes ox this is the same old biddy i am talkin about. Actually she loves my work but would never admit it. I have no problems finding other client’s. I am just loyal to a fault. She is just pissed that I will not cater to her every whim for next to nothing. She’s a narcissist with an attitude, one of those people that think’s she is better jus cause she has money, she is all about class. thanx all for the input
Hi…..back again…does anybody know how I feel????
I hate all of this…I HATE him….How could anybody do this to someone?????
He wanted to know everything about my past…..and then he used it to play me so he could get everything He wanted!!!!!!!
Including my policeman father who tried to kill me….and now in this country Belize where everyone is crooked….he called the police on me….for NO reason…this is all true….No drinking…no drugs….(he hates it when I am clean and sober) I just want to scream!!!!! I an staying cool…the hardest thing is…I want to get back at him SOOOO BAD…..I want to play his game and win……but I know I can’t….he is tooo good of a player……everybody likes him…and thinks I AM THE BAD PERSON!!!!!!!!
The insanity I am dealing with alone is almost too much….I got meotta go again…..my safety level is non-existent right now….the phone is off….he took all cash….he is in cahoots with crooked police….and my strongest drive is not to get out…it is to bring him down……with everything he taught me…..I feel like I have no more anything inside to do anything that would get me back on the right track…..I feel overrun and hateful and vindictive and alone.
I sound like a sorry-ass VICTIM….and that is not me…..there has got to be something I can do
Ahhh…..Fark her!
🙂
Thanks for this article Dr Leedom..
http://narc-attack.blogspot.com/2008/03/healing-and-forgiveness.html
I highly recommend reading Kathy Krajco’s article on the topic of forgiveness as well, for those of you who haven’t come across it.
Dear Henry,,
Darlink, yes, it makes her “feel superior” to treat you that way, but if it bothers you, then all you have to do is to let a boundry!
Tell her something along the line of “Helen, you seem dissatisfied with my work so I will refer you to Joe Blow who does land scaping” Then tell Joe to come over and give her an estimate that is 2-3 times what you work for!
Or, the other possiblity is to mail out a “form letter” to her (don’t send it to your other customers) with a letter that says “Dear Customers of Henry’s land Care” I am sorry to have to inform you that I must raise my rates for landscaping and lawn care from X to Y in order to stay in business, effective 6-1-2010.”
Or, the other option is to just let it go in one ear and out the other, realizing she is just an old witch.
Gypsydi:
Welcome to LF…..
YES….I know how you feel…..most of us do…..we’ve all been there, some still, some kinda, some not…..
You need to focus on YOU right now….allow the thoughts, process them…keep yourself safe and plot an exit!
Are you belizian?
Or are you a transplant American?
Is he local?
I’ve spent some time in San Ignacio……and had a GF on Ambergris.
I’m sorry to ask such questions, but I am semi familiar with the culture in Belize…….
Don’t answer if you don’t feel safe.
It’ll just give me a bit of guidance in ‘how’ I approach my answers to your questions.
He’s gaslighting you……DON”T FALL INTO IT. or you WILL appear to be the crazy one….you must gain control of yourself…..and allow the process….to happen.
Henry:
Just because someone has money does not mean they have class.
This lady client of yours proves my point.
People like her are common, and there are plenty more out there just like her.
Anytime you are in business or dealing with the general public, you will run into people like that.
That’s the beauty of working for yourself.
YOU can decide when you’ve had enough, and cut ties with toxic clients anytime you want.