“Suddenly, everything made sense, I was not crazy, I had been dealing with a psychopath!” explained a woman this week as she told the story of how she discovered “psychopathy” and Dr. Hare’s diagnostic symptoms. With this discovery, she learned that a personality disorder is behind the behavior of people who manipulate and harm others without guilt or remorse. Prior to learning about psychopathy, the woman said she held the view that all people were basically good and needed the same things. Understanding psychopathy/sociopathy gave her the ability to make sense of a world where a small fraction of individuals do a tremendous amount of harm- AND YET THESE INDIVIDUALS ON THE SURFACE SEEM PERFECTLY NORMAL.
As we discussed the kidnapping of Jaycee Lee Dugard, that same woman questioned whether Phillip Garrido (the kidnapper) is “a psychopath.” She tended to think that Garrido, “Is not a psychopath” and that schizophrenia or some delusional disorder was behind Garrido’s monstrous behavior. According to my friend, “a psychopath” is not mentally ill, is in contact with reality, and yet perpetrates evil anyway. For her the appearance of sanity is an essential characteristic of a psychopath/sociopath.
This week I want to discuss Garrido, and Brian David Mitchell (Elizabeth’s Smart’s kidnapper). These two men are strikingly similar. But first I have to tell you about my own moment of awakening with regard to psychopathy. Just like my friend’s moment, my moment made sense of the world, however it came after years of experience with antisocial people and after years of reading about the disorder. In my moment I realized that psychopathy explains evil.
Yes, I said psychopathy explains evil. This statement is true even though people who are not “psychopaths” do plenty of evil. Because psychopathy explains evil, its importance extends far beyond enabling us to identify the most recidivist criminals, or those who we should avoid going on dates with.
How did it come to pass that psychopathy explains evil? My friend is correct in that originally psychopathy (more than 100 years ago) was called “moral insanity.” It was conceived of as a disorder where people who have an intact mind repeatedly violate the rights of others. Then, Dr. Hervey Cleckley intensively studied the case histories of those he believed to be “psychopaths.” From his experience with many cases Dr. Cleckley developed a list of traits he believed could be used to identify those with the disorder.
Dr. Robert Hare took those traits and used them, along with other personality disorder criteria to develop the PCL-R which is now the best way to “diagnose psychopathy.” Forensic professionals have administered the PCL-R to thousands of offenders and to people with substance abuse issues. From these studies we know that “psychopathy” is actually not a category it is a continuum. In fact the PCL-R scores of offenders are all markedly elevated above those of general population samples (like college students). There is no absolute cut-off score that identifies “true psychopaths.” Instead, for every point increase in score the risk of doing evil increases. The PCL-R is a very good measure of an individual’s risk to offend against others and society.
Psychopathy, as currently measured by the PCL-R is then a trait that is present in everyone to a greater or lesser degree. This trait cuts across diagnostic categories. Think of it like you would intelligence as measured by IQ tests. Everybody has an IQ but it is only when the scores are very high or very low that they come to define or categorize a person. Psychopaths are the equivalent of geniuses who score so high and are so different from average that this difference becomes a defining quality.
Scientists use a cut score of 25-30 on the PCL-R to identify and study “psychopaths.” When studying psychopaths scientists exclude from their studies people who also have other obvious defining qualities like mental retardation and delusions/hallucinations. By looking at the “pure” top end of the distribution they can study those who are most prone to doing evil and try to determine the brain disorder that underlies doing evil. People at the top end are more likely to be measurably different from other people.
Since the psychopaths researchers study are free from other disorders, any brain findings can be attributed to psychopathy. In such studies, several brain abnormalities have been found and linked to the behavior of psychopaths. The brain regions found to be abnormal in psychopaths are those regions demonstrated to be responsible for moral loving conduct in all of us. Abnormalities are also seen in those regions where aggressive impulses originate.
Again, using the analogy of intelligence, if we study what makes geniuses smart we learn something about what makes the average person smart. When we study what is wrong with psychopaths we learn something about what causes all of us to express and act on aggressive impulses.
In broader studies, scientists have discovered that the people who score over 25 on the PCL-R are a diverse group. While they share the symptoms of psychopathy, they may differ in important ways including the presence of other psychiatric disorders and mental retardation. Some psychopaths are also mentally ill above and beyond the psychopathy. Some experience delusions, particularly grandiose delusions and some hallucinate. There are many people who have delusions and hallucinations and yet do not harm others because psychotic disorders usually do not impair the moral brain, and the content of their delusions or hallucinations does not produce aggression.
Both psychotic and non-psychotic psychopaths experience increased impulses to harm others and they lack the moral brain mechanisms to restrain these impulses. That gets me to Garrido and Mitchell. Both men have grandiose delusions and have impaired contact with reality. However, both were organized enough to plan and carry out kidnapping and sexual assault. (This is actually evidence for psychopathy since psychopathy has been linked to sexual assault and sexual perversion in many studies.)
Both Garrido and Mitchell are also psychopathic enough so that the cries and suffering of their victims and their victim’s families meant nothing. Both remain self absorbed and have failed to show any real remorse for their actions. In fact, Garrido said in one of his news interviews that we would all come to see his story as “heart warming.” It makes intuitive sense that if a psychopath were to develop delusions, they would be of a grandiose nature since grandiosity is part of the disorder. The psychosis just exaggerates what is already there. Similarly when psychopaths hallucinate, they hear voices that tell them how wonderful and special they are. Of course G-d and angels talk to them!
In summary, I believe Garrido and Mitchell are both highly psychopathic. They both have disorders in multiple brain systems, including those important in reality orientation and those involved in the generation and inhibition of aggressive sexual impulses. One of my supervisors called such individuals schizopaths (combined schizophrenia and psychopathy). Schizopaths are the most dangerous individuals in our society because they have no restraint over the impulses generated by the psychotic process.
On this blog, we have talked about the need for laws to protect society from psychopaths. In my opinion, it makes sense to start with schizopaths. Offenders identified with both psychotic and psychopathic tendencies should be considered a special group. After even one serious offense, these individuals should be kept incarcerated or hospitalized to protect the public. One strike you’re out is justified because of the chronic nature of combined psychopathy and psychosis.
Next week, the female accomplices of Garrido and Mitchell.
Dear Skylar,
One of the CARDINAL SINS of my Scots-Irish up brining was to be “uppity” or think you are “better” than someone else—and you know what? I FOUND OUT IT IS NOT A SIN! I AM BETTER than these creeps, I AM A BETTER PERSON because I do not deliberately hurt others, I do not kill others, I have a conscience, I try to do GOOD to others—so YES, I AM BETTER THAN MY P SON, MY EGG DONOR, MY SPERM DONOR, AND EVERY OTHER P I KNOW OR HAVE KNOWN.
Everyone is NOT “CREATED EQUAL” IN ANYTHING EXCEPT THE EYES OF THE LAW. There are lots of people who have a BETTER athletic ability than I do, there are lots of people that I have more “IQ” than them, there are MANY MORE people who have musical talent that I lack, there are—-and so on.
Each person is DIFFERENT and there are some that are BETTER AT things than others are, but in the eyes of the LAW we are EQUAL, but not otherwise. If I murder someone my IQ shouldn’t keep me from being prosecuted, if I abuse children then my musical talent and fame shouldn’t let me get off, if I slash my exwife’s throat it should NOT matter that I played football well and have enough fame and money to hire big lawyers—-so even there, where we SHOULD be EQUAL in the eyes of the law, it isn’t totally so.
I have NO PROBLEM feeling “better” than my P son or my enabling egg donor, cause I AM BETTER in my own eyes! And, you are better I think than any P in the world.
So there, and a “boink”to you for not validating yourself as BETTER than these evil creeps! LOL
I keep hearing from people here that Narcs and Ss are that way because they were unloved, rejected, devalued, etc, as small babies and children.Both my Narcopath daughters were given so much love, care, devotion, so I dont buy this one with my two, at any rate. I DO remember ,however, reading that some Narcs, as small babies, go stiff and rigid if they are hugged. This used to happen with my older daughter,{the 45 year old} . When I hugged her to my breast as a baby she would go rigid,and PUSH with her tiny feet against my chest. push away from me. This distressed me so much I saw a pediatrician about it. He said,”Some babies are like that. Thay see two arms around them, not as love, but as a cage, so they will PUSH against the arms, they cant bear to be contained , it feels suffocating to them”. I accepted this, but I still couldnt understand it.Also, I know small babies put everything in their mouths, but when she put a live cockroach in her mouth and screamed when the Amah,{baby nurse in Singapore} took it out of her mouth.She, like now, had no discrimination.By the way, I am learning SO much from the CVh.2 excerpt from Sam Vaknins book on Narcissism. Everything he describes fits my two perfectly, its a real eye opener. What I cant understand, is how he can be a narc, and still be able to write about it so well.What is helping me not to feel so sad and sorry for her .is that he says they really dont need people,they are incapable of deep emotions,and seemto be quite happy most of the time in their false, fantasy world.
It also helped me to realise that there was nothing I could have donein the 18 or so years I lived with them , to prevent their pesonalities becoming narcopaths. Im sure now it was genetic, from my Alcoholic exs side of the family, however, my brotheris a narc, so my side may have it too!! Looking forwrd to more updates on dear Lily, Oxy. Much love, gem/XX
Skylar,
I don’t think there is an easy pat answer to that question.
I don’t think it has anything to do with the “type” they are when figuring who is more dangerous. I think both can be dangerous. They can all take their toll on us emotionally. That is certain.
As far as being deadly? That is a very serious decision we need to give alot of thought to when involved with these people.
I would have to say that in my humble opinion those that have severe anger issues, would for sure be higher on the scale of possibility. And also those that really have problems functioning in the real world at any level and really stay stuck in their own “reality”.
Not to overlook the basic concept of why most murderers would commit the crime. MOTIVE. If they would benifit.
http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/10/06/max-cleland-i-cried-uncontrollably-for-2-1-2-years/?icid=main|compaq-laptop|dl3|link2|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.politicsdaily.com%2F2009%2F10%2F06%2Fmax-cleland-i-cried-uncontrollably-for-2-1-2-years%2F
Can we consider this man to be a victim of sociopaths? He is in “a 12-Step group that meets Tuesday nights in Washington, for people whose lives have crashed and burned.”
We should invite him to LF.
http://www.bvonmovies.com/2009/10/06/tyler-perry-childhood-abuse/?icid=main|compaq-laptop|dl5|link2|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bvonmovies.com%2F2009%2F10%2F06%2Ftyler-perry-childhood-abuse%2F#
And Tyler Perry too.
Gemini….I’m not an expert, but some of Sam’s writing has helped me too. I’ve read some of his writing on other subjects where he sounds weird. At any rate, I do think it is possible to have great insights into your behavior, and still not be able to change. How many of us, for instance, understand what a betrayal bond is, can explain it backwards and forwards, sometimes as well as the experts, but still can’t quite break it…yet!
The P I was involved with had enough self awareness, because of his intelligence to realize something was off. but he decided he must be borderline. He probably is that too! But he didn’t understand that his lack of empathy was not just because he is from “Mars” (i.e., like other men), but something entirely different. He also couldn’t see his arrogance AT ALL. Nor do I think he recognized that he was autocratic. But he did recognize that he was depressed at times. He did recognize that he felt empty almost always.
I still at times can feel sad for about what he might have been, and what we might have been together, over the last 40 years, had he not been a P. But that is just the old betrayal bond talking!
Slylar, I’ve read that circumstances can push someone who heretofor has just been moderately P into murder. We all are at are worst under extreme pressure. And the worst for someone who anywhere far along at all on the P scale or even extreme narcissism is very, very bad. So the answer is, you never know. I guess there are some that are murderers without much pressure.
My S had a very high IQ… his mother told me that when he was a child in school.. a private school that he was the most intelligent that she has ever seen.. sounds good.. but with his intellect for facts, languages and history, etc. came a lack of common sense in life. He did everything impulsively then changed onto something else. And his high intelligence made him able to observe how to best manipulate. I have a high IQ but am more balanced in my perceptions and I think I have good common sense in life but can be blindsided by people.
The Jaycee Dugard interview is coming on in 7 minutes.
WOW! That wasn’t a bad interview—the part that made me grind my teeth though is the part about the parole dept. taking CREDIT for the rescue…LOL And the Sheriff who said he never personally talked to that stupid deputy who went there on a complaint of kids living in the back yard and never got off the front porch. UGH!!!! Every one of those PO officers and that deputy should be fired.
A 50 year sentence for that VIOLENT rape/kidnapping and he gets out in 11 years,, and the 5 yr state sentence and he gets 8 months and out….sheesh! Makes my blood boil. He should have done the entire 50 years and that would have saved Jaycee before it happened.
I still wonder though….about his wife….was she a victim as well, or was she also a psychopath? In cases like this I do wonder, don’t guess I’ll ever truly have an answer, I just think about Patty Hearst and her participating in the bank robbery of her kidnappers. I wonder about the wife in this case….was she manipulated like Patty was? Where do you draw the line in a situation like that?
I don’t have all the answers, don’t even have all the questions, but I guess considering what she went through, Jaycee and her mom are doing as well as can be expected, and I hope that her girls can have some kind of normal life.
It would be nice if the agencies responsible for not doing their jobs would stand up and at least take responsibility, though.