Although it has been many years and there is a new relationship, a friend of mine still wishes every day that the sociopath that preyed on her will “drop dead.” Wishing and hoping that some horrible end will come for the sociopath takes up time and energy in my friend’s life; as she searches for evidence that something bad has indeed happened to the sociopath and then is disappointed.
Recently, I discussed the topic of forgiving psychopaths with a psychopathy researcher who is not a clinician. He said he received a letter from someone complaining that friends were pressuring the victim to forgive. It was the psychopathy researcher’s opinion that people should NOT be told they have to forgive a psychopath.
Upon reflecting on this opinion, I believe that this psychopathy researcher may have a special insight that informs his view —that psychopaths should not necessarily be forgiven. Perhaps this insight is: in spite of their brain disorder, psychopaths still have a choice about what they do.
My son is now 7, he and I rough and tumble play every day. It is impossible to wrestle and not have some kind of slight hurt come to one or the both of us. From the time he was very young, perhaps as young as 3, my son has appreciated the idea that mommy didn’t “do it on purpose”. If he pokes me in the eye or lands rough on my stomach he’ll say “Sorry, I didn’t do it on purpose.”
This example illustrates our inborn social contract that says we do not hurt each other on purpose. If hurts happen in the course of life, they are usually unintended side effects of other behaviors and so should be forgiven. Cheating on a spouse could even be forgiven as an unintentional hurt if the person succumbed to temptation in a moment of weakness, realized the wrong committed, then repented. Even murder is not punished as much if it is an accident.
The problem with sociopaths is that their behavior is no accident. They hurt people on purpose, carefully planning, then executing their plans. After 7 years of reading research articles and talking to victims, I believe choice is part of a complete explanation of sociopathy and victimization. If you watch any of the TV shows about sociopaths you too will see that the theme of their choices permeates the media.
Friday night, Gangland on the History Channel told the story of Billy Wadd, a member of the Devil’s Disciples motorcycle gang who gained notoriety when he broke the biker’s code of silence and testified against his nephew who murdered a family during a home invasion. Wadd said he decided to aid the prosecution of his nephew, John Wolfenbarger, instead of “taking care of things the usual way” because “You just don’t kill kids.” It is clear he believed these murders were performed with an intention that not even another sociopath could accept, so even sociopaths believe in their own capacities for choice.
Now let’s reconsider whether victims should be told they have to forgive. It seems there is a natural human instinct that says forgiveness is reserved for accidents, unintended consequences, and perhaps intentional slights that are out of character. How then can you ever forgive a psychopath?
Psychopaths have been compared to predators. I think this analogy is seriously flawed. A predator such as a lion or wolf has to kill in order to survive. Psychopaths don’t hurt for survival. They hurt because they want to, because they like hurting. Their enjoyment of hurting increases the likelihood they will choose to hurt if given the opportunity. They also seek out opportunities to hurt -not for survival but for pleasure.
Since sociopaths, with intention, repeatedly violate our inborn social contract, perhaps they should never be forgiven.
Instead of forgiving, I hope, my friend, you will think about all this and thoroughly digest the reality of the sociopath you shared life with. The reality is terrible— you shared life with a truly evil person, someone who regularly, with malice and forethought, chooses to harm others. Don’t stop hoping to see the day the scourge of this evil person’s existence will be wiped from the Earth, but do not waste any more of your time on him.
There are so many people on craigslist and other internet groups that are really scam artists. I still get e mails every day that tell me if I will contact the person they will send me millions of US dollars. LOL
Back when I had rental houses, I even almost rented to a guy that was wanted by the FBI…and he was a CHARMER too! His deposit check bounded (no account) and I got in contact with his GF whose car he was driving and she told me he’d been arrested. I’ve rented to people who were local and still scam artists, they paid the first month’s rent and the deposit and never another cent. I rented to a guy I used to work with, and he moved in 10 relatives and friends. My husband rented to a lawyer who wanted the house for a KENNEL…and moved in 20 or more dogs because it was cheaper to rent a 4 bedroom house with an enclosed garage and a nice brick pool house than to put the dogs in boarding kennels. You never know what you are getting into.
One of the better things about living in the boonies though is usually you can know about a person’s family, etc. more than just meeting someone through an ad in the paper. People who are more “local” have a reputation that can be checked up on before you get too deeply involved with them.
BUT, keep in mind, though I was recently at the court hearing of a MINISTER I “knew” for 15 + years and though I may not have liked him, I sure as heck did not ever think he would be arrested for stalking a child on the internet and kiddie porn. He makes the THIRD guy I THOUGHT I knew that turned out to be a pedophile. So we have got to use our INTUITION to keep us safe.
Tobehappy, I’m with you, people have got to EARN my trust, I am no longer GIVING it away in a day or a week or even a year. My trust is a sacred thing, and I am GUARDING IT!
ToBEHappy,
GET OFF THAT DATING SITE NOW!!! boink!!!!! I am with Hens on this one, his talk of a psycho woman, BIG RED FLAG.
Oxy!
I asked you about collard greens and Hens answered…He said they are best cooked with bacon, salt, and pepper and they give ya the runs…
I hope he doesn’t mind I’m asking for a second opinion!! LOL
oxy – a kennel! jayzus!!
Ana, yes, that is the way to cook them, and if you eat much you will get the TWO STEP.
One stepper, a KENNEL FOR SURE!
Yep, my husband rented to her and the house was about 20 miles away from here and there were two houses on the 6 acres, the small house had been rented to a married couple of students, great renters. The lawyer told my husband she had 1 little dog, and her rent was always in the mail on time so I never went over there. Well got the rent check and a NOTE from the young couple complaining about the DOGS she had staked out all over the 6 acres barking all the time. Well, I went over there and sure enough she had DOGS EVERYWHERE. In crates in the house, loose in the house, in crates in the garage and pool house. She had a blow up mattress in the house and an apartment refrigerator (4 bedroom house) and that was about it along with some boxes of papers where she had priced kennel space. Apparently she was only coming there a day or two a week to feed and water the dogs, so you can imagine what a MESS IT WAS.
She had the NERVE to tell me that my husband had known she had ALL those dogs. Yea, right! Anyway, I gave her notice and she moved out almost immediately. After that, I always went over to COLLECT the rent in person. Even that wasn’t always a success. I think I rented to a bunch of psychopaths and nut jobs. One group moved in all their relatives like a tribe of Gypsies, and painted the living room PURPLE. At least they paid the rent though.
I AM sure glad to have those houses gone though….never want rental property again, at least not remote from me, where I can keep a DAILY eye on it.
Right now I have good renters for the pasture lands here on the farm…but got one bad renter who let it “go to ruin” (pastures must be maintained!) and I had to evict him and his cows. These people have done a good job for the most part but I did have to give them “notice” once that I was becoming unhappy with the weeds growing up and wanted it taken care of immediately. They said “yes, Mam” and took care of it immediately.
My land, my rules. My way or the highway!
He wasn’t involved with a “psycho”…We were just talking about dating sites since he never posted on one either.
He said that it isn’t just “men” who are psycho on them, but there are crazy women on there too.
He agreed to meet a woman and when she came out of the house…she looked nothing like her photo. She was about 350 lbs!!! He felt sorry for her…took her to dinner…and she spoke of some crazy lifestyles she’s lived!!!
He seemed nice on the phone….has been a firefighter for 25 yrs…has 3 children…son is a cop in town here….
So, to meet at a local resturaunt for dinner…I don’t feel I’m in danger. I’ll be able to tell from “hello”…..
2B,
Each to their own. You’re a big girl and can make your own decisions. Just not my cuppa’ tay!
Well….we will see….I’ll have my radar on for “red flags”..thats for sure!
2b – didn’t say he was ‘involved with’ a pyscho.
peace out all…