Although it has been many years and there is a new relationship, a friend of mine still wishes every day that the sociopath that preyed on her will “drop dead.” Wishing and hoping that some horrible end will come for the sociopath takes up time and energy in my friend’s life; as she searches for evidence that something bad has indeed happened to the sociopath and then is disappointed.
Recently, I discussed the topic of forgiving psychopaths with a psychopathy researcher who is not a clinician. He said he received a letter from someone complaining that friends were pressuring the victim to forgive. It was the psychopathy researcher’s opinion that people should NOT be told they have to forgive a psychopath.
Upon reflecting on this opinion, I believe that this psychopathy researcher may have a special insight that informs his view —that psychopaths should not necessarily be forgiven. Perhaps this insight is: in spite of their brain disorder, psychopaths still have a choice about what they do.
My son is now 7, he and I rough and tumble play every day. It is impossible to wrestle and not have some kind of slight hurt come to one or the both of us. From the time he was very young, perhaps as young as 3, my son has appreciated the idea that mommy didn’t “do it on purpose”. If he pokes me in the eye or lands rough on my stomach he’ll say “Sorry, I didn’t do it on purpose.”
This example illustrates our inborn social contract that says we do not hurt each other on purpose. If hurts happen in the course of life, they are usually unintended side effects of other behaviors and so should be forgiven. Cheating on a spouse could even be forgiven as an unintentional hurt if the person succumbed to temptation in a moment of weakness, realized the wrong committed, then repented. Even murder is not punished as much if it is an accident.
The problem with sociopaths is that their behavior is no accident. They hurt people on purpose, carefully planning, then executing their plans. After 7 years of reading research articles and talking to victims, I believe choice is part of a complete explanation of sociopathy and victimization. If you watch any of the TV shows about sociopaths you too will see that the theme of their choices permeates the media.
Friday night, Gangland on the History Channel told the story of Billy Wadd, a member of the Devil’s Disciples motorcycle gang who gained notoriety when he broke the biker’s code of silence and testified against his nephew who murdered a family during a home invasion. Wadd said he decided to aid the prosecution of his nephew, John Wolfenbarger, instead of “taking care of things the usual way” because “You just don’t kill kids.” It is clear he believed these murders were performed with an intention that not even another sociopath could accept, so even sociopaths believe in their own capacities for choice.
Now let’s reconsider whether victims should be told they have to forgive. It seems there is a natural human instinct that says forgiveness is reserved for accidents, unintended consequences, and perhaps intentional slights that are out of character. How then can you ever forgive a psychopath?
Psychopaths have been compared to predators. I think this analogy is seriously flawed. A predator such as a lion or wolf has to kill in order to survive. Psychopaths don’t hurt for survival. They hurt because they want to, because they like hurting. Their enjoyment of hurting increases the likelihood they will choose to hurt if given the opportunity. They also seek out opportunities to hurt -not for survival but for pleasure.
Since sociopaths, with intention, repeatedly violate our inborn social contract, perhaps they should never be forgiven.
Instead of forgiving, I hope, my friend, you will think about all this and thoroughly digest the reality of the sociopath you shared life with. The reality is terrible— you shared life with a truly evil person, someone who regularly, with malice and forethought, chooses to harm others. Don’t stop hoping to see the day the scourge of this evil person’s existence will be wiped from the Earth, but do not waste any more of your time on him.
They are always moving on, even when they are with us they are looking for the next victim because they know they will either get bored with us or get dumped.
So I have not been on face book in 3 years – when I try to log on to my account it says “your account has been temporarily suspended. Suspicious activity has been detected on your face book account” so I cant even get on facebook to see whats going on, not that I care…it’s just one more stressor I dont need. I dont even like to text..the world is becoming so superficial and shallow, and because of technology we have lost the connection that humans need.
Hens;
I totally agree. There is a huge difference between in-person contact and FB, chat rooms, message boards…
I still have too much time on my hands and until that is remedied, I am not going to be 100%. However, nothing about the x-spath will make anything better for me. I have finally learned my lesson that nothing I ever discovered about him did me any good.
Last week, I was at a discussion group and the mediator made the comment that most problems can be solved in 90 days if one rally tries. Well, to be honest, I never fully tried my 90 days with the x-spath. I would look at the twitter posts of a friend of his that I met, or I would look to see if he logged into the dating sites I found him on. Or his various porn sites.
Today is day one of 90 days I should have started two+ years ago…
“Today is the first day of the rest of your life ~!” Yeah that is a corny saying but what good does it do us to think about them at this point? They did teach us a few things we needed to know, but I aint gonna track him down and thank him, it’s just a by-product of getting tangled up with one – live and learn..
BBE:
Really good to see you back.
I agree with you. That is the reason I stopped talking about what happened to me…what does it matter? I can talk about it until the cows come home, but nothing is going to change. I have to change myself. I still feel like the walking wounded and nothing makes sense to me anymore, but I will get over it someday; it’s just going to take time. And if I never get over it? At least I will learn how to live with it. It taught me a lot of lessons and I have since semi removed a couple of friends from my life. I don’t need it…if someone isn’t going to support me and be kind to me as I am to them, I don’t need them in my life.
Hens: I don’t like to text either. It is very superficial and can even be dangerous. I haven’t even had my cell phone on in days. I communicate with everyone either through my home phone or email. I only need a cell phone for emergencies really.
Hi, everyone!
Yesterday, I removed every picture of my 2 spath Daughters from my FB pages, photo files, etc. Also the pics of the 3 Grandkids,{now 15, 12, and 3 years old,} that my 2nd spath D. has denied me contact with. No point in torturing myself, with these pics.of kids Ive never ever seen.
2nd spath Ds twelve yr old daughter looks like a hoe in training,very pretty, Jewish princess,
precocious, over sexy for her age,has her tongue out at full length in practically ever pic, sexy language underneath, etc.Apparently she loves lady Gaga and models herself on her.I deeply suspect a spath in training, like her Mum.
Spath D. 2 was also very sexually precocious, smart ass, bossy, narcissistic even from a small child. I see the signs now, too late. What was kind a cute as a small girl, turned out to be a spath in training!NOT so cute in an adult of 45 yrs old.
She is a s hard as nails, no empathy, cruel, snobby, ruthless,uses everyone,kicks people to the curb when shes milked them dry.Uses everybody,bossy,emotionally shallow.
Who needs people like this in your life, even if youve had the misfortune to give birth to them.
Older spath D looks like a vampire in most pics, red, red dresses, fire engine red lipstick, cover her red lips and look at the eyes, cold as ice!In every pic she has that entirtled, superior look, like her presence a lone is a GIFT to you! NOT!No conscience for all the unspeakablynasty and evil things she has done to me,{and I do mean DONE!} No remorse, no kindness, no sympathy, no compassion.
I was only here to service her financial and other needs, when I was milked dry, I was useless to her.
I have served my time to them with interest, I owe them NOTHING further.
Time to move on with my life, without narcs, sociopaths, users, Psychic vampires, negative people, con artists,people who bleed you dry and give NOTHING back!
We are all getting there! Life without spaths is GOOD!And getting better every day we are away from these bastards!!
Much Love,
Mama GemXX
Hens;
Its true. As much as I say that meeting the x-spath could not have come at a worse time in my life, the reality is the opposite. The lesson from the sociopath was an important one and one that I needed to learn. Better that happen when the rest of my life (health, job) was in disorder and needed repair than at some point in the future.
(((((GEM- YOU go girl!!!)))))
Louise;
I was thinking about you the other day as a friend of the x-spath comment in FB that he looked like Daniel Craig. More like a twink poof version with no body…
I have about 10 meetings, seminars and such to attend in the next few weeks. I am going to keep that up until my social life is rebuilt… With care to avoid sociopaths and people with any serious isues.
BBE,
Nice to see you again. I don’t think the word “twink” has been used once since you’ve been gone!!
Congrats on the 90 detox/rebuilding. I wish you the best.
BBE:
Haha…Daniel Craig…yep. Twink! That’s hilarious.
Sounds like you will be busy in the next few weeks and that’s good. I am busy, too, but it only helps temporarily.
Yes, avoid spaths and toxic people at all costs! It’s the only way to live peaceful and without drama!