“Suddenly, everything made sense, I was not crazy, I had been dealing with a psychopath!” explained a woman this week as she told the story of how she discovered “psychopathy” and Dr. Hare’s diagnostic symptoms. With this discovery, she learned that a personality disorder is behind the behavior of people who manipulate and harm others without guilt or remorse. Prior to learning about psychopathy, the woman said she held the view that all people were basically good and needed the same things. Understanding psychopathy/sociopathy gave her the ability to make sense of a world where a small fraction of individuals do a tremendous amount of harm- AND YET THESE INDIVIDUALS ON THE SURFACE SEEM PERFECTLY NORMAL.
As we discussed the kidnapping of Jaycee Lee Dugard, that same woman questioned whether Phillip Garrido (the kidnapper) is “a psychopath.” She tended to think that Garrido, “Is not a psychopath” and that schizophrenia or some delusional disorder was behind Garrido’s monstrous behavior. According to my friend, “a psychopath” is not mentally ill, is in contact with reality, and yet perpetrates evil anyway. For her the appearance of sanity is an essential characteristic of a psychopath/sociopath.
This week I want to discuss Garrido, and Brian David Mitchell (Elizabeth’s Smart’s kidnapper). These two men are strikingly similar. But first I have to tell you about my own moment of awakening with regard to psychopathy. Just like my friend’s moment, my moment made sense of the world, however it came after years of experience with antisocial people and after years of reading about the disorder. In my moment I realized that psychopathy explains evil.
Yes, I said psychopathy explains evil. This statement is true even though people who are not “psychopaths” do plenty of evil. Because psychopathy explains evil, its importance extends far beyond enabling us to identify the most recidivist criminals, or those who we should avoid going on dates with.
How did it come to pass that psychopathy explains evil? My friend is correct in that originally psychopathy (more than 100 years ago) was called “moral insanity.” It was conceived of as a disorder where people who have an intact mind repeatedly violate the rights of others. Then, Dr. Hervey Cleckley intensively studied the case histories of those he believed to be “psychopaths.” From his experience with many cases Dr. Cleckley developed a list of traits he believed could be used to identify those with the disorder.
Dr. Robert Hare took those traits and used them, along with other personality disorder criteria to develop the PCL-R which is now the best way to “diagnose psychopathy.” Forensic professionals have administered the PCL-R to thousands of offenders and to people with substance abuse issues. From these studies we know that “psychopathy” is actually not a category it is a continuum. In fact the PCL-R scores of offenders are all markedly elevated above those of general population samples (like college students). There is no absolute cut-off score that identifies “true psychopaths.” Instead, for every point increase in score the risk of doing evil increases. The PCL-R is a very good measure of an individual’s risk to offend against others and society.
Psychopathy, as currently measured by the PCL-R is then a trait that is present in everyone to a greater or lesser degree. This trait cuts across diagnostic categories. Think of it like you would intelligence as measured by IQ tests. Everybody has an IQ but it is only when the scores are very high or very low that they come to define or categorize a person. Psychopaths are the equivalent of geniuses who score so high and are so different from average that this difference becomes a defining quality.
Scientists use a cut score of 25-30 on the PCL-R to identify and study “psychopaths.” When studying psychopaths scientists exclude from their studies people who also have other obvious defining qualities like mental retardation and delusions/hallucinations. By looking at the “pure” top end of the distribution they can study those who are most prone to doing evil and try to determine the brain disorder that underlies doing evil. People at the top end are more likely to be measurably different from other people.
Since the psychopaths researchers study are free from other disorders, any brain findings can be attributed to psychopathy. In such studies, several brain abnormalities have been found and linked to the behavior of psychopaths. The brain regions found to be abnormal in psychopaths are those regions demonstrated to be responsible for moral loving conduct in all of us. Abnormalities are also seen in those regions where aggressive impulses originate.
Again, using the analogy of intelligence, if we study what makes geniuses smart we learn something about what makes the average person smart. When we study what is wrong with psychopaths we learn something about what causes all of us to express and act on aggressive impulses.
In broader studies, scientists have discovered that the people who score over 25 on the PCL-R are a diverse group. While they share the symptoms of psychopathy, they may differ in important ways including the presence of other psychiatric disorders and mental retardation. Some psychopaths are also mentally ill above and beyond the psychopathy. Some experience delusions, particularly grandiose delusions and some hallucinate. There are many people who have delusions and hallucinations and yet do not harm others because psychotic disorders usually do not impair the moral brain, and the content of their delusions or hallucinations does not produce aggression.
Both psychotic and non-psychotic psychopaths experience increased impulses to harm others and they lack the moral brain mechanisms to restrain these impulses. That gets me to Garrido and Mitchell. Both men have grandiose delusions and have impaired contact with reality. However, both were organized enough to plan and carry out kidnapping and sexual assault. (This is actually evidence for psychopathy since psychopathy has been linked to sexual assault and sexual perversion in many studies.)
Both Garrido and Mitchell are also psychopathic enough so that the cries and suffering of their victims and their victim’s families meant nothing. Both remain self absorbed and have failed to show any real remorse for their actions. In fact, Garrido said in one of his news interviews that we would all come to see his story as “heart warming.” It makes intuitive sense that if a psychopath were to develop delusions, they would be of a grandiose nature since grandiosity is part of the disorder. The psychosis just exaggerates what is already there. Similarly when psychopaths hallucinate, they hear voices that tell them how wonderful and special they are. Of course G-d and angels talk to them!
In summary, I believe Garrido and Mitchell are both highly psychopathic. They both have disorders in multiple brain systems, including those important in reality orientation and those involved in the generation and inhibition of aggressive sexual impulses. One of my supervisors called such individuals schizopaths (combined schizophrenia and psychopathy). Schizopaths are the most dangerous individuals in our society because they have no restraint over the impulses generated by the psychotic process.
On this blog, we have talked about the need for laws to protect society from psychopaths. In my opinion, it makes sense to start with schizopaths. Offenders identified with both psychotic and psychopathic tendencies should be considered a special group. After even one serious offense, these individuals should be kept incarcerated or hospitalized to protect the public. One strike you’re out is justified because of the chronic nature of combined psychopathy and psychosis.
Next week, the female accomplices of Garrido and Mitchell.
Also: these P’s work on our commitment loyalty. They have none so they are not tied to anything of that sort. We are commited people and we hang onto this value. But….we must also let this go….it does not go mean we are no longer commited people it just means we have awakened to the fact we have nothing to commit to! We must come to understand that the ‘relationship’ was all a lie….an illusion, another con on their part. We are not being untrue to ourselves to break this ‘bond’ we are actually being true to ourselves in moving on past this type of bondage. And that’s what it is. A healthy and true relationship does not consist of this type of toxic control and abuse. It’s just not our job to save these people– and they play that pity card. Something I learned this AM. What we see as ‘potential’ in these people…and we think we can help them live up to that ‘potential’ is faked too. They fake that ‘potential’. It’s a lie. Not only do they not have potential they have absolutely NO intention of changing their behavior. They love every evil minute of their cons….watch those dancing eyes when the con is soaring….how they are sucking up the power. Oh yeah. It’s all about the power.
Example: my PX hub called me three days before the final hearing [I divorced him…which he could not believe!] and ran every type of con and pushed every button that had worked for him for so many years. They failed to work this time. [he wanted to ‘reconcile’]. I fielded every spin with the truth and thru open eyes….finally in a fit of anger/desperation and unbelief that it was not working this time….he admitted: “This is not working!” slammed the phone down. 😛 I went to the hearing, signed the final papers and he did not show up. He called our daughter and whinned: “Did she even show up? I’ll bet she did not even show up!” He still could not believe that he had lost….that I really had seen the truth and that he was totally unmasked.
Lily you are the wind beneath my wings, I need you.
My own experience has led me to beleive absolutely that sociopaths are not humans at all:
http://transsociopathica.blogspot.com/
Dear Twicebetrayed,
I read your post from Sept 14 today for the first time (don’t know how I missed it) it was absolutely ON TARGET!!!! GOOD FOR YOU!
I absolutely loved his comment “this is not working!” I guess he finally DID GET at least SOME of what was going on! His hipe was not working any more!
Transsociopathica, sometimes I agree with you, but absolutely they are MMISSING A PIECE of what makes the rest of us “truly and fully human”—a conscience.
Tran, good blog.
I’m still having trouble with my concept of exactly WHAT they are because of my P-parents. My xP is clearly NOT human, it only has a kernal of humanity somewhere in it’s DNA.
Here is what troubles me:
Several of the people who turned out to be P’s had previously said to me, things like, “Skylar, EVERYBODY lies!”
and another one said, “Skylar, EVERYBODY uses EVERYBODY”, Another one said, “Skylar, Everyone is evil, you’re evil, I’m evil, _____ is evil, the only one not evil is mom.”
At the time the statements were made, I felt so perplexed because, although I’m not perfect, these behaviors (using, lying, being evil) really really offend me but these persons seem to take it all in stride. How do they do that? I thought there must be something wrong with me.
My own P-parents, a few days ago while I was arguing that we shouldn’t live in close proximity to evil people asked me how it was that only I was not a bad person but everyone else is. I was trying to explain to them that no one is perfect but people who try to put their relatives in jail for no reason, are evil. They agreed that it was bad, but continue to excuse the behavior as some kind of emotional response.
I guess I’m just trying to get what could be going on in their heads. Are they just sooooo lacking in a moral compass that they can’t judge?
Dear Skylar,
If you LISTEN TO THEM the Ps will sometimes tell you that they ARE EVIL by saying things like “everyone lies” and “everyone uses everyone” which means that THEY LIE and THEY USE others—and they think that is OK, “normal” and the way it is!
The way they excuse themselves is that “everyone does it” and since I am a person, then it is okay for me to do it too.
Some of the dupes (people fooled by them) see the bad behavior but excuse it “because it is my child or my ____ (fillin the blank)
My own P son said, “I get along with the DIL and I get along with the Trojan horse P and so on and YOU (meaning me) don’t get along with any of them so WHO IS OUT OF STEP—you (meaning me) of course!
Right and wrong, good and bad is NOT a “democratic question” if it were, there would have been no war crimes trials of the Germans after WWII—right is right and wrong is wrong. Period. Wrong is not always punished, and right is not always rewarded but it doesn’t change the reality of it.
The psychopaths do NOT play by the same rules we play by and many of them presume that we play by their rules, just the way WE think that they have a conscience and their bad behavior “must be some mistake”—-we all presume that others have the same moral compass we do….and since they have none they don’t get it that WE DO.
All we can DO is to go NC with those people and get them out of our lives. Stop voluntarily associating with and being hurt by psychopaths, liars, thieves, users and abusers because the closer we are to them the more we interact with them, the worse they will hurt us.
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We also have to learn to validate ourselves when it comes to what kind of person we want to associate with.
If we associate with pathological liars and users, thieves and drug addicts, criminals, etc. we will get hurt. It is pretty simple, if you don’t want to be bitten, don’t play with poison snakes.
skylar,
I believe that they have a MINDSET, that nothing can change or get through to….
And because they don’t have a moral compass, it is logical (ONLY TO THEM) that everyone lies, and uses people ect.
However I do also believe that there are more “sophisticated” (I hate to use such a word to describe a vile person) or maybe even a highly intelligent, well read, S/P, that even without a moral compass, will figure out that everyone DOESN’T lie and use people, and they might not say such things outloud. Because it makes them look stupid. These would be the “real smooth” operators….And of course with time, even they would say something stupid and incriminating to themselves.
I know with my son his mindset is so strong that he believes his own lies. I find it AMAZING. To be so far removed from reality. Some days I am in awe that this is even possible.
It seem to me that people such as this could only exist in “fiction” , (steven king novels) not in the real world.
I understand what you are saying Oxy. The thing is, it FEELS wrong to consider myself “better than” or “more moral than” my own parents. D’you know what I mean? I am having a hard time thinking of myself as being, somehow, a “better” person than they are. And they, themselves, questioned me on that issue.
I have never considered myself a particularly good person. If anything, I always thought and still think that I’m not such a great person because I am so lazy and also unwilling to make much effort to better myself. I think that the only thing that differentiates me from these P’s is my ability to feel empathy and to question or care about the consequences TO OTHERS of my actions. Everyone around me only cares about how their actions will affect themselves. I had never thought about my parents that way, now that I do, I see the wider perspective. Now that I can judge their behaviors I can actually see the infantile emotions that motivate those behaviors and it freaks me out. But I can’t help thinking, is there a beam in my eye that I should remove before trying to take the splinter out of theirs? I know that you can relate to how confusing your feelings toward parental Ns can be.
skylar,
Did you ever live under your parents roof as an adult before?
Living with ones parents as an adult can be much different that when you were younger.
Sometimes even without your parents being N’s, when you view your parnets through “adult eyes”, (especially when living there) it can be pretty upsetting as to what you see.
Its not the same “vision” you had when you left home.
It can stir up all kinds of feelings that might be uncomfortable.
Be kinder to yourself Skylar….Embrace yourself that you have empathy, and the ability to be a caring and loving human being. It doesn’t sound like you were “taught” these things as a child. This is something within you.
You can work on getting motivated and to better yourself if that is something you want to do. These things can be changed if it is something you desire to change about yourself.
Your parents can’t change what they are. And living with them is going to be difficult. Especially as you are trying to heal from your x.
Witsend,
I know what you mean about these people seeming almost “fictional”. It’s a two-dimensional, cartoon quality. How can they be so shallow and how can they believe in their fictional world?
I move out at 17 but tried again to live with them for 2 months at age 20 (a previous time that I left the P), but my mother made my life impossible and I was in a very good financial situation so I just moved out again. I guess all the money I got from the lawsuit made it possible for me to avoid any unpleasantness in life and consequently I never learned about evil people – I would always just run away.
What you said about the more “sophisticated” P is part of my confusion. Which P is more sophisticated? Which one is more sinister? Is it the one like my parents, neighbors and friends who tell me, “we’re all evil, just be like us” or is it the one’s who never admit to any flaws but instead project their evil onto the good people that they meet, like my xP and your son? Which is worse? Which is more evil?
On the Narcisisst scale, my xP and your son would score higher, but which is more deadly? During the time my xP was acting like he loved me, he never pretended to fit in with society, but I still loved him because he pretended to love me. He seemed so great. Now I look at my parents and can’t help wondering if their masks can slip to the same degree that his did. I can obviously see people walking around with masks and I wonder how much evil is the mask hiding? A little or a lot? How can you tell the degree of danger? We can’t avoid all P’s in life, so how can we look behind the mask for the degree of P?