Defense attorneys for Jerry Sandusky, the former assistant football coach at Penn State who is accused of molesting 10 boys, may argue that the man suffers from histrionic personality disorder. So what is it? Lovefraud readers sent links to articles that explain:
What is histrionic personality disorder? on CNN.com.
What is histrionic personality disorder? on Health.Yahoo.net.
Sandusky is so creepy, with that goofy half-smile of his, and so narcissistic that he appears to have no clue what he did to those boys. I try to imagine how someone could be enjoying himself sexually while the child he is raping screams for help, and the thought makes my brain want to explode! His wife is an enabler and denier – he must have been controlling with her, because anyone else’s wife would have popped down to the basement once in a while to see if they needed anything, and apparently she never did. That tells me all I need to know – did she not hear that poor child scream? Disgusting! His attorneys trotting out this personality disorder is tantamount to an admission of guilt. But Sandusky has never admitted guilt, and denies what he did. This jury will crucify him for that, and he deserves it! He should have been in jail this whole time, too, not under house arrest! Still being treated like royalty!
If Mike McQuerry hadn’t seen him, would he even be on trial? That Bob Costas interview was the creepiest thing I’ve ever seen, a window into his narcissism and sense of entitlement – it was good for people to see that, to see how their minds work! I went to Amazon to get that book “Predators” by Dr. Salter, and their are bad reviews on their by people who MINIMIZE and DENY that these people exist, or are doing anything wrong! Unbelievable! One of them even uses his/her real name! Probably charter members of NAMBLA. Sickening that anyone could be an apologist for pedophiles, except pedophiles!
I just found the article below which speculates on what approaches Sandusky’s defense lawyers might take next week.
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/16/12257854-jerry-sanduskys-defense-gets-its-turn-faces-tall-task-in-sex-abuse-trial?lite
The article mentions that the victims continued to associate with Sandusky and maintained friendly relationships with him even into adulthood.
For people who don’t know about sexual abuse and pedeophilia, they might believe that proves something, but the truth is most people are horribly ignorant of the dynamics involved.
Pedeophiles tell the children that they love them. Many times, there is a void in the child’s life. I’ve been reading too many horror stories the past few days so I may be mixing my information up here, but I believe one of the boys had a single mother who thought a male role model would be good for her son and encouraged him to go with Sandusky.
Being the single mother of a boy, I know the longing a child has for father in his life. I, too, would have welcomed a male who could have been a positive role model for my son. He came home in tears once because the kids in school told him that he had no father.
I also know that single mothers get overwhelmed. I made the choice to be there for my son and put him first, but there are plenty of mothers who want relief and a break. I appreciated them when I got them, but my son’s safety was always foremost in my mind, perhaps because I was raped as an adolescent.
Sexual abuse of a minor confuses the child. Many times, the experience does have a pleasurable side. Orgasms and arousal can still occur even though the child is traumatized. Talk about mixed messages!
People still have difficulty understanding how somebody so nice could do something like that. The Tickle Monster thing will be interpreted, I’m willing to bet, by somebody as Sandusky just being a clown.
People continue to make excuses for abhorrent actions. “It must be a mistake.”
I think outrage and public education may change some people’s minds, but there will always be somebody who isn’t sure that abuse happened.
There are many people who think trauma is obvious. Victims walk around shell-shocked or something like that. Many people are clueless that people can and do maintain relationships with their abusers even into adulthood.
That doesn’t mean that the trauma wasn’t severe or is no longer impacting the victim. It often means there are so many mixed messages and emotional voids in a child’s life that some attention, even if it means it comes with sexual abuse, is better than no attention at all.
These kids were needy. They were extremely vulnerable. That was the point of Sandusky’s program. I bet some of the parents were star-struck over Sandusky as well.
I became a needy kid after my father died. I was in 2nd grade, and remember being absolutely horrified the first day I went back to school, and a girl on the playground said to me “Your daddy died, my mama saw it in the newspaper!” My mother went on like he had never existed, throwing away his pictures and everything. I had to grieve by myself, crying myself to sleep every night. She didn’t seem to notice that. Of course, she had lots of reasons to want to hate him because he was an alcoholic batterer. I could not remember any of that. I only knew about it from my 2 years younger sister, who didn’t block it out like I did. It’s like my grief was never validated or acknowledged, and that made me a very lonely child – what parent could ignore their own child’s grief?? It created a confusion and an empty space in me that I couldn’t understand!
I have been a victim of the smear campaign in my own family, and it has been one of the worst things that has ever happened to me, especially because I didn’t understand what was happening, except that all of a sudden I was shunned by my siblings! Finally, after almost seven years, my sister finally said to me that she knew that my youngest sister “had scapegoated me!” I had been waiting for her to say that to me for the last year, after we got back in touch when my mother was dying a year ago. The bad people will out themselves at some point. I sent a letter to my younger brother a couple of months ago, after years of his smear campaign against me, his constant lying, and completely stonewalling me for years. I called him on all of it! I said as long as he feels necessary to lie to people, and pretend that he tries to get in touch with me, we will have no relationship!
While my mother was alive, she was constantly splitting all of us, smearing one behind the other’s backs, and controlling and bullying us with her narcissistic rages. My brother is a chip off the old block! But at least my mother was honest, which he is NOT!
I saw my sister shortly after that conversation, when she happened to be in town for business. We had not spent an evening together in years. I thought we would talk about a lot of these things, but we talked about politics, with which she is obsessed. Ever since, I have been feeling really terrible, like all of those terrible bad feelings I thought were gone, have come back to haunt me.
She is the one and only person to have validated me at this point, but since she has been manipulated in the past, and doubted me because of my other sister’s machinations, I still don’t completely trust her. I feel exposed, and not safe. It’s like finally seeing her brought back all the pain of what my other sister did to me! They live in the same town, and I was afraid to say anything until my sister could see it for herself! Then, I finally broke! I told her that I had broken with my brother when I did, because he is a pathological liar and I don’t trust him. He borrowed money from me years ago and has never bothered to pay it back, and has completely stonewalled me for years while telling other family members that he has “tried and tried” to get in touch with me! At least the “concreteness” of his not paying me back was something easy to explain to my sister. She only sees him a couple days a year here and there, so she has not been able to acknowledge or see his bad behavior! But she and my other sister (all of us, in fact!) do know that he lied to his last 2 serious girlfriends that he wasn’t married! So he also has the obvious track record of being a liar.
My younger sister was sexually abused by a man my mother brought into the family and married a couple of years after my father died. My baby sister was only 3 years old, and that’s when this man began sexually abusing her. I was happy to have a stepfather who was fun, and who would do things with me, as the oldest child. He taught me how to ride a bike, he taught me how to drive later on. He was a buffer from my mom’s complete emotional detachment and rage. When I needed a new bike, he bought me one. He took me hiking and camping. He even bought me a surfboard and wetsuit when I started surfing. He was 12 years younger than my mother, although she told us 10. Almost any fun thing I got to do was because of him, not my mom. I had a new dad!
He went to school on the GI bill, and my mother bore him a son when I was 13 years old. I was so excited to have a little brother – we called him “blueberry eyes!” I always felt close to him. When I graduated high school an was getting ready to go to college, he graduated also, and when I moved into the dorm my family was going to move 3 hours away because of his new job. So my first year in the dorm, away from my family, was very hard, and I didn’t have a car. The next year I moved to the beach with a friend – cheap rents, restaurants to work at, and of course surfing and all the rest. No TV, no phone – had to ride my bike to the fishing pier to the pay phone. At the beginning of my second year my money to buy books didn’t come when I expected it, so I called home, and learned that my stepfather of 10 years had left, and was living with another woman who had left her newborn son for him! That was a shock- I was 19 and on my own, and there was no money to send me, so I borrowed from a friend so I could buy my books, and got a job at the restaurant.
I had to call my mom and ask her why she hadn’t sent me money for school. She hadn’t bothered to let me know this would happen! When I had a chance to get home to visit, my closest sister then told me about the abuse of my little sister. She had finally said something to my mother, who then divorced him. I was 19 years old, and hearing about this totally crushed me. I didn’t know people did things like that! It It was in 1976, and there was no discussion of things like that. I had just lost another father! It put me in a rage, and I wanted to kill him!! How could 5 people live together in a house for 10 years, and not know this was happening?
I am 55 years old now, and this has shattered my family to a point where things will never be the same. My mom kept us all together for years, but she’s gone. My closest sister is the only family I have left, and she believed the lies and manipulations from my other two siblings for years. There is no coming back for people who have betrayed you so awfully. It will no longer be possible for me to have any relationship with those 2 siblings. I was finally doing a lot better, but it’s hard to not trust anyone anymore.
The thought that what this man did 40 years ago has taken my family away from me is tearing me up!! It will affect generations! I have been cut off from my niece and 3 nephews for the last seven years because of this.
I am a good person. i took the high road. I don’t know how to deal with this anymore!!!
7 steps,
I’m sorry you were raised in such a bad situation.
From reading your story, the most glaring thing that stood out is that you really don’t know what happened, not to your 3 year old sister with your step-dad, nor about your “alcoholic” father which you don’t remember.
I’m reading right now about false memories and how easy it is to implant them. If you don’t remember your father’s abuse, then how do you know it happened? Your family is not normal and lying is a common incidence in Cluster B’s. Your youngest sister is a liar. As you have mentioned, she smeared you. How do you know she didn’t lie about being molested by her step-dad?
Your mother sounds like a borderline PD. Her reaction to your father’s death is as if she blamed him for abandoning her. That’s typical BPD. They lie all the time.
How do you know why your stepfather left? Did you talk with him? It seems to me you would remember something about him being creepy if he had been molesting the baby sister.
I can sympathize with a lack of family. I don’t have one either anymore because I see what they are. All we can do, is work on ourselves to become healthy. You can’t do that in the context of sick relationshits, they will only drag you back into the muck –especially if they see you rising out of it. N’s and P’s and BPD’s can’t stand to have anyone leave them. If they see you becoming healthy, that looks to them as if you are leaving them behind. They become envious. What they will do is create drama for you to react to. That’s how they keep you ensnared in their sickness.
I would recommend learning as much as you can about the Cluster B personality disorders. I would also recommend reading about cognitive dissonnance. It’s quite an elaborate subject. Find books on these subjects. It will help you to recognized how the mind keeps us distracted and unable to see reality.
IMHO, you should get therapy, but not until you’ve educated yourself on these subjects, so that you can progess more quickly.
I’m so very sorry about your situation. Nobody should have to find themselves in that position, but unfortunately, it’s more common than we’d like to believe. I think that only knowledge can help us rise above it. And the determination to do so.
Thanks so much for responding, Skylar. I haven’t been here in a while. I have been in therapy – I went back almost a year ago, but in the last couple months i thought I would cut back, because I was doing much better. I had been just physically sick from the stress, so I started therapy and seeing a massage therapist on a regular basis. But seeing my sister definitely snapped something back to a horrible place!
I know my relationship is done with my youngest sister and brother. Done. They have both treated me with judgement, contempt, and cruelty, for no reason I know of. I am an honest person. I would never lie to any of them. They did this at a time when I was very sick and became disabled, and there was no way I could stand up for myself. I could see a lot of it happening, but I had no idea what was going on – no idea! I kept thinking there was some terrible misunderstanding, and waited for some chance to straighten things out, but that chance would never come, because they stonewalled me completely. I didn’t live where they did, and I haven’t been able to travel for 12 years because of my permanent disability. I’ve had fibromyalgia for 23 years, and in 2000 I had undergone 4 surgeries for endometriosis that completely disabled me. Before I did a lot of traveling to see my sisters, because I wanted to be in my niece and nephews’ lives. It was important to me, since I had no children of my own.
At a time when I lost EVERYTHING, my health, my job, my friends, my relationship, because of my illness, they turned on me like a pack of wolves. Years in bed, my life in complete chaos, with no family even in the same state. And on top of all that, shunned by my own family! Nothing like this had happened before – I always thought we were close, although I was never really close to my youngest sister, because we were 7 years apart. I made many trips to see her, after she got married and started to have children. I visited her, on my own dime, at least six times. But in 20 years of my living in the DC area, she never visited me once. She is a cold, manipulative b*tch. I thought that hearing my other sister admit that would make me feel better – I have needed that acknowledgement for a very long time. But I have just been feeling very ill for at least a week, and been just sobbing and in a rage for the last two days, which makes me physically sick and uncomfortable. It’s just an extreme emotional reaction, I think, that I haven’t had before.
There is no one who can tell you what to do in a situation like this! It is sickening to realize your own family members HATE you. LOVEFRAUD is the only place I have found where I can get some understanding of what has happened in my life. I came here four years ago, when I decided to stop contact with my mother, after I had moved back to my hometown to spend time with her. After two years of her denial of how my siblings were treating me, and her narcissistic rages, I realized I had to save myself. That broke my contact with everyone else in my family, which is why I had hesitated to do it. I felt horrible guilt, because she was 76 years old. But the concept of no-contact was completely unknown to me until I came here.
I think my brother has sociopathic tendencies, because his father was definitely a sociopath! My sister doesn’t believe that, but I do, based on his behavior the last 5 years.
I have no doubt that my stepfather did what he did. He was very handsome, very charming, and no one would have a clue what was underneath that. He was like a renaissance man, very smart, all kinds of interests. He was a pilot, who took us up in small planes. He and my mother bought a sailboat with my grandmother’s inheritance, and we all learned to sail. He helped her spend that money while she worked to put him through school. He had many affairs with neighbors and friends of my mothers, and he did what he did I have no doubt. I think he f*cked anything that moved. All he did was use her, and she was the first to say the man was a psychopath. She had read “The Mask of Sanity” a long time ago. My father was a psychiatrist, and she had worked in the medical field a long time. As soon as he had what he wanted, he left her for a co-worker, a woman who abandoned a BABY to be with him. This son of hers grew up to be a criminal – my brother knew him because he had contact with his father for many years.
The psychopath made sure his child support for his son was the minimum possible, and was barely in his life. His mother enabled him, and would never believe the man was a predator. But I lived with my mother and my brother for two years when I first got fibromyalgia – he was 15 to 16 years old. My brother dropped out of high school, and then went to live with his father for a time. The man swindled his own son out of the inheritance his grandmother left him!!! He would not let him go to his grandmother’s funeral, for that reason.
I have no doubt that only a sociopath could swindle money out of his own son!! So my brother has the gene pool, and on top of that the abandonment and my mother’s dysfunction and neglect. I felt sorry for him for a long time, but not anymore.
He came to live in the city I was in for six months, while he was in the army. I welcomed him with open arms. like his father, he is charming, intelligent, good-looking, and fun. But it soon became apparent to me that something was not right. He went into rages over the smallest thing, saying I was “disrespecting” him. I had no secrets from him, but he took that knowledge of my life in chronic pain and disability, and used it to smear me with the rest of the family, telling them that I was a drug addict and god knows what else! I didn’t find out about that for a long time. I could not believe how someone could misinterpret my situation so blatantly, when I was absolutely upfront with him about everything going on with me. I didn’t think he would betray me – I had no idea! I was so naive, I thought that he would let everyone else in the family know that since he had a firsthand look at the hardships I was going through, that maybe I would get some more compassion and understanding because of it!!
Boy, was I ever wrong!!! I saw him borrow money from me, to go back to his hometown to divorce the sociopathic grifter he had married, and who was holding onto him like a life raft. Why would he get involved with such scum as this woman? I think that’s no accident. I think there’s a lot about his life that no one suspects. I have a firm intuition that he’s a sex addict, like his father. He would start “relationships” with a girl he had known for five minutes! This was troubling to me. I saw serious character flaws I had not noticed before! His roommate after he dropped out of college was a drug-addicted stripper, who died running her car into a bridge abutment. No sex, but a lot of outrageous drama in that “relationship!” He is inappropriate and says sexual remarks frequently. He sickens me! I never want to see him again!
Boy, was I ever wrong!!! I saw him borrow money from me, to go back to his hometown to divorce the sociopathic grifter he had married, and who was holding onto him like a life raft. Why would he get involved with such scum as this woman? I think that’s no accident. I think there’s a lot about his life that no one suspects. I have a firm intuition that he’s a sex addict, like his father. He would start “relationships” with a girl he had known for five minutes! This was troubling to me. I saw serious character flaws I had not noticed before! His roommate after he dropped out of college was a drug-addicted stripper, who died running her car into a bridge abutment. No sex, but a lot of outrageous drama in that “relationship!” He is inappropriate and says sexual remarks frequently. He sickens me! I never want to see him again!
When he left my city, I never heard from him again. He would not return phone calls, or emails. Then he went with the army to Afghanistan, which in my family somehow excused all bad behavior. I kept wondering why my mother would cover for him, and not admit the obvious lies. I saw her for who she really was, callous and completely self-interested. After I moved back to spend time with her, the first Christmas I was there, she said my little sister was coming down to take her out for dinner, because she had gotten divorced, and her husband had her kids. I was not invited!! I was like, “Mom, didn’t you tell her I was living here, and that i had no one else to spend Christmas with?” That was just something I could NEVER understand! That was when i began to see clearly that my mother would not stand up for doing the right thing! My little sister had stonewalled her mother for TEN YEARS, so my mother was not going to rock the boat!
That was when I really started to get upset, and go into a depression. I would still spend time with my mother for the next year, until the next Christmas, when EVERYONE in the family EXCEPT ME was invited to my sister’s house to spend Christmas together! I did not get a phone call, or a card. Nothing! I got so upset that at that point I was done! I talked to my mother ONCE during the time she was up there, and started to get upset about it on the phone with her. She said to me (really!!) “Stop it, 7steps, you’re being HYSTERICAL!!!”
I snapped after that. I broke contact with her. She called me ONCE, a couple of weeks later, and left me a message in a voice dripping with contempt, that “I don’t know what I did to make you angry with me, but this silent treatment just isn’t CUTTING IT!”
For the first time, I heard how she was speaking to me, in a completely detached way, like I was someone else. I thought, holy sh*t, i have NEVER heard such hate and contempt in someones voice like that!! This is a HORRIBLE person!! Except, now that I realized it, i had heard that contempt many many times throughout my life, from childhood on. A couple of months later I had a breakdown and dropped ny to see her for a couple of minutes, and she pretended like nothing was wrong. She was very good at that. that’s the last time I ever saw her. She died a year later of cancer. That’s when I finally heard from my sister.
God, that’s depressing!
That’s horrible 7-steps. It seems to me that people who have been in emotionally abusive relationshits tend to get fibromyalgia. I always find out that they had abusive husbands and then later, learn that they come from N parents too.
That’s why, as hard as it is, NC is healing for us. At the very least, we need to have more loving relationships than bad ones, to help us heal.
I can relate to being astounded at the malevolence in your siblings. Me too. It seems like just yesterday you were playing with them, helping them with their homework and running thru sprinklers with them. And you thought you had a bond of affection from that shared history. Nothing could be further from the truth. All they ever saw you as, was a RIVAL. Spaths are all about competition and they don’t bother playing fair. Life is a game to them but at the same time, they don’t have limits to how far they’ll go to win. In their eyes, you deserve to lose for being “weak”.
Showing weakness around a spath makes the spath salivate. They can’t wait to eat you alive.
My own siblings are that way, but they are clueless too. They can’t imagine that my kindness is not weakness. They only see what’s on the surface. Never tip your hand to them and you’ll be ok.
Skylar,
As somebody who can’t remember all the details of her rape, I find your comments “how do you know that this happened” very insensitive.
My P sister cannot remember her childhood.
Let me relate to you how the therapists explained the loss of memories to me.
The mind blanks out what it cannot endure. The pain is too much. The horrors are too much.
Children do not blank out happy childhoods.
Really, Skylar, I’m struggling very, very hard to give you the benefit of the doubt that you were just asking out of curiousity, but that has to be one of the most insensitive, ignorant things I have read on this site.
Why don’t YOU do the research?
Grace,
sorry to offend you. It was an honest question and it was not addressed to you, it was addressed to 7-steps. She didn’t say she was offended.
The reason I ask is because I’m reading a book, right now, that questions loss of memories. It says that the data shows just the opposite. Holocaust survivors didn’t forget what happened to them. People who have been through wars remember vividly.
The entire book is about cog/diss. It’s written by researchers who provide research data. It’s very convincing.
It also says that false memories DO exist and are very easy to implant. It gives research data on that too.
So my only suggestion to 7-steps is that perhaps her father, the psychiatrist was not as bad as she was told.
The basis for considering this possibility is that her mom was a manipulative N, her sister is younger and perhaps could have had the memories implanted.
The fact that 7-steps is the eldest and the most normal of the bunch with her next sibling being the next normal, seems to indicate that perhaps they had a good influence in the early part of their lives, for a longer period than the other kids. Perhaps the father?
You seem to be a rational person, interested in research and science. You might enjoy the book. It’s called, “Mistakes Were Made (but not by me)”
By the way, I’m not taking sides on the issue of lost memories, I was simply pointing out another possibility to consider.
Also Grace, my comment was to suggest to 7-steps that she give more credence to HER OWN MEMORIES, than she gives to her sister’s. Your own memories are the only thing you can own. Whether they are there, forgotten, or implanted, they are still yours, in your head and for you to address. Her sister’s memories should not carry as much weight as her own.
I didn’t tell 7-steps to negate what she remembered, in fact, it was just the opposite. I told her she needed to give credence to what SHE REMEMBERED. And to consider the source when giving credence to what other people remember.
I fail to understand how that can be offensive to you.
7stepstoheaven, I am so sorry for your experiences. Getting to the core of what actually happened is daunting, at best, and IMHO I’m not always certain that knowing details is always beneficial to recovery. Sometimes, I believe that specific dynamics preclude the events as they truly happened – spath parents/family members won’t care about the facts or how we were so damaged. Bottom line for ME is that I only need to acknowledge that my childhood was instrumental in my being groomed to become a dependent “victim.”
G1S, I type this with due respect for your own recovery: nobody has been appointed the LoveFraud Hall Monitor. Not one of us who is in their own various stages of recovery has all of the “right” answers. If one reader learns something to assist them in their personal recovery from another reader’s history and recovery, then it is a triumph. To say that you are “struggling” to give the “benefit of the doubt” to another reader is out of line and definitely offensive to me. I’ll make a gentle suggestion that attending to one’s own inventory may be more profitable.