“The motivation (for lying) is particularly baffling in endogenous deceit when the psychopath may appear to have everything he wants yet continues quite predictably to commence the manipulative cycle.” So says Dr. Reid Meloy in The Psychopathic Mind, p121.
“I don’t think they even eat an ice cream cone just for pleasure, I think they do everything for the effect it has, or the image it presents. It isn’t about what is REAL it is about what they can appear to be. To them, I think, if they can get others to believe it, then it becomes “reality” as far as they are concerned.” So says Ox Drover in a comment on this blog.
There is complete agreement about one thing regarding sociopaths, that is lying defines them. While studies show that many people lie daily, the lying behavior of sociopaths differs in both degree and kind from “normal” lying. Sociopaths do not just misrepresent the truth in small ways to spare someone’s feelings, avoid an argument or avoid trouble. Sociopaths misrepresent themselves and this misrepresentation extends to everyone they know. (For more advanced readers, there may not be much of a self there to misrepresent.)
You don’t need a checklist
So today I can tell you with confidence that you don’t need a checklist of symptoms or a forensic expert. If you are astounded by another person’s capacity to lie and misrepresent reality you can be sure you have encountered a sociopath.
I said a few weeks ago that I think Meloy’s book The psychopathic Mind is a great contribution to humanity. In this book, Meloy puts forth the idea that we can identify “psychopaths” by observing what he calls “the psychopathic process.” I searched the book for a precise definition of “the psychopathic process” and couldn’t find one but he implies that psychopathy is defined by the way a person interacts with others and with him/herself. He also says that it is possible to identify a “psychopath” by the way that person makes you feel. If you can look within yourself and monitor your own reactions you can learn to tell when you are face to face with “the psychopathic process.”
It doesn’t “work” on me anymore!
I have learned what it feels like to be “worked” and because I know what that feels like, “it” doesn’t work on me anymore. Sociopaths do not just lie, they work people. Their relationships are an occupation for them and it’s not just a job, it’s an adventure. They will even work when there is no apparent reason to. Why do they do this? They do this because there is nothing else they can do. They have little or no capacity to look within and find an inner compass of values and pleasures. As Ox Drover points out, the only real pleasure they have is their “work.”
Dr. Meloy gives a great example of a psychopath “at work” on page 138 when he discusses a professional who was “worked” by a psychopath. Knowing that he was going to be assigned a certain probation officer, the psychopath asked others who knew her about her interests. On discovering that the woman was interested in metaphysics and the writings of Alfred North Whitehead, the psychopath went and read the writings. He then gained the respect and admiration of the P.O. because he discussed these writings as if he too had a genuine interest in them that predated his knowledge of her.
Meloy says, “He does not just play the role, observing the limits of his character, but lives the part.” People are taken in by the psychopath’s work because in the moment the psychopath really thinks and feels the part. His part is real and yet also a deception.
You know you are being worked when the things you love/enjoy are mirrored in this way. You can tell the difference between this mirroring and real sharing by the extent to which the other person tries to build your enthusiasm and point to the apparent “twin-ship” you share. This mirroring and twin-ship can occur with big things as in the metaphysics example and it can occur with little things as in the ice cream example.
Now if you know what I am talking about, you have been worked; you are likely far along in the recovery process because you know what this feels like. If you have only a vague notion of what I am saying, Dr. Meloy has other words of wisdom for you.
In the psychopathic process there is a “complete disconnect between words and actions.” If you notice that a person’s actions point south and their words point north, you are dealing with a sociopath. To be concrete, if the person says they love you and either doesn’t spend much time with you, or repeatedly harms and stresses you, you are in the middle of a psychopathic process. But remember since the person “lives the part” at the moment he/she is with you and says “I love you” there is some vague reality to the statement (especially if the person has the disorder in a lesser form, see last week). To see the psychopathic process, you have to train yourself to pay attention to both a person’s words and to remember that person’s deeds at the same time.
If you do this you will be able to see the disconnect between words and deeds and the psychopathic process. If you begin to see the psychopathic process, it is very important that you not share this observation with the psychopath. He or she will not benefit from your feedback and may even become violent. At the moment you see the process, you must discipline yourself and disconnect. If you have problems with self-discipline you likely need a therapist to help you disentangle from the psychopathic process.
Recovery and discovery are about learning to pay attention. Pay attention to yourself and pay attention to what other people say and do. Most people need help in order to learn the skill of paying attention. That is the kind of help a good therapist can give you.
In the next few weeks we’ll talk more about the psychopathic process. Please feel free to share your experience of being worked or the disconnect between words and deeds.
Thank_you, Bulletproof. I feel the same way about you.
We never cease to amaze me, and I’m also greatful to have this site and all the couragious and insightful folks that share it with me.
fearlesspeace- what a beautiful quality to ASPIRE to…leave it as a wonderful goal you reach for….but what I hear you saying NOW is you don’t trust anyone and the belief in people being good is shot to hell. Totally understandable.
I would encourage you to express yourself just by continuing to put words out here, and let your thoughts be interacted with…it works like a blender, in that you are allowing space around your bitterness and anger, and that is what actually can break it down and transform it into a less harmful, emotion….so you allow remarks, observations about yourself and also get some comfort….it’s awful to experience this kind of evil, it’s miserable and you need a steadying hand and the feeling of support…..so go for it…
kim F- Yay! it’s great
BP, Let me make one “correction” in your post above the last one, I didn’t GIVE you the luxury to put tired old friendships out to pasture, I validated that YOU COULD. YOU are the one that DID IT. You give yourself credit where credit is due girlfriend!
NONE of us here can GIVE anyone anything except some validation or ideas, each of us has to RUN WITH THEM on their own.
I liken it to a friend being your “birthing coach” YOU ARE THE ONE WHO STILL HAS TO PUSH THAT BABY OUT THROUGH THE PAIN! All the encouragement in the world isn’t going to DO IT FOR YOU!
I’m glad that I encourage you to DO it, but at the same time, darling I am proud of you for DOING what you know is right! What is RIGHT FOR YOU!!!!! (((Hugs))))
fearless,
NEWSFLASH: NOT everyone is good.
Wow, what a revelation. But you know what, that’s reality! You have accepted reality.
FALSEHOOD: Everyone has some good in them way down deep.
FALSEHOOD: Anyone can be helped if you just love them enough.
TRUTH: there ARE people out in the world who are EVIL who will hurt you no matter how good you are to them. Who will take advantage of you.
So what to do? Use CAUTION and you will learn which ones you can trust and which ones you cannot trust. BE WISE.
You have now won the “wisdom is learning who is trustworthy, not giving trust away to just anyone” award! Congratulations!!! TOWANDA!!!! You are learning! Good job!!!!
FearlessPeace:
Let’s talk Jersey Shore for a second…
Did you see season 1 of Jersey Shore???
In season 1 of Jersey Shore, it was Sammi who was the psychopathic one, and Ronnie was the big Jughead who was being played by Sammi.
Did you see in season 1 when Ronnie’s parents came to visit, and Sammi made his entire family sit and wait while SHE got ready????!!! VERY NARCISSISTIC of Sammi to do that.
And then (Season 1), when Ronnie got into the fight on the boardwalk, Sammi turned on the tears and made it all about herself by accusing Ronnie of “traumatizing” her.
Very selfish and manipulative move, and Ronnie fell for it.
In season 1, Sammi isolated Ronnie from the entire house and completely monopolized all of his time, and Ronnie was a willing victim, of course.
In season 1 of Jersey Shore, Sammi was the psychopathic one and Ronnie was the puppet, my opinion.
In season 2, Ronnie is definitely being a bad dude with everything he is doing, and he knows it.
He’s being a typical 24 year old guy.
But, he never did these things in Season 1.
So, what’s the deal with the big turnaround in Ronnie’s behavior?
I believe he saw what a FOOL she made out of him in season 1, and now he’s fed up with Sammi.
He even gave a little insight into how she has treated him when he said to her on the first show of the 2nd season, “You’re UNGRATEFUL.”
I think there is a reason that Ronnie is acting so badly this season, after being a completely devoted boyfriend to Sammi last season.
I think Ronnie is tired of being manipulated by his psychopathic girlfriend.
He’s tired of trying to please someone who cannot be pleased, and he’s letting off a little steam.
It’s Ronnie’s behavior that has done a complete 180 degree turnaround from last season.
Sammi is still calm, cool, and collected.
The only difference is that this season she is framing herself as a victim, even more than last season.
And she’s still trying to regain control over Ronnie.
Sammi & Ronnie should definitely not get married.
I wish there were more men on this site who would offer their opinion on what Ronnie is doing.
But you know, the dynamic between Sammi and Ronnie is actually insignificant within the scope of the show.
Because it’s really all about SNOOKI & THE SITUATION!!! 🙂
Gotta love those Jersey Shore kids….comedy relief.
Dr. Leedom,
Absolutely one of the best articles, straight forward and to the point. Thank you.
I often say a conversation with the p daughter is like sticking your head inside a blender. If she had a one question test, are you a man or a woman, she would have to say man, just to have something to lie about.
Thank goodness I have finally learned how to deal, I become totally disconnected when I am forced to talk with her. It is like I am talking to a computer, I hear her words, but they have no meaning to me.
Thanks again for the great article.
In this article, it said that the spath ‘works’ people. Absolutely, this is the game they play and we victims are the puppets they play with.
The spath cannot be told he’s lying. It’s always not him, I’m not that guy, I’m a good guy, I take care of my family and I’m NOT the person you think I am. I think that underneath his mask, he knows that something is wrong. “You think I have some sort of alter-ego, I’m not that person, I’m just like everyone else.” Maybe he has a notion that he’s different and doesn’t want to be different.
The lying though, he absolutely hates if you think badly of him and will try and talk you out of it, even when you have concrete evidence. I had to tell the spath that I will do whatever it takes to protect myself and my children, so go ahead and slander me, we’ll see where that gets you. He’s pushed me way too far. Go ahead and tell the psychologist that I’m “coaching” our daughter. I will get a custody evaluation so fast your head will spin, daughter will tell the truth. He is desperatly afraid of friends and family having a low opinion of him, he will want to keep his secrets.
Sorry about the digression, he just WON’T LEAVE ME ALONE!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ugh!!!! It’s so frustrating.
Nothing prepares you for this, the depth of their lying.
Fearless, OxDrover,
One of the things that I hear most often from people who contact Lovefraud is, “I didn’t know such evil existed.” Yes, it does.
Because there’s so little awareness of this sociopathy, we see the warning signs – like words going south and actions going north – and don’t know what they mean. That’s how we get caught.
How do you know when you’ve encountered one?
Read, read, read.
Read everything on lf.
Dr. Hare-Without Conscience
Dr. Martha Stout-Sociopath next door
read, read, read……. and be open to the truth and reality of what you’re really dealing with. This has been what has helped me.
Yes, this is a ‘simple’ but yet profound key to identifying a psychopath. For people who tend to really think out situations, it’s especially difficult, because we want to give people the ‘benefit of the doubt’. We don’t want to ‘judge’ unfairly. Most of us that fall into the victim category, tend to adhere to the good in people, or that people are good, until they show us otherwise. Well, that’s fine to be upbeat and optimistic, but animals don’t operate on this principle. They operate on ‘gut instinct’ and we do have ‘gut instinct’, but many times we tend to override that. MISTAKE! This is where the psychopath’s words come into power. If they can spin the words good enough, they can cause us to override that natural warning system we have. That’s why it’s so important to listen to the warning, view the actions, and compare the two. In the beginning their actions do match their words, but always, there are red flags and that little unsure feeling in the stomach. When I get that feeling, I listen now. I know something doesn’t jive.