“The motivation (for lying) is particularly baffling in endogenous deceit when the psychopath may appear to have everything he wants yet continues quite predictably to commence the manipulative cycle.” So says Dr. Reid Meloy in The Psychopathic Mind, p121.
“I don’t think they even eat an ice cream cone just for pleasure, I think they do everything for the effect it has, or the image it presents. It isn’t about what is REAL it is about what they can appear to be. To them, I think, if they can get others to believe it, then it becomes “reality” as far as they are concerned.” So says Ox Drover in a comment on this blog.
There is complete agreement about one thing regarding sociopaths, that is lying defines them. While studies show that many people lie daily, the lying behavior of sociopaths differs in both degree and kind from “normal” lying. Sociopaths do not just misrepresent the truth in small ways to spare someone’s feelings, avoid an argument or avoid trouble. Sociopaths misrepresent themselves and this misrepresentation extends to everyone they know. (For more advanced readers, there may not be much of a self there to misrepresent.)
You don’t need a checklist
So today I can tell you with confidence that you don’t need a checklist of symptoms or a forensic expert. If you are astounded by another person’s capacity to lie and misrepresent reality you can be sure you have encountered a sociopath.
I said a few weeks ago that I think Meloy’s book The psychopathic Mind is a great contribution to humanity. In this book, Meloy puts forth the idea that we can identify “psychopaths” by observing what he calls “the psychopathic process.” I searched the book for a precise definition of “the psychopathic process” and couldn’t find one but he implies that psychopathy is defined by the way a person interacts with others and with him/herself. He also says that it is possible to identify a “psychopath” by the way that person makes you feel. If you can look within yourself and monitor your own reactions you can learn to tell when you are face to face with “the psychopathic process.”
It doesn’t “work” on me anymore!
I have learned what it feels like to be “worked” and because I know what that feels like, “it” doesn’t work on me anymore. Sociopaths do not just lie, they work people. Their relationships are an occupation for them and it’s not just a job, it’s an adventure. They will even work when there is no apparent reason to. Why do they do this? They do this because there is nothing else they can do. They have little or no capacity to look within and find an inner compass of values and pleasures. As Ox Drover points out, the only real pleasure they have is their “work.”
Dr. Meloy gives a great example of a psychopath “at work” on page 138 when he discusses a professional who was “worked” by a psychopath. Knowing that he was going to be assigned a certain probation officer, the psychopath asked others who knew her about her interests. On discovering that the woman was interested in metaphysics and the writings of Alfred North Whitehead, the psychopath went and read the writings. He then gained the respect and admiration of the P.O. because he discussed these writings as if he too had a genuine interest in them that predated his knowledge of her.
Meloy says, “He does not just play the role, observing the limits of his character, but lives the part.” People are taken in by the psychopath’s work because in the moment the psychopath really thinks and feels the part. His part is real and yet also a deception.
You know you are being worked when the things you love/enjoy are mirrored in this way. You can tell the difference between this mirroring and real sharing by the extent to which the other person tries to build your enthusiasm and point to the apparent “twin-ship” you share. This mirroring and twin-ship can occur with big things as in the metaphysics example and it can occur with little things as in the ice cream example.
Now if you know what I am talking about, you have been worked; you are likely far along in the recovery process because you know what this feels like. If you have only a vague notion of what I am saying, Dr. Meloy has other words of wisdom for you.
In the psychopathic process there is a “complete disconnect between words and actions.” If you notice that a person’s actions point south and their words point north, you are dealing with a sociopath. To be concrete, if the person says they love you and either doesn’t spend much time with you, or repeatedly harms and stresses you, you are in the middle of a psychopathic process. But remember since the person “lives the part” at the moment he/she is with you and says “I love you” there is some vague reality to the statement (especially if the person has the disorder in a lesser form, see last week). To see the psychopathic process, you have to train yourself to pay attention to both a person’s words and to remember that person’s deeds at the same time.
If you do this you will be able to see the disconnect between words and deeds and the psychopathic process. If you begin to see the psychopathic process, it is very important that you not share this observation with the psychopath. He or she will not benefit from your feedback and may even become violent. At the moment you see the process, you must discipline yourself and disconnect. If you have problems with self-discipline you likely need a therapist to help you disentangle from the psychopathic process.
Recovery and discovery are about learning to pay attention. Pay attention to yourself and pay attention to what other people say and do. Most people need help in order to learn the skill of paying attention. That is the kind of help a good therapist can give you.
In the next few weeks we’ll talk more about the psychopathic process. Please feel free to share your experience of being worked or the disconnect between words and deeds.
Sorry to keep adding posts, but I’m caring for my GC, ages 1.5 and 2.5 and they keep NEEDING ME. LOL.
But as far as the woman I was posting about, one day I did get that SLIMED feeling in the pitt of my gut that was so strong it was in my face, yelling at me. It wasn’t fear, exactly, but it was a huge uneasiness, and I asked myself, why? I remebered having the same feelings for years with my Xhub….a kind of intimidation, a feeling of being “less than,” a feeling that I was always wrong, stupid, or just inferior…and even though I knew I wasn’t, I was always put in a possition to prove it, to gain esteem from him, and I knew then, she was bad news and I had to get away, fast.
Great article- it does feel so very important, in the process of healing, to boil all the unresolvable complexity that we try to comprehend in healing from sociopaths, down to simple truths.
I was thinking of two quotes that have run through my head for years as mantras, and always seem to help me remember what is important when that oogy feeling inside is reminding me to pay attention to that all-important discrepancy between another persons actions vs. words, regardless of the source:
Maya Angelou: “When people show you who they are, believe them, the first time.”
This one has been SO comforting and invaluable.
The second quote helped me through the worst parts of the divorce and custody problems with my ex; was it passed on by a friend who was also dealing with an abusive ex:
“If you do what you always did, then you’re going to get what you always got.”
This one reminds me to hold my boundaries and heart cards close to my chest when dealing with insincere folks whose intentions might be to use what they know about sincerity and good intentions to harm, particularly in their relentless pursuit of power over. It also reminds me that I do not ever have to play into other people’s power schemes.
Thanks, ATB. Both excellant reminders.
I remember when my best friend told me once, Kim, I think you’d be a lot better off, if you’d trust people to STAY IN Charactor! Aint that the truth!!
oh kimmy…what do *I* think of a person who lies for no reason to present a false image?
BWAAAHAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!
She was just trying to play you. They get a kick out of it…it’s the ‘evil glee’ buzz. What could the evil doer who was in my life get out of it? a few orgasms (real or faked by the fake boy), a whole lot of laughs….but what? she didn’t try to take my money and (’cause she was already up on mail fraud charges) she wouldn’t even let me send gifts…..
she did it all for the grift. the buzz. *’cause she can.*
she wanted to swindle you alright – but what she was after was drawing you into her story – it’s about that. if they are drawing you in the game is ‘on’ and they are winning.
thanks for posting this – i just figured something out. what it was she was trying to defraud me of: my mind.
kim – that pit feeling – that’s the sign that we are being manipulated by someone disordered. we ARE being devalued. that we are a cat toy. (with no offense to cats) those disordered ones, they like to ‘play’ with people.
i gotta go….wish i could stick around and post more. have a good day!
Bluejay, and it’s so self-defeating. I mean, if someone can’t be loved for being who they really are, then being fake means that only the fake person is loved. If someone is loved for the mask they wear, they aren’t loved.
Yeah, One-step, I think they feel powerfull by getting over on us…they feel the exhilaration of the pulling it off…and they will never cop to the lie, they’d rather kill us first, because THEY ARE THE LIE, and that’s all they are, there’s no self underneith, and if that void is exposed, then they die! Whew!
What pitiful disordered FW’s they are!!
One time I took my X BF to a doctor to get a physical for a job. He was in the doc office ten minutes, on the way home he said they found a spot on his lung. I asked surprised that they had a xray machine in such a small clinic and were able to get the results so fast..he changed the subject…I was skeptical about anything he said, it just got to the point I didnt believe anything that came out of his mouth..what did I really know about him that was true? I will never know.
Hens, your XBF was setting up his next excuse for not working for a living…he was very ill, after all…LOL, but when you questioned him, he had to shrug his shoulders, and start devising his next scheme. Sheesh. If they put one tenth of this energy into developing themselves, instead of developing the lie, they’d probably really amount to something decent.