“How did he really feel?” and “What did he want from me?” are two questions that often haunt victims of sociopaths. The reason we are haunted by these questions varies but often stems from the habit of over-focusing on the sociopath instead of ourselves. That being said, victims also have a healthy ”˜need to know’ that can help with recovery and healing.
I struggled with these questions in my own healing. I remain baffled by my observations of enjoyment of affection on the part of sociopaths. Early on, I told my own therapist that I had come to the conclusion that sociopaths exploit those close to them to the point of death, then, cry at the funeral. At the moment the tears are shed, I believe they do represent a grief of sorts. The feelings of loss experienced by sociopaths are however, short lived. Victims also have to beware because, although sociopaths are said to be incapable of feelings for those in their lives, they do become obsessed with them. Psychologists have not yet explained this obsession. If they don’t attach, why are they obsessed? Those who have read my other entries know that I believe that sociopaths do attach. It is what they do with attachments that is disordered.
How did he really feel?
In response to the picture of a sociopath crying at his victim’s funeral, my therapist said, “He feels what he tells himself he feels.” To help you understand what my therapist meant, I will explain what is known about how people usually experience feelings.
There are two components to feelings. The first is a physical sensation. When we experience a feeling we feel something in our bodies in relationship to that feeling. Think about loving someone close to you and sense how your body feels. Is it warmth in your heart? That is usually what people report.
There is much evidence that these physical sensations are disordered in sociopaths. Sociopaths do not generally experience the physical and hormonal changes that go along with feeling emotion. If they do experience them, it is to a lesser degree. Physical responses are blunted.
The second component of feelings is called attribution. Attribution is a cognitive process. When I feel that warmth in my heart as I see my children, I attribute the sensation to my love for them. Thus the physical sensation alone does not make emotion. Emotion is physical sensations and our interpretations of these sensations. There is also evidence that the parts of the brain responsible for attribution do not function properly in sociopaths.
There is one emotion that many sociopaths experience in a not so disordered way. This emotion is anger. Sociopaths do have blunted physical responses to anger. Despite this blunted responsiveness, they seem aware of angry feelings and make correct attributions about what makes them angry. Again, science has not even addressed, much less explained this observation.
Since the physical sensations and attributions that allow for the experience of emotion are disordered in sociopaths, their inner world is very different. They are left to make sense of themselves and others without the tools most of us use. Other parts of the brain fill in the missing processes. The person who is credited with first describing sociopathy in depth is Hervey Cleckley. He proposed that sociopaths are at least of average if not above average verbal intelligence. This makes sense because they have to use their verbal intelligence to make up for their lack of emotions. They do indeed feel what they tell themselves they feel. Scientists say they mimic other people’s emotions, yet again there is no real proof of this.
What did he want from me?
This question is easy to answer intellectually, but very hard for victims to accept emotionally. There are three pleasures we get from our love relationships. The first is pleasure in affection. The second is sexual pleasure. The third is pleasure associated with dominance and control. Sociopaths experience sex and dominance as enormously more pleasurable than affection. Therefore, they are in relationships to get sex and power, pure and simple.
If you love deeply and feel affection for others, you cannot fathom the inner world of an emotionally disordered person whose primary pleasures are sex and power. To understand another’s world you have to imagine yourself experiencing what the other experiences. You can’t do this with a sociopath.
Louise Gallagher said in her post The six steps of healing from a psychopath that the first step is acceptance. We have to accept that we can only know in part how sociopaths really feel and what they want from us. We can understand intellectually, but never emotionally.
I have no photos of him with men, but he did show me a pic of him when he was very young, in drag. He said it was a “halloween party”. Halloween party, my foot! I also kept his ad from that swinger site he’d joined, advertising himself as bi, and also kept copies of the confirmation e-mails to/from that swingers site, that he was a member of that site. One time, when we went out on the town to a club he picked, because I said I’d like to see what Salsa dancing was about, he picked a club where, when he went to the bathroom (and took his sweet time in there, while I almost ate all my shrimp scampi), a straight-looking guy approached me at the bar, and told me he was married and that he cross-dressed, so I think it was a hang-out for gays, there. Not that he bothered to tell me BEFORE he chose that place. I was just TOO trusting of him. I have NEVER accused him of having AIDS/HIV. It is just that, with what I gathered from his first wife about his “sexing men” activities behind her back, it “clicked” with me that he’s been in this “pattern” for much of his life, and, it more than “suggests” to me, that he is STILL in the closet, and (o.k..just to be safe, I’ll say “allegedly”) used as many women as he could, to try to convince himself otherwise.
He also seemed to enjoy, at one point in our relationship, telling me that a long-time male friend of his, a guitarist (whose playing method he described as “like someone carrying two buckets of water..stiff”..so that was CRITICIZING his friend’s guitar style!) who’d been in a variety band with him..said that that guitarist’s first wife had left him for a lesbian. He seemed to have gotten some kind of prurient satisfaction from telling me that. The guy was mentally ill, I’m telling you. The End (for the night, anyway)
CLUSTER B disorders are NOT a mental illness…..they are a personality disorder.
This is a common societal misconception.
not sure I agree with you, ErinBrock: Personality Disorders are a part of DSM Manual which is short for “Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders”. All of Cluster B are mental Dis-orders, which means – mental illness. At the time of diagnosis, Personality Disorders are put in Axis II, and Insurance agencies do not believe they can be treated. That is, treatment of a personality disorder may take anywhere from 2 years to a lifetime. But, it’s possible and showed to be beneficial with number of disorders such as Borderline for instance
Medical diagnosis are Axis III and so forth. Just like Diabetes is a disorder, so is a Personality disorder, which usually comes with number of Axis I traits and disorders: Bipolar, PTSD, Major Depression, etc.
o.k., I’ll look up “CLUSTER B disorders”, but I’ve learned much about how children’s sexual identities can be confused when they are subjected to incest, and I can provide, later, the links to what I found. I personally, after reading “Rethinking Mental Health Disorders” (or some such title..can’t recall the authors right now, but I can call them up later, if necessary), I distrust the DSM manual’s categories of mental health diagnoses, and think that environmental influences are much stronger on depression levels of women, especially after domestic abuse, and stronger than any “genetic” influence, but that is my personal opinion. I also, after reading that book, don’t buy whole hog, into the CoDependency Theory, which is used in AA meetings, and don’t buy it because I was told my an S-Anon (like Al Anon) steerer, as well as the other attendees at that meeting, at the only meeting I would ever attend, to basically “look the other way”..to “pay no attention to his inventory”. It was as if the steerer was telling the wives of the cheating men to LOOK THE OTHER WAY and “ignore” his behavior! Uh uh. No. I refuse to “ignore” things. I also know that my ex (the Spath, in my opinion) used that jargon he learned in his AA meetings, to flip the switch, to gaslight not only me, but also his 2nd wife, and possibly his own mother, of being “enmeshed”, “over-reactive”, etc., etc…like he’d learned the jargon from AA, and had learned it to ABUSE women. We must be careful which self help books we read. I rather like Joseph Campbell’s tact; Campbell accepts every world/religious philosophy with a GRAIN of truth..seems to see truth in all of the religions. But, as well, “following one’s bliss” can be very destructive, if one is merely using women’s bodies as masturbation vessels and feigning affection (anyone read Desiderata?) So should we be careful of labeling folks “bipolar” or BDP, etc. Much seems truth in those DSM labels, but how can we REALLY be sure? All I know is the COMBINATION of what he told me about his past, about his prior juvie record, and the facts: his ad on that swingers site, his foreclosure on his marital home with his second wife, his bankruptcy, etc.
zimzoomit – some of your ideas on sexuality are original, to say the least. ‘SEXUALLY CONFUSED from having been raped as children, and they want to “re-live” their sexual abuse (“purge” if you will) their experience onto their adult female partners.’
‘I believe the only TRUE “bisexuals” are hermaphrodites’.
‘“reverse” sex roles with her..for her to be the GUY, and wear a STRAP-ON. Of course, she didn’t comply. One time, he donned one of my wigs and underwear. THAT should have been my BIG PINK FLAG to get out. ‘
sigh. there is nothing ‘sick’ about being a bottom. nothing inherently sick or spath in wanting to be penetrated. I am finding your comments about how sexuality, gender and sociopathy relate one another to be homophobic.
there are a number of gay and lesbian posters here. i am one of them. I speak with some authority about orientation and gender as I have studied both for years, and have known many gay/lesbian/bi/ straight and transgendered people. I do not believe that anything you have said about sexuality, except his projection of you as lesbian, (and that is about the projection, not the thing projected) to be inherently spath, and find nothing in homosexuality to be inherently spath.
I do find some of the conclusions you have drawn to be inflammatory.
re healing from the ppath – stop focusing on the gender of the partners…it’s a red herring. what IS important is infidelity, deceit, and having dealt with a projected and predatory sexuality. Those are things you can deal with and heal from.
I agree totally. The wife before me cannot accept the fact he never loved her. It is the other women in his life that caused all the trouble. Thanks to a very deep belief in God, I see he never really loved me, He wanted. As you say, pure and simple. He controlled and owned. Unbelievable in a country like ours. Taliban you have competition. I am not sure he can be treated. He once made the brag to me that everyone hated him because he was soooooo much smarter then them. How do you treat someone with that attitude?
Sorry, but I don’t think you read my last comment thoroughly, and it is insulting to be called a homophobe. Sorry, but I DO NOT own that label (homophobic)..have had too many gay friends throughout my lifetime..friends, male and female, who were not heterosexual, and have known and accepted those friends, for years, to accept that label! I think you are confusing apples and oranges..conflating the issues. The difference with those gay friends of mine, is that they THOUGHT LIKE ME..they wanted only to be monogamous..wanted only ONE soul mate and partner, for life, were not polyamorous. That was NOT my ex (the alleged Spath.) He ADMITTED to me that his gay male cousin and he had oral sex when he was only age 12 and his cousin was around age 15. In many states, when a 15-year old “perps” sexually, he is tried as an adult, for an adult crime. Here’s a source for you: “ a sex addict is a man or a woman whose sexual behavior use of pornography, masturbation, fantasy, sexual and/or emotional affairs, humiliating and demanding sexual behavior is harmful to their finances, intimate relationships, careers, self esteem and probably that of the partner as well.’ Some people use sex as a coping mechanism for their personal problems. There are three reasons why people become sexually addicted, they are biological, psychological, and spiritual. The three building blocks of sex addiction are 1 sexual fantasy, 2 pornography, and 3 masturbation.” Source: http://www.csun.edu/~psy453/addict_y.htm
Quick comment for one-stepper,
That is a very wise post about sexuality, it’s a healthy view of orientation. I think zimzoom was possibly dealing with a sex addict.