“The motivation (for lying) is particularly baffling in endogenous deceit when the psychopath may appear to have everything he wants yet continues quite predictably to commence the manipulative cycle.” So says Dr. Reid Meloy in The Psychopathic Mind, p121.
“I don’t think they even eat an ice cream cone just for pleasure, I think they do everything for the effect it has, or the image it presents. It isn’t about what is REAL it is about what they can appear to be. To them, I think, if they can get others to believe it, then it becomes “reality” as far as they are concerned.” So says Ox Drover in a comment on this blog.
There is complete agreement about one thing regarding sociopaths, that is lying defines them. While studies show that many people lie daily, the lying behavior of sociopaths differs in both degree and kind from “normal” lying. Sociopaths do not just misrepresent the truth in small ways to spare someone’s feelings, avoid an argument or avoid trouble. Sociopaths misrepresent themselves and this misrepresentation extends to everyone they know. (For more advanced readers, there may not be much of a self there to misrepresent.)
You don’t need a checklist
So today I can tell you with confidence that you don’t need a checklist of symptoms or a forensic expert. If you are astounded by another person’s capacity to lie and misrepresent reality you can be sure you have encountered a sociopath.
I said a few weeks ago that I think Meloy’s book The psychopathic Mind is a great contribution to humanity. In this book, Meloy puts forth the idea that we can identify “psychopaths” by observing what he calls “the psychopathic process.” I searched the book for a precise definition of “the psychopathic process” and couldn’t find one but he implies that psychopathy is defined by the way a person interacts with others and with him/herself. He also says that it is possible to identify a “psychopath” by the way that person makes you feel. If you can look within yourself and monitor your own reactions you can learn to tell when you are face to face with “the psychopathic process.”
It doesn’t “work” on me anymore!
I have learned what it feels like to be “worked” and because I know what that feels like, “it” doesn’t work on me anymore. Sociopaths do not just lie, they work people. Their relationships are an occupation for them and it’s not just a job, it’s an adventure. They will even work when there is no apparent reason to. Why do they do this? They do this because there is nothing else they can do. They have little or no capacity to look within and find an inner compass of values and pleasures. As Ox Drover points out, the only real pleasure they have is their “work.”
Dr. Meloy gives a great example of a psychopath “at work” on page 138 when he discusses a professional who was “worked” by a psychopath. Knowing that he was going to be assigned a certain probation officer, the psychopath asked others who knew her about her interests. On discovering that the woman was interested in metaphysics and the writings of Alfred North Whitehead, the psychopath went and read the writings. He then gained the respect and admiration of the P.O. because he discussed these writings as if he too had a genuine interest in them that predated his knowledge of her.
Meloy says, “He does not just play the role, observing the limits of his character, but lives the part.” People are taken in by the psychopath’s work because in the moment the psychopath really thinks and feels the part. His part is real and yet also a deception.
You know you are being worked when the things you love/enjoy are mirrored in this way. You can tell the difference between this mirroring and real sharing by the extent to which the other person tries to build your enthusiasm and point to the apparent “twin-ship” you share. This mirroring and twin-ship can occur with big things as in the metaphysics example and it can occur with little things as in the ice cream example.
Now if you know what I am talking about, you have been worked; you are likely far along in the recovery process because you know what this feels like. If you have only a vague notion of what I am saying, Dr. Meloy has other words of wisdom for you.
In the psychopathic process there is a “complete disconnect between words and actions.” If you notice that a person’s actions point south and their words point north, you are dealing with a sociopath. To be concrete, if the person says they love you and either doesn’t spend much time with you, or repeatedly harms and stresses you, you are in the middle of a psychopathic process. But remember since the person “lives the part” at the moment he/she is with you and says “I love you” there is some vague reality to the statement (especially if the person has the disorder in a lesser form, see last week). To see the psychopathic process, you have to train yourself to pay attention to both a person’s words and to remember that person’s deeds at the same time.
If you do this you will be able to see the disconnect between words and deeds and the psychopathic process. If you begin to see the psychopathic process, it is very important that you not share this observation with the psychopath. He or she will not benefit from your feedback and may even become violent. At the moment you see the process, you must discipline yourself and disconnect. If you have problems with self-discipline you likely need a therapist to help you disentangle from the psychopathic process.
Recovery and discovery are about learning to pay attention. Pay attention to yourself and pay attention to what other people say and do. Most people need help in order to learn the skill of paying attention. That is the kind of help a good therapist can give you.
In the next few weeks we’ll talk more about the psychopathic process. Please feel free to share your experience of being worked or the disconnect between words and deeds.
hummingbird – They have plan A to Z, we are mere options to them, thats why they have so many on the hook at one time, the more options they have the bigger their heads get. When we are their only option they love us more than anybody else. (that was sic humor)
Dear Karen,
I am at least glad that you found out the truth! He will keep on trying to drag you back into his web—and your only hope and defense is to stay NO CONTACT as much as possible. Since you have a child together it may not be possible to do 100% No Contact (NC) but for now if you have to contact him I would do it through a 3rd party (attorney if necessary) or let your folks speak to him, but since you are not married to him you should have some leverage at least and won’t have to go through a divorce. Actually I wouldn’t count on child support even if you get it court ordered….and you may be better off with him out of your life than trying to collect “blood out of a stone” and out of your child’s life as well.
Sounds like an unholy mess!
I’m glad you are here, knowledge is power so learn and read and read and learn! There’s a great deal of knowledge here on this blog with over 700 articles and lots of folks to support you. YOU ARE NOT ALONE!!!! There are some great folks here!!! (((hugs)))) and God bless.
Karen,
It sounds like those kids really do love you. I am sorry to read your story and hope that the blessing is the children.
My own son has turned out to be a rock for me. He knew all along that his father was not a nice guy. And he is very protective on the subject of the second husband (now annulled) who was a real con artist.
Rise above and laugh again. There are good people in the world and it sounds like you are heading in a good direction. Keep going.
Karen;
Welcome to LF.
He will be back….and you must be prepared…..GO NO CONTACT.
You got a taste of how NC feels….and it will give you time to remove the rose colored glasses you wore for 9 years.
Don’t look at the past 9 years as a waste…..it was the tuition you paid for these lessons.
You are in for a load of growth and figuring out ‘who’ YOU are.
This is the gift from this process.
It’s a journey…..buckle up…..cuz there are gonna be bumps in the road ahead.
Be true to yourself, do what’s best for your kids, take care of yourself…. (drink protein shakes for nourishment if you can’t eat)…..and know…..learn and grow through this.
It’s NOT you….
He won’t be any different with anyone else……
Trust your gut……
And protect yourself.
Again….welcome to LF.
XXOO
EB
Karen, hello and I am glad you are here. Minute by minute about sums it up! It is difficult to deal with a “normal” relationship breaking up, but when you discover it was all lies… it is like hitting a brick wall. It sounds like over the past 9 years you have had a wonderful son and have an extended family that loves you, that is priceless, and congratulations for graduating from nursing school !!! (I wish I had a Nursing Degree!!) Good advice from the ladies who posted above. Keep reading and keep posting!! It really helps, I would still be wandering around in the fog if it wasn’t for this site!!!
Karen,
I’m so sorry for your pain….you’re in a safe place here, were you will gain allot of knowledge and help you in your healling path.
It is also a lie when they say good bye, I’ve found someone new. He will be back with a vengance and he will try to charm you with all your week buttons. It is a trauma bond….first the sweet stuff then when they have you hooked they pull the rugh with the cruel stuff. It’s all a game to them. There are so many books on the subject that will help you, I encourage you to read them.
Be kind and gentle with yourself…..the children are a blessing.
jeannie812,
The BEAR story was REAL! I turned and walked away from it with my dog in tow looking over my shoulder to make sure it had not followed me. I make it out of the trail safely only to run into it again on the street side, he was looking for food between the houses. I was freightened but he ignored me and I kept walking with out panick. I was safe….but my heart and mind raced…..above all I realized ONCE AGAIN….what a low life the spath was. Any body else would have stayed on the phone with me to make sure I was safe….even my worst friend would have done that much.
After our discussion about TW, I decided to google Narcissism, and found this:
http://www.lifeissues.net/writer/mcm/mcm_25narcissism1.html
Long and meaty, but worth the effort.
Okay, click on link, and then choose by topic and enter, “The dynamics of evil”. Don’t know why I have so much trouble posting a link, but there it is.
What do ya’ll think of a person that lies for no reason other than to present a false image? It’s not as an attempt to swindle money or things, but only to be seen as someone other than who she really is?
I knew a woman like this a couple of years ago, and her storys, and “experiences” grew more and more unbelievable, until I couldn’t believe anything she said, and had absolutely NO idea who I was dealing with. There were inconsistancys, and a general sense that things just didn’t add up, time frames were impossible…etc.etc.etc.
She said she had 5 children in another state…didn’t have a photograph of any of them. Never got a phone call or letter…nothing.
She said she had nine brothers and sisters, same as above.
She said she had gone to an aviators school, but hadn’t had even High school Algebra.
She said she had turned States witness in a drug case and had been entered into the witness protection program with a new identity, and then told all these storys about her “original”
self, including name and plase of residence, the names of all those children etc.etc.etc. Am I wrong to assume that if you are in a WPP, You do not tell anyone?
Good God. It’s not like she was out to get anything from me, except, perhaps approval, or admiration, but why?
Anyway, I turned tail, and ran.