“The motivation (for lying) is particularly baffling in endogenous deceit when the psychopath may appear to have everything he wants yet continues quite predictably to commence the manipulative cycle.” So says Dr. Reid Meloy in The Psychopathic Mind, p121.
“I don’t think they even eat an ice cream cone just for pleasure, I think they do everything for the effect it has, or the image it presents. It isn’t about what is REAL it is about what they can appear to be. To them, I think, if they can get others to believe it, then it becomes “reality” as far as they are concerned.” So says Ox Drover in a comment on this blog.
There is complete agreement about one thing regarding sociopaths, that is lying defines them. While studies show that many people lie daily, the lying behavior of sociopaths differs in both degree and kind from “normal” lying. Sociopaths do not just misrepresent the truth in small ways to spare someone’s feelings, avoid an argument or avoid trouble. Sociopaths misrepresent themselves and this misrepresentation extends to everyone they know. (For more advanced readers, there may not be much of a self there to misrepresent.)
You don’t need a checklist
So today I can tell you with confidence that you don’t need a checklist of symptoms or a forensic expert. If you are astounded by another person’s capacity to lie and misrepresent reality you can be sure you have encountered a sociopath.
I said a few weeks ago that I think Meloy’s book The psychopathic Mind is a great contribution to humanity. In this book, Meloy puts forth the idea that we can identify “psychopaths” by observing what he calls “the psychopathic process.” I searched the book for a precise definition of “the psychopathic process” and couldn’t find one but he implies that psychopathy is defined by the way a person interacts with others and with him/herself. He also says that it is possible to identify a “psychopath” by the way that person makes you feel. If you can look within yourself and monitor your own reactions you can learn to tell when you are face to face with “the psychopathic process.”
It doesn’t “work” on me anymore!
I have learned what it feels like to be “worked” and because I know what that feels like, “it” doesn’t work on me anymore. Sociopaths do not just lie, they work people. Their relationships are an occupation for them and it’s not just a job, it’s an adventure. They will even work when there is no apparent reason to. Why do they do this? They do this because there is nothing else they can do. They have little or no capacity to look within and find an inner compass of values and pleasures. As Ox Drover points out, the only real pleasure they have is their “work.”
Dr. Meloy gives a great example of a psychopath “at work” on page 138 when he discusses a professional who was “worked” by a psychopath. Knowing that he was going to be assigned a certain probation officer, the psychopath asked others who knew her about her interests. On discovering that the woman was interested in metaphysics and the writings of Alfred North Whitehead, the psychopath went and read the writings. He then gained the respect and admiration of the P.O. because he discussed these writings as if he too had a genuine interest in them that predated his knowledge of her.
Meloy says, “He does not just play the role, observing the limits of his character, but lives the part.” People are taken in by the psychopath’s work because in the moment the psychopath really thinks and feels the part. His part is real and yet also a deception.
You know you are being worked when the things you love/enjoy are mirrored in this way. You can tell the difference between this mirroring and real sharing by the extent to which the other person tries to build your enthusiasm and point to the apparent “twin-ship” you share. This mirroring and twin-ship can occur with big things as in the metaphysics example and it can occur with little things as in the ice cream example.
Now if you know what I am talking about, you have been worked; you are likely far along in the recovery process because you know what this feels like. If you have only a vague notion of what I am saying, Dr. Meloy has other words of wisdom for you.
In the psychopathic process there is a “complete disconnect between words and actions.” If you notice that a person’s actions point south and their words point north, you are dealing with a sociopath. To be concrete, if the person says they love you and either doesn’t spend much time with you, or repeatedly harms and stresses you, you are in the middle of a psychopathic process. But remember since the person “lives the part” at the moment he/she is with you and says “I love you” there is some vague reality to the statement (especially if the person has the disorder in a lesser form, see last week). To see the psychopathic process, you have to train yourself to pay attention to both a person’s words and to remember that person’s deeds at the same time.
If you do this you will be able to see the disconnect between words and deeds and the psychopathic process. If you begin to see the psychopathic process, it is very important that you not share this observation with the psychopath. He or she will not benefit from your feedback and may even become violent. At the moment you see the process, you must discipline yourself and disconnect. If you have problems with self-discipline you likely need a therapist to help you disentangle from the psychopathic process.
Recovery and discovery are about learning to pay attention. Pay attention to yourself and pay attention to what other people say and do. Most people need help in order to learn the skill of paying attention. That is the kind of help a good therapist can give you.
In the next few weeks we’ll talk more about the psychopathic process. Please feel free to share your experience of being worked or the disconnect between words and deeds.
Genevieve, BehindBlue, Gemini: Your descriptions are exact. Everything I read here explains my old feelings of WTF? I knew in 3 days after marriage something major switched….bad behavior, controlling behavior…weird, asshole behavior. we went hiking in Breckenridge on honeymoon….it started raining, thunder…people were walking back down as we were going up. I don’t mind rain as I am from rain country (Alaska!) but later after we were above tree line and there was thunder and lightening I was worried. Then, the kicker…(now I am from Alaska, very good hiker, camper etc and very safety oriented) he saw a clearing and took off running. He left me on the mountain! I walked up to where he started running and looked around. A huge clearing with no husband in sight. I thought omg I will be one of those news reports….husband vanishes on honeymoon…I was at first seriously concerned and then 30 minutes later pissed off. I didn’t know if I should go back down, try to find him…I prayed and thought and then he appeared. I was very angry and told him to NEVER do that again when hiking. He acted like I was some crazy woman. Then, he wanted to go off trail. I said NO. But I followed him and we ended up lost…of course..duh….and then we had to slide down an ice ledge to get to a trail of some kind…it was a nightmare. Then years later when we were talking with some friends from Romania who talked about their hiking experiences in Europe my x spath made a comment like ‘that sounds so fun….my wife won’t do anything adventurous like that…she is so safe’ and I just looked at him like what a jackass. He was always a sort of cowboy in how he did things. I wanted to learn to fly but I saw he was going to try to hone in on that too and not allow me to have my thing,,,(I was a mountain biker and he had to start doing it and then become kind of famous for it…he HAD to be center of attention at all times and NEVER give me credit for anything I was capable of doing…which is a lot!) and I thought there is no way in hell I’d ever fly with him. He doesn’t pay attention to detail, is not safety conscious…
I, too, sometimes think it is me. I am the crazy one. I did this. It’s so great to read here and remind myself of the truth…a truth I haven’t been validated for until now.
I see him and my brother in all of your posts. It is amazing what I grew up with, what I put up with. How he was able to target me, test me…see that I was slow to judge him, easy to forgive him, never call him on bad behavior. I am only now getting the to see the red flags and ask about it here as a reality check. My gosh…I am so sick of being a people pleaser and we as women are told what bitches we are for standing up for ourselves..and men are told they are great, strong businessmen when they do it! No more!
I had a ‘nice’ convo with ex MIL.
We spoke about her husbands (dead) roots……it was interesting.
UNTIL….she got to the part where FIL’s grandparents were born in Tx. I asked, well…..how did they get to Mexico from TX? She said, oh…..your kids are 5th generation americans. It’s been 5 years since anyone came from Mexico.????? WHAT?
I was befuffled…….I said. Well…your husband came from Mexico when he was 11 and pushed a lawnmower around to help support the family. She said….he never mowed laws, they were ranchers in TX.
WHAT????? 11…..lawnmower…..what /where did that story come from>!>!>!>! SPATH.
That was the history he wrote for himself….I had no reason to doubt that….Why would anyone doubt a family ‘history’ story!?
Okay….so I was set straight on that……Revise my memory bank.
So…..convo went into the kids……THEN….the drug bust.
I told her how humiliating it was for kids to have their father splashed- mug shot and all on the front page of the paper…..Facing felony charges…..
She agreed…..and said, how sad…..At that point I knew, she knew about the arrest.
She went into ‘protection’ mode temporarily……and I quickly brought her out of it…..saying…..MIL, he’s a drug dealer, he’s always been a drug dealer, and that’s all he’ll ever be…..a drug dealer.
I said…..we all have choices.
She said, yes….I know….and I hope he chooses to change, but I don’t think he will…..I said how can he…to change you must take responsibility for your wrongs…..and HE DOESN”T!
Everyting is my fault, the kids fault, your fault, the neighbors, the judges yadayada….
She said….yeah…..and he isn’t taking responsibility for this drug arrest either so far…..I said….OH PRAY TELL…..who’s fault is this one…..she said….the polices’s, for pulling him over for no reason!
I said….there ya go…..fact confirmed!
Doesn’t negate the fact he had 100K in drugs in his car. The police were wrong for pulling him over….
NICE TRY…..but the judge didn’t by that one either…..DENIED MOTION TO DISMISS>
So he’ll come up with another excuse…..he was never read miranda, cops beat him up, planted drugs on him, they weren’t his, DUMBSHIT….he already told the DA where he supposidly picked them up…..(which was another lie)….He lied to protect his ‘farm’……so he said he picked the drugs up at the grocerty store? UM….which Isle is the pot on?????
He won’t change….his actions and words are polar opposite.
He’s a liar and a cheat, who likes to portray himself on a high pedastal……..at his age in life……all he knows is drug dealing and telling fancy stories……He weill NEVER be happy making 8bucks an hours…….it doesn’t fit his portrayal of King TUT.
So…….back to the drugs he goes…..sell, sell, sell…….and live high on the hog, to attrack fake admireres to his fake life.
She also said, he wasn’t a good father……she saw it for herself. She said they had spoken about the kids….and she told him he wasn’t a good father……He FLATLY denies that…..He is ADAMANT he was a great father…….ADAMENT!
I said….ofcourse he is….guilt is an outward emotion he will never have……his ‘guilt’ is in the form of shame…..deep rooted shame.
If he admitted his wrongs….in fathering the kids…..he’s not be so high on his pedestal…..he’d have to explain more of WHY he isn’t in his kids lives…..it’s easier on him to believe he was a good father and play the victim.
He’s good at victim……he gains attention and support being a victim…..and it keeps his mind clear to con others also.
I said….whatever he believes is fine…..the truth is what his kids believe and what they do with their beliefs……
THus far….it ain’t looking so good for spath.
He will play the victim until he dies…..because it WORKS for him.
Dear EB,
I am in agreement with your MIL if the cops hadn’t pulled him over for “nothing” he would not be in trouble for the $100K in drugs he had in his car…he can explain those. It is the cops’ fault all together.
Just like my P son is in prison for murder he did in jan 1992 because I turned him in for the felony robbery he did in march of 1989. If I had not turned him in then, he wouldn’t have had a record, and he would not have committed the murder to keep from his parole being busted, therefore it is MY fault he is in prison for murder.
Makes sense to me. NOT!!!! But that is the way they think and apparently your MIL and my egg donor also think alike.
Attention grocery store shoppers, we have a blue light special in the produce department, an ounce of…uh hum, lettuce, only 50 bucks…. 😉 ROFLAO.
Boy that is a special…I meant 150. bucks.
They do blame things on us, not remembering the specifics of an event accurately. My h-spath has pulled me into his web of lies. Last month, he told me that I kicked him out, something that I didn’t do. The h-spath made the decision to leave (informing me that he was moving out – I didn’t stop him), renting a house, and moving out (last Sept.). His thinking is faulty, not even remembering things like they happened.
Dear Bluejay,
I’m glad for you that he decided to leave, blaming you or not, YOU ARE RID OF THE SOB OUT OF YOUR HOUSE!!!!! Sometimes they DO DO US A FAVOR!!!!
There is always the blame shifting. Also, from Lisa Scott:
“He portrays false integrity, appears helpful, comforting, generous in his ‘idealization’ of us phase.”
I experienced, this included being taken to the hospital at his insistence, only to be dumped two days later.
“He may drop verbal clues about his true character early in the relationship, but we fail to grasp its meaning. Later, when the psychopath eventually emerges, we remember his early warning.”
Had three very subtle ones regarding his sexual nature:
1) Alluded to a “kid in candy shop days” when he first came out of the closet.
2) Friends joked about his profile on “gaydar,” a popular gay website. I would later learn his gaydar profile was banned.
3) On my mention of a rather notorious gay bar in New York, he seemed very curious, right down to a posture change, since he had not heard of this bar before.
These brownies that I just picked up at the grocery store taste funny….when did they start putting arugula in brownies???
Rosa, I think you must be “high”—are you sitting on a hill? LOL Must be all the cyber brownies you ate, along with the fresh lettuce and stuff found in EB’s X’s car, when he was stopped for NO REASON, so it is the cop’s fault you know. His mother said so! LOL