Although it has been many years and there is a new relationship, a friend of mine still wishes every day that the sociopath that preyed on her will “drop dead.” Wishing and hoping that some horrible end will come for the sociopath takes up time and energy in my friend’s life; as she searches for evidence that something bad has indeed happened to the sociopath and then is disappointed.
Recently, I discussed the topic of forgiving psychopaths with a psychopathy researcher who is not a clinician. He said he received a letter from someone complaining that friends were pressuring the victim to forgive. It was the psychopathy researcher’s opinion that people should NOT be told they have to forgive a psychopath.
Upon reflecting on this opinion, I believe that this psychopathy researcher may have a special insight that informs his view —that psychopaths should not necessarily be forgiven. Perhaps this insight is: in spite of their brain disorder, psychopaths still have a choice about what they do.
My son is now 7, he and I rough and tumble play every day. It is impossible to wrestle and not have some kind of slight hurt come to one or the both of us. From the time he was very young, perhaps as young as 3, my son has appreciated the idea that mommy didn’t “do it on purpose”. If he pokes me in the eye or lands rough on my stomach he’ll say “Sorry, I didn’t do it on purpose.”
This example illustrates our inborn social contract that says we do not hurt each other on purpose. If hurts happen in the course of life, they are usually unintended side effects of other behaviors and so should be forgiven. Cheating on a spouse could even be forgiven as an unintentional hurt if the person succumbed to temptation in a moment of weakness, realized the wrong committed, then repented. Even murder is not punished as much if it is an accident.
The problem with sociopaths is that their behavior is no accident. They hurt people on purpose, carefully planning, then executing their plans. After 7 years of reading research articles and talking to victims, I believe choice is part of a complete explanation of sociopathy and victimization. If you watch any of the TV shows about sociopaths you too will see that the theme of their choices permeates the media.
Friday night, Gangland on the History Channel told the story of Billy Wadd, a member of the Devil’s Disciples motorcycle gang who gained notoriety when he broke the biker’s code of silence and testified against his nephew who murdered a family during a home invasion. Wadd said he decided to aid the prosecution of his nephew, John Wolfenbarger, instead of “taking care of things the usual way” because “You just don’t kill kids.” It is clear he believed these murders were performed with an intention that not even another sociopath could accept, so even sociopaths believe in their own capacities for choice.
Now let’s reconsider whether victims should be told they have to forgive. It seems there is a natural human instinct that says forgiveness is reserved for accidents, unintended consequences, and perhaps intentional slights that are out of character. How then can you ever forgive a psychopath?
Psychopaths have been compared to predators. I think this analogy is seriously flawed. A predator such as a lion or wolf has to kill in order to survive. Psychopaths don’t hurt for survival. They hurt because they want to, because they like hurting. Their enjoyment of hurting increases the likelihood they will choose to hurt if given the opportunity. They also seek out opportunities to hurt -not for survival but for pleasure.
Since sociopaths, with intention, repeatedly violate our inborn social contract, perhaps they should never be forgiven.
Instead of forgiving, I hope, my friend, you will think about all this and thoroughly digest the reality of the sociopath you shared life with. The reality is terrible— you shared life with a truly evil person, someone who regularly, with malice and forethought, chooses to harm others. Don’t stop hoping to see the day the scourge of this evil person’s existence will be wiped from the Earth, but do not waste any more of your time on him.
SKY – are you here?
One Joy Step,
Yes, I know about scents making people sneeze and feel awful around them. In yoga if someone wore perfume it was horrible…We asked people not to wear any scents at all. They make me sneeze. I did not know about severe chemical reactions till I met you and became informed.
I don’t think she disgarded you at all. She’s thinking about herself! She probably feels self-conscous about the mold/dust thing at her office. It was rude of her not to even ask you if there was anything that could be done…
You took the risk..Yay! So, it didn’t work out with this roomie. The next one will work out. I think you made big strides, don’t you??? You should feel proud of youself because you took care of your needs, without offending her. She chose to move. At least you made it known what your needs were and explained it all.
I can see how this would be triggering to you. Try not to let her hurt you feel bads. It just didn’t work out..I’m here for ya 🙂
One, we posted over each other. I also like living with someone, and during the 8 months that my son D was gone and I was here alone after my husband’s death, it felt STRANGE to live here by myself…and I realized that except for short periods of time since I was a kid, I had always had a roommate, kids, a husband and kids, or a husband living with me in the same house. It took about 4 months to get over the feeling of the strangeness, and I literally paced the floor feeling like a BB in a box car in this house which is pretty good sized actually, but not “huge” by most standards. After the first 4 months, I got used to it and actually started to enjoy being here by myself, just me and the dogs.
Since D has been back since then and is only gone for about 2 months out of the summer (and not too far away in miles, only about 15 miles) I actually enjoy those months of not having to cook or even get out of bed except to let the dog out if I don’t want to. LOL But it does keep me from traveling overnight because of the critters that need feeding and watering if he isn’t here to take care of that while I’m gone.
I enjoy knowing that there is someone I can call if I get stranded on the road etc. so our living together is a symbiotic arrangement and he is a GREAT roommate actually and a great friend as well. I also enjoy his friends coming over for the weekend frequently and am happy that they are willing to include the old woman in their card games, movie watching and music. We actually have a wide variety of friends together and separately and ages range from 7 to 87 and my friends also enjoy his company as well.
We went to the home of a friend of mine the other day, she is raising her granddaughter who is age 7 and is simply the MOST DELIGHTFUL CHILD and we sat outside in the wonderful crisp fall weather and I watched my friend’s granddaughter play ball with my son, and I’m not sure who was having the most fun, him or the child. The grandmother and I were both laughing and enjoying their joy at just tossing a big beach ball back and forth.
It doesn’t take much in this life to find JOY in simple things, but I also realize that we have to SEEK OUT these opportunities for peace and joy!
You HAVE been healing and seeking out more joy lately, and I’ve seen progress in your healing and in finding that peace and joy! Keep on the path toward doing that. This IS A SET BACK OF SORTS, but don’t let it send you spiraling back to the bottom. If this roomie situation didn’t work out, FIND ONE WHICH WILL. REACH out. I guarantee that if my son took off tomorrow or went somewhere else to live, I’d find another roomie, and if that one didn’t work out, I’d keep on looking til I found one that DID WORK OUT. I realized I enjoy having someone around, someone compatible that is, and I know he is not the ONLY person in the world I would enjoy sharing living space with.
Now, Chin up girlie! Don’t make me get the skillet out, this is one that can be handled by the WHISK BROOM!!! Whisk, whisk! (((hugs)))
Hi, Ana,
Went to a friend of mine the other day who is a massage therapist, and she worked over my son D’s shoulders and upper back. He has had problems with it ever since the aircraft crash 7 years ago. It is “only” the muscles though, thank goodness. We did the MRI and all that to check out any really pinched nerves etc. and she is really really good! I thought about you while we were there. I sure wish you lived close by!@.......
thanks ana – so well put. 🙂
i just feel so crap. 🙁
okay, the world isn’t evil, she wasn’t a spath – but i know she is hiding something – probably just her discomfort and anger. and yes, it was ‘rude’.
thanks for reminding me of the whisk oxy. 😉
i can’t take another risk right now. need some time to heal physically and find my adamant again. she was going to be here for three months – that would have been good. I only want someone short term right now. i need to baby step my way back into life. 2 steps forward, 1 back. repeat.
Hi Oxy,
Yep, me too! I’d trade massage for farming info any day of the week. Thank God he didn’t have worse injuries from the plane crash.
Did she use her elbows??? Have YOU gotten a massage lately? I have a traveling massage table..don’t make me come there…lolol
Hi One Joy,
This is a difficult situation to decipher without being there. Yes, she may have very good boundaries and may feel put upon because of this unexpected development.
But lets forget about her for a moment and talk more about you. Ana and Oxy are right, you are getting more brave and taking more risks. You are thinking you are not as vulnerable as you were. That’s a good thing. Maybe you need to add some more things to your arsenal of protection.
I can tell that you are still sensitive, not just to molds to to people. Your thick skin isn’t quite there yet. You are taking things personally, that maybe are not. I wish everyone was as sensitive as you and I are (and most of LF) because then we would all be bending over backwards trying not to step on any toes. But that’s not the case. Most people will defend their right to “look out for number 1” as my BF says.
So anyway, try to do the same. In this situation, you are trying to bend over backwards, even sacrificing your health for the sake of a relationship with someone whom you grew to like very quickly. HEY! YOU DON’T HAVE TO!!! This is a bad habit for you and I. We will sacrifice for the sake of friendship. THAT is one thing I learned that I have to stop doing. Only spaths expect that. So it’s a red flag that you can control.
You can still be her friend, if in fact it turns out that you have things in common. Tell her that. She doesn’t have to live with you to be your friend. You don’t have to sacrifice your health for anyone.
So how about you advertise for a roomate with MCS? Someone near by so that you can meet and interview them before they show up with their suitcase? You would be a godsend to someone like that. Any support groups for MCS people? Join or post an ad with them.
Lastly, I’m going to tell you that if mold is an issue, you need to go completely and utterly gluten free. http://www.toxic-black-mold-syndrome.com/glutenfree.html
I’ve read so many stories about a mold sensitive person who is unable to recover as long as they continue eating gluten.
Being Gluten free is part of my survival arsenal.
(((hugs))) I think this is going to work out in your favor. You’ll find the right person. Be picky.
I am 57 – I have lived alone 30 of those years – I think I would have a problem with someone in my space at this time of my life…Just wish I would stop wishing for and dreaming of a partner in life…I guess I had my fairytale partner the first 3 months of the 3 years my spath was here – he was such a good actor and I was such a good fool..and I could not take that kind of rejection again..so I will never attempt or even look for it ..just sayin
Hens,
I saw what you wrote. 🙂
There hasn’t been anything virgin on that spath for at least 50 years.
aw hens, we all have to take a few risks. i don’t accept that i will live alone (because of my MCS). I cannot accept that. I know i want to live with people, and i will work for it. i am much much better when there are people with me. i am so not looking forward to her leaving, and my being alone again. so not looking forward to it.