“The motivation (for lying) is particularly baffling in endogenous deceit when the psychopath may appear to have everything he wants yet continues quite predictably to commence the manipulative cycle.” So says Dr. Reid Meloy in The Psychopathic Mind, p121.
“I don’t think they even eat an ice cream cone just for pleasure, I think they do everything for the effect it has, or the image it presents. It isn’t about what is REAL it is about what they can appear to be. To them, I think, if they can get others to believe it, then it becomes “reality” as far as they are concerned.” So says Ox Drover in a comment on this blog.
There is complete agreement about one thing regarding sociopaths, that is lying defines them. While studies show that many people lie daily, the lying behavior of sociopaths differs in both degree and kind from “normal” lying. Sociopaths do not just misrepresent the truth in small ways to spare someone’s feelings, avoid an argument or avoid trouble. Sociopaths misrepresent themselves and this misrepresentation extends to everyone they know. (For more advanced readers, there may not be much of a self there to misrepresent.)
You don’t need a checklist
So today I can tell you with confidence that you don’t need a checklist of symptoms or a forensic expert. If you are astounded by another person’s capacity to lie and misrepresent reality you can be sure you have encountered a sociopath.
I said a few weeks ago that I think Meloy’s book The psychopathic Mind is a great contribution to humanity. In this book, Meloy puts forth the idea that we can identify “psychopaths” by observing what he calls “the psychopathic process.” I searched the book for a precise definition of “the psychopathic process” and couldn’t find one but he implies that psychopathy is defined by the way a person interacts with others and with him/herself. He also says that it is possible to identify a “psychopath” by the way that person makes you feel. If you can look within yourself and monitor your own reactions you can learn to tell when you are face to face with “the psychopathic process.”
It doesn’t “work” on me anymore!
I have learned what it feels like to be “worked” and because I know what that feels like, “it” doesn’t work on me anymore. Sociopaths do not just lie, they work people. Their relationships are an occupation for them and it’s not just a job, it’s an adventure. They will even work when there is no apparent reason to. Why do they do this? They do this because there is nothing else they can do. They have little or no capacity to look within and find an inner compass of values and pleasures. As Ox Drover points out, the only real pleasure they have is their “work.”
Dr. Meloy gives a great example of a psychopath “at work” on page 138 when he discusses a professional who was “worked” by a psychopath. Knowing that he was going to be assigned a certain probation officer, the psychopath asked others who knew her about her interests. On discovering that the woman was interested in metaphysics and the writings of Alfred North Whitehead, the psychopath went and read the writings. He then gained the respect and admiration of the P.O. because he discussed these writings as if he too had a genuine interest in them that predated his knowledge of her.
Meloy says, “He does not just play the role, observing the limits of his character, but lives the part.” People are taken in by the psychopath’s work because in the moment the psychopath really thinks and feels the part. His part is real and yet also a deception.
You know you are being worked when the things you love/enjoy are mirrored in this way. You can tell the difference between this mirroring and real sharing by the extent to which the other person tries to build your enthusiasm and point to the apparent “twin-ship” you share. This mirroring and twin-ship can occur with big things as in the metaphysics example and it can occur with little things as in the ice cream example.
Now if you know what I am talking about, you have been worked; you are likely far along in the recovery process because you know what this feels like. If you have only a vague notion of what I am saying, Dr. Meloy has other words of wisdom for you.
In the psychopathic process there is a “complete disconnect between words and actions.” If you notice that a person’s actions point south and their words point north, you are dealing with a sociopath. To be concrete, if the person says they love you and either doesn’t spend much time with you, or repeatedly harms and stresses you, you are in the middle of a psychopathic process. But remember since the person “lives the part” at the moment he/she is with you and says “I love you” there is some vague reality to the statement (especially if the person has the disorder in a lesser form, see last week). To see the psychopathic process, you have to train yourself to pay attention to both a person’s words and to remember that person’s deeds at the same time.
If you do this you will be able to see the disconnect between words and deeds and the psychopathic process. If you begin to see the psychopathic process, it is very important that you not share this observation with the psychopath. He or she will not benefit from your feedback and may even become violent. At the moment you see the process, you must discipline yourself and disconnect. If you have problems with self-discipline you likely need a therapist to help you disentangle from the psychopathic process.
Recovery and discovery are about learning to pay attention. Pay attention to yourself and pay attention to what other people say and do. Most people need help in order to learn the skill of paying attention. That is the kind of help a good therapist can give you.
In the next few weeks we’ll talk more about the psychopathic process. Please feel free to share your experience of being worked or the disconnect between words and deeds.
WIMP!
4 feet of snow only means I don’t have to mow the lawn while it’s around! 🙂
AND…..btw….I only wear fleece! 🙂
EB, I don’t have to mow the yard in the winter either! so THERE!!!!
In fact, I only mowed it 2 x this summer since we had no rain and it was covered with leaves from the trees dropping them. No grass growing.
Most of the time fleece is too hot for here even in the winter time. Though I do nave a north face sleeping bag good to minus 20 but I’ve never camped in cold enough weather to zip it up! LOL
My beautiful lawn is so dead…..I’ve only gotten the mower out once this year……*sigh*
🙁
My yard use to be so beautiful and green…..then I went into foreclosure and I turned off the water to save some dough…..
Still in foreclosure…..spoke to the bank today…..went all EB on them. This process is such a joke…..CORPORATE SOCIOPATHS for sure!!!!
I told them……Get this Maam……I’m NOT going away, so play all the games you wish…..I WILL NOT GO AWAY…..you will not push me aside, you will only shut me up, by doing your job and being EFFECTIVE and providing me what I need in communications. 12 calls NEVER returned is NOT going to shut me up…..Soon, you will find it more efficient to take my calls vs listening to my messages……
This process is in NO WAY streamlined or efficient and if I ran my business this way…..I’d be shut down by the govmt.
If you think I wont’ expose this process, you’ve messed with the wrong gal.
GET MY MODIFICATION DONE…….and take my file off your desk!!!!
It’s been 2 years!!!!!!! 2 YEARS!!!!
Then…..I called ABC News….and spoke with my contact there…..GAME ON BOYS!
Dear EB,
I thought this biatch was going to be nice to you, that was the last we’d heard—you should keep us up to date more darling!
I read the other day where some banks are actually selling the notes for what they are worth rather than what the “figure” is and that new mortgage buyers are picking them up and financing with the owners at a newer amount and rate and the people are staying there.
The banks are really being stupid forcing the people out so the houses get ransacked and fall to decay and are worth even less than they are NOW—and read a great article in the NYTimes on that too….but you may be up against one of the unrealistic ones. I hope not.
Son D and I were talking the other day about how PRICES for lots of thins are coming DOWN DOWN DOWN. LIke He went to a gun show the other weekend and bought a LIKE NEW 22 rifle that is competition quality that sells new for $2500, for $425. He also bought another .22 very good quality rifle in NEW contition that sells new for about $650, and he got it for $75.
Both of these guns would have (2 years ago before the recession) have sold for 3/4 of their NEW price at the minimum. The fact i s that people are getting in need of money and these collectors or owners are selling “for what they can get” so since there are less people buying, the prices are coming DOWN DOWN DOWN for the “Like New” condition guns (and other things). I’ve been watching craig’s list and e bay for prices on usable stuff is there a definite down turn in prices, and most collectable stuff is way down or not selling at all.
Well, good luck! I know they’ve got a scrapper on their hands!!!!
Yes oxy, the first girl was my BFF….and immediately she was taken off the file and I was transfered to another anylist.
That anylist I spoke with once…..and 12 messages later over the past month…..can’t reach her……today told I was assigned to ANOTHER anylist……
I told the exec. offices if they put more energy into working on my file RATHER than transfering it…..I’d be done!!!
Just spoke with the senators office…..the guy helping me before was TRANSFERED!!!!! THe girl now was a bit snippy…..and NOT very helpful…..His vote hinges on whether or not they help me!
She had no answers for me…..the obligitory…I can’t speak for the banks…..we arenot the banks….yadayada…
I’ve got a headache…..and yes….I’m in my scrappy mood today! got the FU face on!~
Kim,
My G-d! Hearing someone else describe what you have described sends chills up my spine and brings back some memories!
I too considered myself to have a fairly good bit of self-esteem. I also thought that I was pretty wise to the ways of the world. Nope, no naivete here! After all, I did grow up in the city and was a pretty hip chickadee:):)
I would say that I was computer illiterate, completely technologically challenged. She on the other hand was in the tech business. She would ‘show’ me how to do something on the computer but would go so fast, and have so many different directions, that it would reinforce my ‘ignorance’,
I’m not a huge fan of cooking. It’s not that I can’t, I simply don’t enjoy it all that much. Guess what? She was a gourmet cook AND master baker. Baked and decorated all of her kids birthday cakes… Went as far, at one point, to call my mother-in-law to get her special recipe so that she could bake my husbands favorite cake for him. She would tell me not to worry, she would be happy to do the baking, don’t buy a cake… She said she wanted to make sure my kids had home baked cakes, meals… Yep, reinforced that I was a failure as a mother.
Over the years my self-esteem was beaten down. My daughter asked me to bake her a cookie cake a couple of years back. I did it, quite successfully! When I started to decorate it, I had to pull the icing off three different times. I began crying. It was if she were standing behind me telling me ‘Give it to me, I’m happy to do it…I’m so good at that!’
Stories such as these, independently, seem so harmless. Yeah right, harmless!
Unbelievable what these demons are capable of. The subtlety of their ways. How many lives are ‘touched’ by these monsters, with the victims have no clue?
ErinBrock,
I’m so sorry! To say that sucks is an understatement! At least you have enough self-esteem to stand up and fight. I, myself, am not quite there yet!
Good luck!
BTW, scrappy is good:)
Thank you Stilltrying!
I guess it’s not something you ‘prepare’ for…..you just DO IT!
Do it when required.
I lived like Scooby Doo for too many years….so I guess to get out of all the trouble I allowed myself to get into…..now it’s SCRAPPY all the way! 🙂
To Ox Driver, Silvermoon, ErinBrock, Shabbychic, and Aeylah-thanks for the welcome and the encouraging words!! I’ve learned so much already! My sleepless nights now will be filled with reading the articles on the site, arming myself with the knowledge for when he tries to come back. I know it will be soon.
Oh good….I’ll have some late night company on LF then!!!
🙂