“The motivation (for lying) is particularly baffling in endogenous deceit when the psychopath may appear to have everything he wants yet continues quite predictably to commence the manipulative cycle.” So says Dr. Reid Meloy in The Psychopathic Mind, p121.
“I don’t think they even eat an ice cream cone just for pleasure, I think they do everything for the effect it has, or the image it presents. It isn’t about what is REAL it is about what they can appear to be. To them, I think, if they can get others to believe it, then it becomes “reality” as far as they are concerned.” So says Ox Drover in a comment on this blog.
There is complete agreement about one thing regarding sociopaths, that is lying defines them. While studies show that many people lie daily, the lying behavior of sociopaths differs in both degree and kind from “normal” lying. Sociopaths do not just misrepresent the truth in small ways to spare someone’s feelings, avoid an argument or avoid trouble. Sociopaths misrepresent themselves and this misrepresentation extends to everyone they know. (For more advanced readers, there may not be much of a self there to misrepresent.)
You don’t need a checklist
So today I can tell you with confidence that you don’t need a checklist of symptoms or a forensic expert. If you are astounded by another person’s capacity to lie and misrepresent reality you can be sure you have encountered a sociopath.
I said a few weeks ago that I think Meloy’s book The psychopathic Mind is a great contribution to humanity. In this book, Meloy puts forth the idea that we can identify “psychopaths” by observing what he calls “the psychopathic process.” I searched the book for a precise definition of “the psychopathic process” and couldn’t find one but he implies that psychopathy is defined by the way a person interacts with others and with him/herself. He also says that it is possible to identify a “psychopath” by the way that person makes you feel. If you can look within yourself and monitor your own reactions you can learn to tell when you are face to face with “the psychopathic process.”
It doesn’t “work” on me anymore!
I have learned what it feels like to be “worked” and because I know what that feels like, “it” doesn’t work on me anymore. Sociopaths do not just lie, they work people. Their relationships are an occupation for them and it’s not just a job, it’s an adventure. They will even work when there is no apparent reason to. Why do they do this? They do this because there is nothing else they can do. They have little or no capacity to look within and find an inner compass of values and pleasures. As Ox Drover points out, the only real pleasure they have is their “work.”
Dr. Meloy gives a great example of a psychopath “at work” on page 138 when he discusses a professional who was “worked” by a psychopath. Knowing that he was going to be assigned a certain probation officer, the psychopath asked others who knew her about her interests. On discovering that the woman was interested in metaphysics and the writings of Alfred North Whitehead, the psychopath went and read the writings. He then gained the respect and admiration of the P.O. because he discussed these writings as if he too had a genuine interest in them that predated his knowledge of her.
Meloy says, “He does not just play the role, observing the limits of his character, but lives the part.” People are taken in by the psychopath’s work because in the moment the psychopath really thinks and feels the part. His part is real and yet also a deception.
You know you are being worked when the things you love/enjoy are mirrored in this way. You can tell the difference between this mirroring and real sharing by the extent to which the other person tries to build your enthusiasm and point to the apparent “twin-ship” you share. This mirroring and twin-ship can occur with big things as in the metaphysics example and it can occur with little things as in the ice cream example.
Now if you know what I am talking about, you have been worked; you are likely far along in the recovery process because you know what this feels like. If you have only a vague notion of what I am saying, Dr. Meloy has other words of wisdom for you.
In the psychopathic process there is a “complete disconnect between words and actions.” If you notice that a person’s actions point south and their words point north, you are dealing with a sociopath. To be concrete, if the person says they love you and either doesn’t spend much time with you, or repeatedly harms and stresses you, you are in the middle of a psychopathic process. But remember since the person “lives the part” at the moment he/she is with you and says “I love you” there is some vague reality to the statement (especially if the person has the disorder in a lesser form, see last week). To see the psychopathic process, you have to train yourself to pay attention to both a person’s words and to remember that person’s deeds at the same time.
If you do this you will be able to see the disconnect between words and deeds and the psychopathic process. If you begin to see the psychopathic process, it is very important that you not share this observation with the psychopath. He or she will not benefit from your feedback and may even become violent. At the moment you see the process, you must discipline yourself and disconnect. If you have problems with self-discipline you likely need a therapist to help you disentangle from the psychopathic process.
Recovery and discovery are about learning to pay attention. Pay attention to yourself and pay attention to what other people say and do. Most people need help in order to learn the skill of paying attention. That is the kind of help a good therapist can give you.
In the next few weeks we’ll talk more about the psychopathic process. Please feel free to share your experience of being worked or the disconnect between words and deeds.
Really really LMAO!!HAHAHAHAHAHHA!! peeing my pants LMAO!!:)
Gurl you are crazy HAHAHAHA!!!!!!
Adamsrib,
It’s soooo wonderful to hear some happy news!!!! Finally someone is able to give the spath the what for, the old codger lost the battle! No wonder Viagra is profitable, there are so many spaths with overused privates, they can’t get it up anymore! Poor guys, feel bad for ’em, NOT!
Good things do happen. Thank gosh for karma.
I just re-read this article about the spath ‘working’ you. How they try to mirror your feelings and you think you hit the jackpot.
I wanted to share how the spath in my life hooked me by working me. I didn’t like him at first and thought he was kind of jumpy and seemed so intense. He was flirty and went to a party just so he could meet me, asked me out and gave me a wonderful card. I was just going through a divorce and he knew I had a hard time and was showing me sympathy. This whole time he is wooing me, he has his old girlfriend on the back burner. He lied about some things but I didn’t find it too disturbing because his explainations were plausable.
He pursued me hard and wanted a committment. He also fixed it so I wouldn’t talk to my old boyfriend, he said that Tom was spreading rumors about me, I was going to complain to human resources but spath talked me out of it.
Spath worked me from the beginning, he made it seem like he was my knight in shining armor, saving me from my bad circumstances. I thought he was too good to be true, turns out I was right.
They will work you and be so suave about it. They are self assured and arrogant, so much that if you catch them in a lie, they talk their way out. They work everyone in their circle of friends and family. It’s like they are on stage and it’s all a game. They are in it to win it.
Adamsrib:
GIRL……you BACKSPATHED HIM!
Hahahahahaha!!!!
You get the first GOLDEN EB Award!
Now…..take your win and go ‘grey rock’ on him!
adamsrib,
Thanks for the story, telling us about your spath encounter at the gym – very encouraging.
Towanda, adamsrib. Doesn’t it FEEL GOOD when you take back your power and start setting the ground rules? He tried pretty hard to keep the upper hand but you were brilliant, and out maneavered him. YOU ROCK!
Thanks for the props guys!! 🙂
What I forgot to mention is that I had come right when he was leaving but he stuck around to be a pest. He kept trying to talk to me and act cute in front of our friends. He finally approached me and that’s when it started. I was determined to stay NC even though I was in the same room. One friend asked me “what was that all about?”. I did tell her briefly but decided that it is best to keep my mouth shut as he will make HIMSELF look like a fool from now on.
I do intend to continue at the gym but will make sure to avoid his time. And if he is STUPID enough to show up at my time he’ll get more of the same. I simply WILL NOT take this anymore and I am not giving up my gym because of him.
I do realize that I need to be on guard because these people have a very uncanny (it’s down right evil) way of getting back into our good graces. He was smiling that smile at me the whole time and I was feeling soft inside. Glad I did not let that take over. I kept telling myself what an azzhole he has been to me. I could get really mean but as I have said before, senior citizens can still pull a trigger. I would rather avoid him completely. I have a feeling his pride will keep him far from me. Let’s hope it doesn’t cause him to try harder. That would suck.
EB: I am HONORED!!! Kim, it DOES feel good to know I DO NOT have to be a doormat for a sick ol fool or for ANYONE for that matter. I had a real moment there guys. 🙂
Oxy, I’ve got my skillet honed and ready to go…
adamsrib;
Hopefully that skillet is AIMED directly at Oxy for when she give her 97 year old-ho toting- neighbor cash again…..And NOT for the senior citizen sex toy of yours! 🙂
Cuz……HE DON”T DESERVE ANymore attention or anything from you!
Just go work out and be done!
You don’t want to play hand on stick with him……and tha’ts what it will become.
Leave empowered!
GREY ROCK, GREY ROCK!!!
Hey no kidding. That is why I don’t even want to be mean because mean is attention of some kind. NC means that to me. If he comes in at my time, I WILL shut him down again.
I am feeling very foolish that at my age I was taken in by this guy. I know it is because in some weird place in my memory bank I have 15 year old high school girl still crushing on a gorgeous teacher and don’t think he did not know that-he used it to his advantage. So I am feeling very STUPID . I should know better. I am thankful that it was not worse. I am sure he is dipping into the senior ladies barrel and reeking all kinds of havoc there. I don’t even want to know.
I disagree with charolottecreamer. I do not feel I need to pray for him. His soul will be judged by God. It is not my concern to change his soul. I pray for his poor grandchildren and his other victims. If I go the “I forgive you” route, he will use that too and I will get hooked in to feeling sorry for him. I feel like he is the loser and I absolutely CANNOT let him get me with the sympathy play. He will try anything it takes. I can forgive in my own heart and keep it to myself and FORGET it. Sadly, so many others here had such a hard time with their spaths that they cannot forget so easily. I pray for them, not for the perp!!
Maybe I’m dumb but what is Grey Rock?