Although it has been many years and there is a new relationship, a friend of mine still wishes every day that the sociopath that preyed on her will “drop dead.” Wishing and hoping that some horrible end will come for the sociopath takes up time and energy in my friend’s life; as she searches for evidence that something bad has indeed happened to the sociopath and then is disappointed.
Recently, I discussed the topic of forgiving psychopaths with a psychopathy researcher who is not a clinician. He said he received a letter from someone complaining that friends were pressuring the victim to forgive. It was the psychopathy researcher’s opinion that people should NOT be told they have to forgive a psychopath.
Upon reflecting on this opinion, I believe that this psychopathy researcher may have a special insight that informs his view —that psychopaths should not necessarily be forgiven. Perhaps this insight is: in spite of their brain disorder, psychopaths still have a choice about what they do.
My son is now 7, he and I rough and tumble play every day. It is impossible to wrestle and not have some kind of slight hurt come to one or the both of us. From the time he was very young, perhaps as young as 3, my son has appreciated the idea that mommy didn’t “do it on purpose”. If he pokes me in the eye or lands rough on my stomach he’ll say “Sorry, I didn’t do it on purpose.”
This example illustrates our inborn social contract that says we do not hurt each other on purpose. If hurts happen in the course of life, they are usually unintended side effects of other behaviors and so should be forgiven. Cheating on a spouse could even be forgiven as an unintentional hurt if the person succumbed to temptation in a moment of weakness, realized the wrong committed, then repented. Even murder is not punished as much if it is an accident.
The problem with sociopaths is that their behavior is no accident. They hurt people on purpose, carefully planning, then executing their plans. After 7 years of reading research articles and talking to victims, I believe choice is part of a complete explanation of sociopathy and victimization. If you watch any of the TV shows about sociopaths you too will see that the theme of their choices permeates the media.
Friday night, Gangland on the History Channel told the story of Billy Wadd, a member of the Devil’s Disciples motorcycle gang who gained notoriety when he broke the biker’s code of silence and testified against his nephew who murdered a family during a home invasion. Wadd said he decided to aid the prosecution of his nephew, John Wolfenbarger, instead of “taking care of things the usual way” because “You just don’t kill kids.” It is clear he believed these murders were performed with an intention that not even another sociopath could accept, so even sociopaths believe in their own capacities for choice.
Now let’s reconsider whether victims should be told they have to forgive. It seems there is a natural human instinct that says forgiveness is reserved for accidents, unintended consequences, and perhaps intentional slights that are out of character. How then can you ever forgive a psychopath?
Psychopaths have been compared to predators. I think this analogy is seriously flawed. A predator such as a lion or wolf has to kill in order to survive. Psychopaths don’t hurt for survival. They hurt because they want to, because they like hurting. Their enjoyment of hurting increases the likelihood they will choose to hurt if given the opportunity. They also seek out opportunities to hurt -not for survival but for pleasure.
Since sociopaths, with intention, repeatedly violate our inborn social contract, perhaps they should never be forgiven.
Instead of forgiving, I hope, my friend, you will think about all this and thoroughly digest the reality of the sociopath you shared life with. The reality is terrible— you shared life with a truly evil person, someone who regularly, with malice and forethought, chooses to harm others. Don’t stop hoping to see the day the scourge of this evil person’s existence will be wiped from the Earth, but do not waste any more of your time on him.
Yes Oxy,
I liken that to managing my travel security. I accept that I can’t be perfectly safe so what I do is make myself a harder target so that thieves select other prey. AND. Knowing I can still get trapped, I have knowledge what to do to escape and recover.
Ox,
You raise a very good point and one that is somewhat discouraging in trying to understand psychopaths and what they do, but more so all others you outlined, drunks, addicts, dishonesty, etc….doesn’t that pretty much wipe out three quarters of the population????
One of the things I’m seeing CLEARLY is how small my circle has become because of the toxic ingredients they have that is intolerable. For example, this friend of mine who said what she did the other day. She is NOT without empathy, but I DO believe that because she’s giving me unwanted info about my ex spath that she is therefore, TOXIC to me and I cannot be her “Friend” any longer. It’s not that I don’t care about any of these people I’ve had to extricate from my existence, it’s just that it’s not healthy for me anymore. As long as there is NO CONTACT, I can work on what I need to work on.
This thread has been a good education in self care in realizing that the answers can’t come from the outside, but must come from within, although outside (education, wisdom of others), helps me to introspect further and find the answers FOR MYSELF that I can LIVE with. I’m learning to respect my process. What works for me or has for others that doesn’t for me, is okay.
I accept that this search for answers is where I’m at right now.
I appreciate your wisdom and input.
LL
Eva, So correct. Lack of studs is a sorry state of being.
Worse is being an old fat frog so that even if it were raining studs, even carrying my own paper bag doesn’t change the equation. 🙂
I do envy those who have enjoyed being sexually desireable. Not bad envy, am glad for them to find a connection. But at least I birthed a gorgeous girl and got to watch the twits drool b/c she chose her guys based on character.
Katy,
I think I might have missed something. Are you a child of a disordered person? My apologies, I know what you’ve said about your ex, but not about your background.
Katy you are correct about not having a frame of reference as a child, but I DID know that something wasn’t right, absolutely knew it. I just couldn’t IDENTIFY WHAT. It’s very similar in feeling to ALL of my spaths, even if it was “familiar”.
I would not say I was a “normal” kid given the abuse that was inflicted beginning at such a young age, in fact, I had an awareness that something wasn’t right with me, that I was responding to something negative, but I wasn’t allowed to speak of it. When I did, I was punished for it, SEVERELY. I learned NOT to talk about it. Internalizing is accurate, given the shut down I was subjected too in order to keep the fam skeletons in the closet. I was also denied help, after a time (in the form of therapy) because my spath father, I believe, did not want to be “outed”, so to speak.
Looking back, there was nothing normal about my childhood, but interestingly, this was different as I observed my sister live a completely different experience with her exposure to spaths. Just a “normal” kid who was allowed to be such. She’s as spathy as they come. Given every opportunity by spath daddy to excel as well as underscoring her positive “traits”.
LL
LL
LL, You observed something very smart. Yep. Most of the population is ELIMINATED as possible intimates for one reason or another..How many REAL friends do your have? It’s possible to have 1000’s; look at facebook. But when you REAALLY choose who gets to enter your inner circle, it’s VERY few and even those are not permanent. THAT’s normal. and healthy.
Katy, being sexually desireable is pleasant but it has nothing to do with being loved.
And if there were a raining of studs in excess they would not be fussy. Anyway, the problem with men nowadays is not just that they prefer young and pretty women, is that they want it all, they want superwoman. And this must be our fault for not kicking their mouths on time…..Those assholes….
Yes LL. We had that conversation long ago.
I am alone, no family other than my child FOR A REASON. My father the thief and pedophile? And he was the good parent? I grew up untouched except for sexual abuse and beatings?
Dear Katy,
LOL your comment about “raining studs” made me think of one of my favorite jokes about “studs”—a play on words as a 2″x4″ board 8 ft long is a “stud”—anyway, too long a joke to put on here, but made me think of it and smile.
As far as “raining studs” being raining down good looking guys, I can relate to that for sure as well…Even if I had a BUCKET or a TUB I’m not sure I would catch one! LOL But I had my day and “ahhhh the memories!” Now I’m just a “dirty old lady” hiding behind the mask of “everyone’s grandma”—I wanna be Kathy Bates when I grow up! Actually, I’m thinner than she is now and with my new bouncy hair do looking pretty good.
Say speaking of bouncy hair— where are EB and One/Joy? I hope the bear didn’t get EB and I hope One’s sexy black dress was a hit at the event!
Katy,
Well, the inner circle is VERY FEW. Lots of “acquaintances” (“friends”), but NOT apart of the inner circle. And as I eliminated all of those who were toxic, I had even less than few 🙂
Yeah Eva, you know what I discovered? Male fat frogs are angry that the babes don’t want them, they are NOT grateful for loving female frogs.