“How did he really feel?” and “What did he want from me?” are two questions that often haunt victims of sociopaths. The reason we are haunted by these questions varies but often stems from the habit of over-focusing on the sociopath instead of ourselves. That being said, victims also have a healthy ”˜need to know’ that can help with recovery and healing.
I struggled with these questions in my own healing. I remain baffled by my observations of enjoyment of affection on the part of sociopaths. Early on, I told my own therapist that I had come to the conclusion that sociopaths exploit those close to them to the point of death, then, cry at the funeral. At the moment the tears are shed, I believe they do represent a grief of sorts. The feelings of loss experienced by sociopaths are however, short lived. Victims also have to beware because, although sociopaths are said to be incapable of feelings for those in their lives, they do become obsessed with them. Psychologists have not yet explained this obsession. If they don’t attach, why are they obsessed? Those who have read my other entries know that I believe that sociopaths do attach. It is what they do with attachments that is disordered.
How did he really feel?
In response to the picture of a sociopath crying at his victim’s funeral, my therapist said, “He feels what he tells himself he feels.” To help you understand what my therapist meant, I will explain what is known about how people usually experience feelings.
There are two components to feelings. The first is a physical sensation. When we experience a feeling we feel something in our bodies in relationship to that feeling. Think about loving someone close to you and sense how your body feels. Is it warmth in your heart? That is usually what people report.
There is much evidence that these physical sensations are disordered in sociopaths. Sociopaths do not generally experience the physical and hormonal changes that go along with feeling emotion. If they do experience them, it is to a lesser degree. Physical responses are blunted.
The second component of feelings is called attribution. Attribution is a cognitive process. When I feel that warmth in my heart as I see my children, I attribute the sensation to my love for them. Thus the physical sensation alone does not make emotion. Emotion is physical sensations and our interpretations of these sensations. There is also evidence that the parts of the brain responsible for attribution do not function properly in sociopaths.
There is one emotion that many sociopaths experience in a not so disordered way. This emotion is anger. Sociopaths do have blunted physical responses to anger. Despite this blunted responsiveness, they seem aware of angry feelings and make correct attributions about what makes them angry. Again, science has not even addressed, much less explained this observation.
Since the physical sensations and attributions that allow for the experience of emotion are disordered in sociopaths, their inner world is very different. They are left to make sense of themselves and others without the tools most of us use. Other parts of the brain fill in the missing processes. The person who is credited with first describing sociopathy in depth is Hervey Cleckley. He proposed that sociopaths are at least of average if not above average verbal intelligence. This makes sense because they have to use their verbal intelligence to make up for their lack of emotions. They do indeed feel what they tell themselves they feel. Scientists say they mimic other people’s emotions, yet again there is no real proof of this.
What did he want from me?
This question is easy to answer intellectually, but very hard for victims to accept emotionally. There are three pleasures we get from our love relationships. The first is pleasure in affection. The second is sexual pleasure. The third is pleasure associated with dominance and control. Sociopaths experience sex and dominance as enormously more pleasurable than affection. Therefore, they are in relationships to get sex and power, pure and simple.
If you love deeply and feel affection for others, you cannot fathom the inner world of an emotionally disordered person whose primary pleasures are sex and power. To understand another’s world you have to imagine yourself experiencing what the other experiences. You can’t do this with a sociopath.
Louise Gallagher said in her post The six steps of healing from a psychopath that the first step is acceptance. We have to accept that we can only know in part how sociopaths really feel and what they want from us. We can understand intellectually, but never emotionally.
Dear Can’tbreathe,
I hear your pain, and I hope that you will stick around here and read an learn. Breaking free of the bondage is difficult, but it is the only way to regain yourself!
This is a supportive place. Read and learn. Knowledge is power. We understand the connections! (((Hugs))) and God bless you. Again, welcome and thank you for sharing your story. I know that took a lot of guts! You are stronger than you know!
Dear Can’t Breathe,
I know what it’s like to find this forum for the first time and I KNOW what it’s like to feel as you do. That I can’t live without him. That’ despite his incredibly disrespectful and unthinkable behavior toward me, I STILL wanted to be with him….believing that his actions are just his disorder and I can help him find his soul.
I will tell you what so many others have said. Read, read, read and learn, learn, learn. It’s really all been said here before.
Just KNOW you are NOT alone. I’m just coming out of a 10 year relationship. I too am in my 40s. I’m smart, attractive and run my own business. It doesn’t matter. This is NOT about smarts. It’s about the stuff that is deep within us that makes us suckers for these guys.
As for they “Why can’t I let go?” MUCH has been written on LF about that, but 99% of the time it basically comes down to whatever it is within you that you must discover to see what the connection is between him and some deep loss/trauma you felt during childhood.
Peace Sister
Can’t Breathe,
Ox Drover (Oxy) writes a lot here and has WONDERFUL wisdom and insight. Funny how she’s always right on top of someone new. We ALL know how desperate it feels in the beginning. The bad news is that it STAYS desperate.
I will tell you a line that STILL resonates with me that Oxy wrote. I think of it often.
“It begins with learning about them and ends with learning about ourselves.”
Breathe! Take your time. This is NO overnight journey. It’s daunting to realize how BIG this mountain is, but you CAN get to the top and then down the other side and then to the top of a NEW mountain! You can.
One rule. ONE rule ONLY. NO CONTACT. It’s where the journey all begins. Start with NO contact. That INCLUDES asking others how your ex is doing or keeping ANY tabs on him.
The focus HAS to be you and not him but it takes some time (longer for some of us) than others. But keep the faith and when you are in need of help, or feeling the need to find out about him, or WORSE, contact him, COME HERE. There’s usually someone around who understands and can help.
Peace Sister
As the tears are streaming down my face, I sit here knowing you both are exactly right. I think I have to leave the family. (Its pretty disfunctional there, and there is no way his sisters will keep quiet. they’re very vocal about all their family’s dirty laundry. and they LOVE to point out his transgressions in an effort to get a rise from him. Doesn’t matter if it’s in front of me, the last girl, the new girl, or future girls/women) I have to walk away from it all, it’s the only way.
I believe you understand me. Which gives me hope, and a reason to try. So thank you both very very much! I am glad that I found a new home.
I have been thinking about why I came and continue to come to this site.
Mostly I feel welcome and safe. I find encouragement. I don’t feel like a loser because I (and we) can see how many of us, no matter how smart or worldly we are, have fallen for a Spath and his lies.
But, I find that this site, and it’s articles can cause triggers.
I am wondering if the sites contributors would consider focusing less on how and why the Spaths think the way they do because…
A) most of that is speculation as you cannot literally get inside their heads, and
B) I was told HERE once that to break free from the Spath and heal, I had to stop thinking so much of him and his new life and the what-if’s and why’s, and focus on me.
So why are we trying to understand them.
I think it would be best to focus on Spaths’ outward behaviors so that they are more identifiable.
Also, how we can become stronger so that we don’t repeat our mistakes.
Only in hindsight can I see that my previous boyfriend had some P tendencies, but I see the pain having more than one P in one’s life can cause by reading the stories here, and I am sure we all had enough from just 1 Spath.
PS I know there are many articles on here, and I am a “newbie” so feel free to correct me and direct me to helpful articles that address the issues above.
Thanks for listening.
FAD
Dear FAD, go back through the various articles here on LF and read…I have tried to read every one, and the “by subject” or “by author” articles go all the way back to the beginning of LF.
There are 206 articles under “healing from a sociopath” start there and keep on reading. There are articles here for EVERY STAGE of the healling you do. Sometimes we obscess on how do they think, what do they think, etc. or the scientific causes of psychopathy, but whatever stage you are in, there are articles here for you….for THAT stage.
Elizabeth Kubler-Ross (google her) did writing and research on the grief process and how it breaks down to denial, bargaining, anger, etc etc. and how we don’t go,k 1-2-3-4 but instead go 1-3-2-1-4-2-3- and so on back and forth until we finally arrive at acceptence and stay there. It is a roller coaster process.
I remember when you came here under a different name FAD, and you were crazy as an out house rat! Everything he did would stand you on your head! But over the time you came here at first until now I have seen you GROW and HEAL and become a very strong young woman that I am proud to call my friend! You are a smart woman, a strong woman, and you are no longer letting that fark-face jerk you were married to throw you around like a rag doll.
When I first came here I was NO LESS Crazy than you were, than most of us were…and it has taken time and the warmm arms and comfort of lots of posters here who are not here much any more, and Donna, but I am starting to see the sun again! Starting to not only hold up my head but smile and laugh, and rage sometimes and actually count myself as HAPPY!
It gives me GREAT PLEASURE to see others come here crazy and sobbing, and then gently fade away into real life. I stay here because I am comfortable here, and I REINFORCE my own healing by “preaching” to others. Sort of like an AA-meeting only this is LF-meeting!I know that some of the folks who “fade away” or stop coming to meetings have back slid, found another P or gone back to the old one, but some have gone on to wonderful new lives, P-FREE.
I can almost tell after this amount of time here who will do which of those things—and I will go out on a limb here and predict that you, FAD, will fight down this troll, and march off into the sunset a brighter, stronger, better woman and mother than you ever thought! And part of the reason you will be so bright and strong and so wonderful is because you learned a great lesson from this jerk face! You are WONDER WOMAN NOW and he can’t beat you down any more!!!!
What doesn’t kill us makes us stronger! (((hugs)))
Dear Can’t breathe,
I’m glad that you came here…believe me…I’ve been there and so has Donna Andersen the owner of this blog and every person who is here has suffered the devastation of a relatioonship with one or more psychopaths.
I won’t tell you it is easy, it isn’t…but you are right in that it is the ENTIRE dysfunctional family. I was born into such a family, plus gave birth to a psychopath and I know it is not easy to give up an entire Family, but it is only by PUTTING YOURSELF FIRST that we can survive.
You said your youngest has a new baby…so I am sure there are some stressors in your own life right now too that require your attention. Focus on yourself first though, because if you are not strong, you cannot give to others. FOR THE FIRST TIME IN YOUR LIFE, PUT YOURSELF FIRST. I know that is hard, but it is the sane way! I can understand that too. Many of us here are “caregivers” to others FIRST and we starve ourselves to give to others, and that’s part of why we fall prey to the psychopath who SEEMs to offer us something we want. But what they offer is fake…no matter how real it seems.
Read here and learn,, there is so much to digest, you can’t get it all at once, but a bit by a bit…and it grows and you grow. Knowledge is power. Take back your power! (((hugs))) and God bless you.
Oxy,
That makes this the second time I have cried happy tears tonight.
I have been blessed, no, SO blessed to know you. I am honored that across cyberspace, and amber waves of grain, you have held my hand and encouraged me, kept watch over me and helped me protect myself.
I WILL be that woman, Oxy, I know that already. I have set my sights on the promise of the Lord and have confidence in Him that what ever happens is His will and he will care for me.
I am happy, no wait, I believe the word is Joyful. I am not always happy, but I have joy in my heart.
I am blessed to be the mother of such a wonderful boy, and I think this fight has made me a stronger, more conscientious, and considerate mother. I can say with certainty, that had I stayed with his father (Spath or not) my son would not have as wonderful a mother.
That is one gift my son has gotten right off the bat since leaving the creep. That, and more time with his grandparents, aunts, uncles and cousins. We are a strong, loving family. Something his Spath father and his family are not capable of.
Thank you Oxy.
I will read the articles. “boink” Ouch!!!
PS: the reason I cried the first time was when I opened my bible to Isaiah 49:25.
G’night. and God Bless Ox.
Dear FAD,
“and I will save thy children.” Amen
Psalms 11: 5-6 “The Lord trieth the righteous; but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth. Upon the widket he shall rain snares, fire and brimstone, and an horrible tempest; this shall be the portion of their cup.”
Sugar, your son has an awesome mama! Even if he has nothing but a psychopath for a father, he has YOU and that’s more than enough! You GO GIRL!!!! If I had a daughter I’d want her to be just like you–strong and smart and willing to fight for her baby! If that PIG thinks he can get the best of you, he’s got another think coming! Go get’em!!!! GRRRRRRR!!! (((hugs)))) BTW say hi to your mom for me and give her a big hug! Tell your dad to make you a dart board to hang that picture of the jerk on!
OMG, I did exactly the opposite of what you told me to do!!! He texted me in the middle of the night, and I slept through it. Then this morning he texted again, said he was moving in today. (I forgot he has a house key!!—He hasn’t used it in almost 6 months, so I didn’t think to ask for it back.) I engaged him in conversation to explain that I really am not “worthy of him”…tried to use reverse psychology and it failed. Now he says he has a ring, and that he intends to propose in front of all of my colleagues at the hospital.
Said he finds these random women online because something in him is wrong/he is selfish. “But he wants to fix it and prove to me and everyone else that he truly loves me.” He of course said he’ll do whatever it takes. Told me he isn’t going to work tonight, that he needs to see me. He wasn’t angry, just pleading so I don’t think Im in physical danger.
I am at a complete loss. If he moved in while I’ve been at work, what do I do??? I know the ring story is a farce….so that doesn’t scare me. The idea of him invading the only ‘safe haven’ I have left is terrifying. I’ll never get away then.