Although it has been many years and there is a new relationship, a friend of mine still wishes every day that the sociopath that preyed on her will “drop dead.” Wishing and hoping that some horrible end will come for the sociopath takes up time and energy in my friend’s life; as she searches for evidence that something bad has indeed happened to the sociopath and then is disappointed.
Recently, I discussed the topic of forgiving psychopaths with a psychopathy researcher who is not a clinician. He said he received a letter from someone complaining that friends were pressuring the victim to forgive. It was the psychopathy researcher’s opinion that people should NOT be told they have to forgive a psychopath.
Upon reflecting on this opinion, I believe that this psychopathy researcher may have a special insight that informs his view —that psychopaths should not necessarily be forgiven. Perhaps this insight is: in spite of their brain disorder, psychopaths still have a choice about what they do.
My son is now 7, he and I rough and tumble play every day. It is impossible to wrestle and not have some kind of slight hurt come to one or the both of us. From the time he was very young, perhaps as young as 3, my son has appreciated the idea that mommy didn’t “do it on purpose”. If he pokes me in the eye or lands rough on my stomach he’ll say “Sorry, I didn’t do it on purpose.”
This example illustrates our inborn social contract that says we do not hurt each other on purpose. If hurts happen in the course of life, they are usually unintended side effects of other behaviors and so should be forgiven. Cheating on a spouse could even be forgiven as an unintentional hurt if the person succumbed to temptation in a moment of weakness, realized the wrong committed, then repented. Even murder is not punished as much if it is an accident.
The problem with sociopaths is that their behavior is no accident. They hurt people on purpose, carefully planning, then executing their plans. After 7 years of reading research articles and talking to victims, I believe choice is part of a complete explanation of sociopathy and victimization. If you watch any of the TV shows about sociopaths you too will see that the theme of their choices permeates the media.
Friday night, Gangland on the History Channel told the story of Billy Wadd, a member of the Devil’s Disciples motorcycle gang who gained notoriety when he broke the biker’s code of silence and testified against his nephew who murdered a family during a home invasion. Wadd said he decided to aid the prosecution of his nephew, John Wolfenbarger, instead of “taking care of things the usual way” because “You just don’t kill kids.” It is clear he believed these murders were performed with an intention that not even another sociopath could accept, so even sociopaths believe in their own capacities for choice.
Now let’s reconsider whether victims should be told they have to forgive. It seems there is a natural human instinct that says forgiveness is reserved for accidents, unintended consequences, and perhaps intentional slights that are out of character. How then can you ever forgive a psychopath?
Psychopaths have been compared to predators. I think this analogy is seriously flawed. A predator such as a lion or wolf has to kill in order to survive. Psychopaths don’t hurt for survival. They hurt because they want to, because they like hurting. Their enjoyment of hurting increases the likelihood they will choose to hurt if given the opportunity. They also seek out opportunities to hurt -not for survival but for pleasure.
Since sociopaths, with intention, repeatedly violate our inborn social contract, perhaps they should never be forgiven.
Instead of forgiving, I hope, my friend, you will think about all this and thoroughly digest the reality of the sociopath you shared life with. The reality is terrible— you shared life with a truly evil person, someone who regularly, with malice and forethought, chooses to harm others. Don’t stop hoping to see the day the scourge of this evil person’s existence will be wiped from the Earth, but do not waste any more of your time on him.
Ox and Candy:
Ox:
You know what? I hadn’t even thought of him taking the rack in the context of ‘getting back at me for taking the keys.” How on earth could he ‘think’ he was ‘gettign back at me’ for taking MY keys to MY house!! There are ‘themes’ which have run through this relationship, and interestingly, the ‘keys’ have been one of them! When he FIRST would leave, HE’D “leave’ the keys on the table. I NEVER asked for them back! EVER! But he would leave them and come back and ASK for them back. Ok, fine! This time is the ONLY time I have EVER directly and specifically ASKED for them back. BBwwwhhhhhhaaaaahhhhaaaaahhhaaahhhaaa…ok, sorry…
This explains his ‘response’ towards me when I not only ASKED for them back, but I STOOD MY GROUND! HE REALLY BELIEVED HE HAD A ‘RIGHT’ TO THEM…TO MY HOUSE!
Candy:
And this leads me into your post 🙂 Yeah…so much makes sense to me today. He DID take over and try and OWN MY stuff! God! Thats what Ive been trying to articulate about after him moving in and having his son here…and ME feeling like the THIRD WHEEL IN MY OWN HOME when his son was here! My ex was VERY particular with requesting I refer to ‘my’ condo as ‘our’ condo…because ‘it kinda hurts my feelings when you dont. It feels like Im not welcome.” He though had no problems referring to the bills as MY bills.
GEEZ LOUISE this is so clear right now. The FOG certainly was NOT as heavy THIS time around…thank god!
And, again…I chuckle to myself thinking about how he’s ‘punished’ me this time…”if you dont release my phone number then Im going to get a new phone and number”—WHO CARES!!! That hurt ME none! Or how about “when you start acting better, youll get the response you want.” SCREW YOU! Im not a kid! And, alas…the stealing! He in essence said to me (think with a 5 year olds tone here) “OH YEAH…WELL, IF YOU WONT GIVE ME WHATS YOURS TO BEGIN WITH THEN ILL SHOW YOU AND TAKE SOMETHING OF YOURS…HHMMPPHH…TAKE THAT!”
Boy, he sure showed me! Now…on to drink green beers!
Dear R-babe,
You are catching on chickie! LOL ROTFLMAO Yea, he sure showed you, huh? Stole a bike rack! LOL That ought to set him up for LIFE NOW SHOULDN’T IT! LOL He sure showed you!
You got out CHEAP at that though! So just count your lucky stars and your blessings cause the creep is GONE!!!!! Release his phone number bahwwwwwwaaaaaaa hahahahahaha choke snort snarf! Yep, he sureeeee showed you! Amazing what we see when the FOG lifts (fear, obligation and guilt!)
Babe,
LOVE IT!!! Hysterical.
The things your spath has said read JUST LIKE MINE. OUt of the same textbook for pete’s sake!
BASTARD (s) 😉
You’re doing SO GOOD!!
LL
Funny,
I just read this article again. This is THE very thing that I’ve been working so hard to absorb that will push me over the edge into acceptance, rather than vacillation.
It’s so hard to have been, right in the presence of spath and not SEE what he is. I was thinking about this last night, as I was reading “Women who love psychopaths”….that once the women get the idea integrated that he is PATHOLOGICAL, RE: VERY SICK AND CANNOT CHANGE, THAT HE IS DISORDERED< this helps a great deal with acceptance and moving on….
My spath was gorgeous. The most beautiful smile in the whole world. He didn't "look" like a spath. His face radiated joy and energy, because of that stupid smile. It was when he wasn't that I saw the cold eyes. It was his behaviors, eccentricities I'd never seen before in anyone else, that showed me he was spath. I see him as a human being, capable of love and care. The smile would STILL annihilate me emotionally, so this idea that he is disordered is a very difficult thing to accept. They look SO NORMAL. Part of the problem, I realized, is that they DO look so normal and can "function" in society. Only when intimately involved or close enough to see his behaviors would one think something was wrong. VERY wrong. With other disorders, things are a bit more obvious. The things you can really SEE at first site. This is why it's so difficult for me to integrate this information, even with all that I KNOW.
LL
My SIL emailed me, very upset. My spath daughter,{his wife, still not divorced after 5 years separation} had told the Dept. of Comm. services that she had the 3 kids 50-50.
She does not,he has had them FT for the last 4 years.
The reason she told this lie is , he is trying to get some child support from her. as he has to basically pay for everything, and with 2 teenagers, its expensive.
She writes articles for a Mag called Travelling with kids, and in her latest article she talks about her “significant other”,and their “blended family”, about living on the North shore,{V. exclusive area}. She talks about her 13 year old son asking her if they can camp in the back yard, and so on.
What she omitted to say was
MY SIL has the kids Full time, but she babysits her own kids at weekendsin his house, so he can go see his girlfriend. So, Spath D brings her “Significant other to sleep with her in my SILS bed, eat HIS food in HIS house, with lover boy!
In reality she rents ONE ROOM ofa shared flat,{condo} and the kid bunk beds are in store.
I mentioned the article to my SIL who read it, and now will not let lover boy sleep in his bed. So, what does she do? She takes lover boy back to her one bed flat, leaves her 13 year old son on his own with 2 mates the same age, unsupervised! Palms off the 9 year old girl with friends.
My SIL was hopping mad when he got home.
These low lifes lie like they breathe!
Beyond belief!
Only a matter of time before the new lover boy finds out he is being screwed in other ways as well, unless of course he is a lso a spath!
Watch his space!
Love,
Mama gemXX
Dear Gem,
I’m sorry darling that all this is happening, but maybe SIL will finally get the idea that he cannot TRUST the wench, do you think?
I suggest that he quit leaving the kids alone with her AT ALL….maybe even not let her see them until she pays some money for support. I actually don’t think he qualifies as FATHER OF THE YEAR EITHER…better than her, but NOT any brain surgeon himself if his huge debt and other stuff is any indication of his reliability.
This is YOUR PROBLEM, HOW, THOUGH? You can do WHAT about it? Thought so. (((hugs)))) My prayers.
Your right as usual, Oxy! NMP,–not my problem. I have to learn to let them sort out their own home grown messes,and concentrate on my own spath free life! Sounds good to me!
{{{HUGS!!}}}
Mama Gem.XX
Yea, Gem, they never cease to amaze me with the messes they get themselves in. Your SIL doesn’t sound like a psychopath to me just a dysfunctional IDIJUT who doesn’t have sense enough to manage his money or anything else. He is of course a cut above your X-dtr as a parent, but that ain’t saying much now is it?
YOu know psychopathy is the “gift that keeps on giving” and giving and giving—from one generation to another. Not only do your GK have a P for a mother but they have an idiot for a father, so they sort of got the worst of both worlds…and all because of your X husband, God rest his miserable soul–passing on the genetics and the misery to go with it right on down to the next generations…and so it goes.
We have NO idea when we procreate that we are passing on such a legacy to our offspring, and I am just grateful that I don’t have grandchildren. (yet at least) I hope the genes stop with my two biological sons in this branch of the family anyway.
Yea, Oxy, when the nurse puts this beautiful baby into your arms,lovely pink cheeks, lots of hair, fat, dimpled, you are SO proud of yourself! What a clever girl I am!
And you get to enjoy that child usually till it hits Puberty, THEN all hell breaks loose!
Its not our fault, its a bit like putting your hand in a bran tub,{remember we did that at Halloween? Well we did in Scotland, anyway!} You get to pull out a gift, you dont know what it is till you pull it out and unwrap it.
I remember a funny cartoon, this nurse hands new born baby to Mother, Mother says,
“Oh, I didnt know I had to take it home!” LOL!!
We did the very best we could, and its NOT OUR FAULT if they turn into spaths.!!Only responsible for half their genetic make up.
Love,
Mama GemXX
LL-
Yup…yup…yup…if and when you are able to ‘view’ him as being THE sickness rather than ‘being’ sick you may be able to ‘see’ better whats happened.
Let me try an explain…as I said earlier, if you see him as being COMPOSED of a sickness, meaning-composition:the physical make up of a substance; you may be able to comprehend what you are dealing with.
For example: If he HAD cancer, you may say to yourself about his ‘inability to walk”…”the cancer tumor has pressed against his spine, causing paralysis.” His inability to walk would not be CAUSED by YOU or anything else OUTSIDE HIMSELF…no matter how much of a ‘bitch’ you were, or the ‘tone’ you used with him, or how you ‘disappointed’ him with setting boundaries.
Nope, his inability to walk (i.e.=feel true emotion, connect, be vulnerable, ect) was CAUSED by what was INSIDE of him…what was ALWAYS THERE, (the cancer) just dormant (for whatever reason). It is true with the sociopath/psychopath..EXCEPT THAT they have a CHOICE on how to ‘respond’ to the ‘cancer’…and they CHOOSE the path of abuse!
The path of abuse has ‘worked’ for them in MANY cases with MANY differnet people. They may have ‘maksed’ the abuse by the ‘perception’ they implanted in others or by their ‘conniving’ ways. The fact remains though…THEY HAVE THE CHOICE TO DO WHAT THEY DO (and in essence, they have the ability to SHOW what they ‘want’ to show). They ULTIMATELY will choose evil…
Just remember what my ‘ex’s’ adoptive mother said to him…
“I dont know what it is that you ‘have’, but I wish you would use whatever ‘it’ is for good rather than evil.”
We KNOW what the ‘it’ factor is…unexplainable unless you’ve SEEN it first hand…
They ALWAYS choose to use it for ‘evil’ though…its MUCH, MUCH easier that way.