“How did he really feel?” and “What did he want from me?” are two questions that often haunt victims of sociopaths. The reason we are haunted by these questions varies but often stems from the habit of over-focusing on the sociopath instead of ourselves. That being said, victims also have a healthy ”˜need to know’ that can help with recovery and healing.
I struggled with these questions in my own healing. I remain baffled by my observations of enjoyment of affection on the part of sociopaths. Early on, I told my own therapist that I had come to the conclusion that sociopaths exploit those close to them to the point of death, then, cry at the funeral. At the moment the tears are shed, I believe they do represent a grief of sorts. The feelings of loss experienced by sociopaths are however, short lived. Victims also have to beware because, although sociopaths are said to be incapable of feelings for those in their lives, they do become obsessed with them. Psychologists have not yet explained this obsession. If they don’t attach, why are they obsessed? Those who have read my other entries know that I believe that sociopaths do attach. It is what they do with attachments that is disordered.
How did he really feel?
In response to the picture of a sociopath crying at his victim’s funeral, my therapist said, “He feels what he tells himself he feels.” To help you understand what my therapist meant, I will explain what is known about how people usually experience feelings.
There are two components to feelings. The first is a physical sensation. When we experience a feeling we feel something in our bodies in relationship to that feeling. Think about loving someone close to you and sense how your body feels. Is it warmth in your heart? That is usually what people report.
There is much evidence that these physical sensations are disordered in sociopaths. Sociopaths do not generally experience the physical and hormonal changes that go along with feeling emotion. If they do experience them, it is to a lesser degree. Physical responses are blunted.
The second component of feelings is called attribution. Attribution is a cognitive process. When I feel that warmth in my heart as I see my children, I attribute the sensation to my love for them. Thus the physical sensation alone does not make emotion. Emotion is physical sensations and our interpretations of these sensations. There is also evidence that the parts of the brain responsible for attribution do not function properly in sociopaths.
There is one emotion that many sociopaths experience in a not so disordered way. This emotion is anger. Sociopaths do have blunted physical responses to anger. Despite this blunted responsiveness, they seem aware of angry feelings and make correct attributions about what makes them angry. Again, science has not even addressed, much less explained this observation.
Since the physical sensations and attributions that allow for the experience of emotion are disordered in sociopaths, their inner world is very different. They are left to make sense of themselves and others without the tools most of us use. Other parts of the brain fill in the missing processes. The person who is credited with first describing sociopathy in depth is Hervey Cleckley. He proposed that sociopaths are at least of average if not above average verbal intelligence. This makes sense because they have to use their verbal intelligence to make up for their lack of emotions. They do indeed feel what they tell themselves they feel. Scientists say they mimic other people’s emotions, yet again there is no real proof of this.
What did he want from me?
This question is easy to answer intellectually, but very hard for victims to accept emotionally. There are three pleasures we get from our love relationships. The first is pleasure in affection. The second is sexual pleasure. The third is pleasure associated with dominance and control. Sociopaths experience sex and dominance as enormously more pleasurable than affection. Therefore, they are in relationships to get sex and power, pure and simple.
If you love deeply and feel affection for others, you cannot fathom the inner world of an emotionally disordered person whose primary pleasures are sex and power. To understand another’s world you have to imagine yourself experiencing what the other experiences. You can’t do this with a sociopath.
Louise Gallagher said in her post The six steps of healing from a psychopath that the first step is acceptance. We have to accept that we can only know in part how sociopaths really feel and what they want from us. We can understand intellectually, but never emotionally.
Welcome Godschild,
Glad you found this place to help you heal! Keep on reading and learning. We start out I think learning about them and what they do, but it eventually becomes a journey about finding out about ourselves and why we put up with this abuse, but we learn to stop abuse in our lives—not only from the psychopath but from abusing ourselves as well, or allowin others to abuse us.
KNOWLEDGE=POWER and we take back our power. Welcome! You are at a good place here! God bless.
Godschild, so sorry for your experience but you have found a safe and validating place. I just recently joined and am amazed by the similarities in stories when I read members histories.
I did see that you have seen or speak to him??If that is correct, you must have no contact with him to heal.Do not answer his phone calls. Text or email ONLY about the children ONLY.
Block his no. if you dont have the will power yet. Ten years of “brain washing” is hard to overcome. His voice will trigger you. His typed words will trigger. No response to emotional junk…and get ready, because when you do this, he will intensify.
It may even help to have a friend or family member “screen” his emails and tell you how to respond. Protect your mind and thoughts. He is manipulating them with the “suicide” talk etc.
All business, ignore his baits. Email or text for the children’s info only. The only way to escape , reclaim your sanity and POWER…is no contact!! God Bless
Hello all. I’ve been lurking in the forum and feel led to share my recent experience. I am confused and hurt and just want to die most of the time. What I cannot fathom is how my ex P could appear so loving and caring to everyone else…taking care of his neices and nephews…everyone thought he was the greatest guy.
But after he’d been drinking, he would say how much he hated people, I seem to be the only one who heard it…hmmm.
Okay, here is what happened. Stupid me allowed him to sweep me off my feet 9 months ago. He said all the right things, was sweet, amazing lover, bought me gifts, emailed and called daily.
Serendipity, soulmates, kismit…this is why I never married before because I was waiting for you…oh geez! The only red flag I saw was when he occassionally went drinking with his buddies, he just got ridiculously drunk and lost things and blacked out…never abusive. This was a long distance relationship and we saw each other every weekend. Neither one of us had been married before(he’s 38 and I am 44).
So he proposed, he asked for my Dad’s permission, got a great ring…everybody loved him. He was never abusive to me.
Just found out at the end he told many many lies. When we started looking for a place to live, he started exhibiting passive aggressive behavior and not following through. He also was pulling back. I asked him if he wanted out or needed time and he insisted he wanted me up there.
After me coming up with spreadsheets for our budget, since he was opening a new restaurant and I was moving my business, he insisted that he had an IRA he was cashing out that we would use to set up housekeeping and elope. There always seemed to be a problem with this check arriving and I called him on it.
I was the one who put the deposit down on the apartment.
One week before I was supposed to move, he sent me and EMAIL after having a great weekend together(he bought me boxes and stuff) and him looking me straight in the eye saying he needed to prove it to me that he had this check and loved me, saying he wasn’t coming and we needed to talk.
The talk was he just couldn’t do it. So I had to scramble to get the lease canceled(he owes me money on this) and keep my place. I felt like I was run over by a mack truck!
He said he didn’t know why and that’s about all I’ve heard from him. He’s living in happy land with his new restaurant open that I pushed into existence, ignoring my request for money, and getting drunk with his friends. His whole family is a bunch of alcoholics and I am not exaggerating(found this out later spending much time with them) Will file court papers tomorrow..just great.
He told me he hadn’t had many serious relationships…liar!
3 years previously he pulled the same sh*t on a 21 year old.
That makes me wanna vomit. Just found this out. Probably told her all the same things he told me.
I loved this man, or what I thought was this man. How does everyone think he is so great? I feel like hell and can’t seem to function very well. I have been erased, like I do not exist.
I am grieving the loss of something that did not exist and a dream is dead. Need to find a new dream but getting out of bed is a major accomplishment these days. And he goes on with a great new life.
Thanks for listening. Any insight advice is appreciated.
hitandrun:
“I loved this man, or what I thought was this man. How does everyone think he is so great? I feel like hell and can’t seem to function very well. I have been erased, like I do not exist.
I am grieving the loss of something that did not exist and a dream is dead. Need to find a new dream but getting out of bed is a major accomplishment these days. And he goes on with a great new life.
Thanks for listening. Any insight advice is appreciated.”
You loved the person you THOUGHT he was not him. Why do people think he is so great? That is his roll he’s a very good actor and what he wants people to see is a great guy. Watch Dexter~
You’re probably grieving for a lot of things, what could’ve been, grieving the loss of who you thought he was, you’re lonely and one day after you get some distance, you’ll see that you are lucky in a lot of ways. You’re probably saying WHAT?~ many people who have been taken by sociopaths have far, far worse stories, you could’ve married him and had kids or had worse things happen. I know you probably can’t hear this now but one day you will, I promise you that. Take heart!
Dear Hitandrun,
They can appear in as many ways as they want, in my experience. And family often don’t see what others can see.
They may see *something* but chalk it up to “That’s just how(insert name) is!” Both good and bad.
I used to think the spaths in my life had “great” lives….I don’t think so any longer. They aren’t great in a way we’d want our lives to be great. My sister is a spath, and her life looks great from the outside. Really great. Tons of money, fans, attention. But very empty inside.
I think that’s important to remember–they are empty. They are not *happy* because they can’t be. They can appear happy, that’s about it.
Feeling like you’ve been erased & don’t exist…yes, know how that feels. They often do that because looking back, trying to make something wrong they did right, or at least explain, or apologize or acknowledge or make amends is not what they usually do. It seems their M.O. is to carry on, move on, and not look back.
What is in their rear view mirror is not important to them. Including their own children, their families (if their family is no longer useful for them) their friends, their lovers.
Grieving the loss of something that did not exist—that’s something most of us here are doing, or have done, or have in front of us.
I am learning to not take any spath crap personally because it isn’t personal–it isn’t about you as an individual. You were in the wrong place at the wrong time…and he probably did tell the 21 year old what he told you. In my experience, they do tend to repeat behaviours they find work for them.
Try not to fixate on his great new life. It isn’t great. It will never be great. It is not a life you would want. And you are fortunate he didn’t go through with the marriage. Really fortunate, although it may not feel that way right now.
You dodged a bullet. (And would you really want to live with an alcoholic?–I grew up with one–it’s hell) My ex husband was a spath and I wish I had never met him. I wish he had just used me for a while and dumped me—it would have been hard, but not as hard as going through a sham marriage was.
And I’d been single (divorced) for 21 years before meeting him. And had a life I enjoyed. You’ve heard of love bombing on this site…that’s what your ex did. He made it all seem so wonderful and everyone loved him? Typical, unfortunately.
I’m sorry this happened. Sorry you are here. It does get easier, getting out of bed will get easier. The loss is hard, but you are mourning an illusion. Classic spath loss. Maybe knowing it was an illusion will make it a bit easier. And knowing you are so much better off that it ended when it did…I so wish I had not gone through years with my ex–horrible years wasted and can never recover them…
Stay here and read and post…we know what you’re going through.
Thanks CAmom.
It’s been 29 days since he dropped the bomb and I just keep feeling worse by the day. I’ve always thought I was a strong person, but I have allowed this to level me. Need to toughen up and focus on what is good…I am being extremely double-minded. It’s not that I want him back, it is more like I wish I had a conscious choice to say
” I don’t want you assh*le.” But I did not get that choice.
And I wonder how you ever trust anyone again…I’m sure I will.
But what compares to fantasy-land,where everything is perfect, until the rug gets pulled out from under you? So naive…I never knew people lied like that except on Lifetime TV.
I see a lot of posts about people leaving the spaths, but not as many being left. Will look for “love bombing.”
All of us have been through bad things in our lives. This , has been far the worst in terms of how I feel inside…like my guts have been ripped out. When does this end????
Thanks, Zen. I didn’t see your post : )
There is a part of me that knows I got pulled out of a bad situation at the last minute. And there is another part of me that feels like I was emotionally raped. And I want him to feel bad, but he is incapable.
Trying to conjure up my warrior woman and file the court papers.
He’s blown off so many financial obligations in his life, but not this one. Do these people EVER experience their come-uppance?
hitandrun:
“Do these people EVER experience their come-uppance?”
Honestly I don’t know but I do know two sociopaths and both are female. Neither can hold a job both always getting fired, neither have good relationships or any relationship with their immediate families. Both have had issues with money, lawsuits, not paying bills, not paying traffic violations. Neither have a pot to piss in so to speak, always broke. Both alienate 99% of the people they come across. Both believe that they’re the ones who are always wronged. What an existence! You may believe that everyone loves this person, it takes a LOT of effort keeping up appearances. You can only spin so many plates at a time.
hitandrun,
These people lack INTEGRITY. My husband (I’m separated from him) left me, being fine with that. I was at the end of my rope in all ways (emotionally, spiritually, financially, etc.). There were days that I didn’t want to get out of bed (sometimes, I still have these moments) due to all the crap that he pulled, but I forced myself to keep going (I still do). Consider yourself lucky that you learned what he is like before you went any further with him. If I’d known what my husband was like before I married him, I wouldn’t have gotten married, avoiding a boat load of heartache. I am SORRY that you had the misfortune of getting tangled up with a spath.
Thanks bluejay. I am sorry that ANYONE has to experience this extreme weirdness. I am still in the ” I just don’t get it” phase.
And question, is he really a spath or is it me?
I did get damn mad the lat month before he pulled a Houdini because my intuition was manifesting in my body because I was in huge denial. Things began to not add up, so I would be very confrontational. Of course I blame my non-ability to just be cool and not point out the inconsistencies as the reason he left. Some co-dependent control non-sense. But deep down inside I know I was just reacting to something that was very wrong.
This just plain sucks. Hopefully,the pendulum will start swinging toward the more positive side(hey, I dodged a bullet!) The bad thing is I work for myself and have been very non-productive.
Like I’ve been in a fog and trudging through mud. During times like these, I think it would be best to have a regular job!
Blessings to everyone…we need it after these freakshows play their game on us.