“How did he really feel?” and “What did he want from me?” are two questions that often haunt victims of sociopaths. The reason we are haunted by these questions varies but often stems from the habit of over-focusing on the sociopath instead of ourselves. That being said, victims also have a healthy ”˜need to know’ that can help with recovery and healing.
I struggled with these questions in my own healing. I remain baffled by my observations of enjoyment of affection on the part of sociopaths. Early on, I told my own therapist that I had come to the conclusion that sociopaths exploit those close to them to the point of death, then, cry at the funeral. At the moment the tears are shed, I believe they do represent a grief of sorts. The feelings of loss experienced by sociopaths are however, short lived. Victims also have to beware because, although sociopaths are said to be incapable of feelings for those in their lives, they do become obsessed with them. Psychologists have not yet explained this obsession. If they don’t attach, why are they obsessed? Those who have read my other entries know that I believe that sociopaths do attach. It is what they do with attachments that is disordered.
How did he really feel?
In response to the picture of a sociopath crying at his victim’s funeral, my therapist said, “He feels what he tells himself he feels.” To help you understand what my therapist meant, I will explain what is known about how people usually experience feelings.
There are two components to feelings. The first is a physical sensation. When we experience a feeling we feel something in our bodies in relationship to that feeling. Think about loving someone close to you and sense how your body feels. Is it warmth in your heart? That is usually what people report.
There is much evidence that these physical sensations are disordered in sociopaths. Sociopaths do not generally experience the physical and hormonal changes that go along with feeling emotion. If they do experience them, it is to a lesser degree. Physical responses are blunted.
The second component of feelings is called attribution. Attribution is a cognitive process. When I feel that warmth in my heart as I see my children, I attribute the sensation to my love for them. Thus the physical sensation alone does not make emotion. Emotion is physical sensations and our interpretations of these sensations. There is also evidence that the parts of the brain responsible for attribution do not function properly in sociopaths.
There is one emotion that many sociopaths experience in a not so disordered way. This emotion is anger. Sociopaths do have blunted physical responses to anger. Despite this blunted responsiveness, they seem aware of angry feelings and make correct attributions about what makes them angry. Again, science has not even addressed, much less explained this observation.
Since the physical sensations and attributions that allow for the experience of emotion are disordered in sociopaths, their inner world is very different. They are left to make sense of themselves and others without the tools most of us use. Other parts of the brain fill in the missing processes. The person who is credited with first describing sociopathy in depth is Hervey Cleckley. He proposed that sociopaths are at least of average if not above average verbal intelligence. This makes sense because they have to use their verbal intelligence to make up for their lack of emotions. They do indeed feel what they tell themselves they feel. Scientists say they mimic other people’s emotions, yet again there is no real proof of this.
What did he want from me?
This question is easy to answer intellectually, but very hard for victims to accept emotionally. There are three pleasures we get from our love relationships. The first is pleasure in affection. The second is sexual pleasure. The third is pleasure associated with dominance and control. Sociopaths experience sex and dominance as enormously more pleasurable than affection. Therefore, they are in relationships to get sex and power, pure and simple.
If you love deeply and feel affection for others, you cannot fathom the inner world of an emotionally disordered person whose primary pleasures are sex and power. To understand another’s world you have to imagine yourself experiencing what the other experiences. You can’t do this with a sociopath.
Louise Gallagher said in her post The six steps of healing from a psychopath that the first step is acceptance. We have to accept that we can only know in part how sociopaths really feel and what they want from us. We can understand intellectually, but never emotionally.
Dear Delta,
How are you, dear? Your advice to Truelove is of course wonderful! I’m so glad that you are here! (((hugs))))
Hi Oxy
I’m doing pretty good in myself. I’m extremely busy with full-time job and also recording and gigging with the band. But I’m finally doing all the things that I want to. I still get a bit tired from all the demands of day-to-day living but I know that I’m a bit ‘different’ inside these days. I don’t seem to want or need as much ‘approval’ fixes as when I first came to LF and was feeling quite wobbly and shaken. I’m pretty good at getting away from toxic types in my personal life when I need to which is a major change for me – though there’s a limit to how much I can shield myself from exposure to toxic parents of clients in the CP work.
I feel like I want to rush back headlong into life now – having felt ‘held down’ for so long – I’ve had a massive burst of ‘do this, do that’ – but I expect I shall want to slow down again a bit soon and take stock.
It’s a dangerous time in one way – I’ve got my mojo back practically – have notice one or two vultures circling and eyeing me up already. At least I know I’m a somewhat tempting target now – am sparking energy at the moment. Isn’t that narcissistic of me LOL!!!
I would perhaps contemplate a ‘more than friends’ relationship with a man again at some point in the not too far future. It’s like being a teenager all over again, though with a fatter backside LOL. If I get any prospects I may chat about it on LF – though I’m keen to test my new powers of judgement for myself really.
At 38 relationship territory is a little different. I’ve always had slightly younger, good-looking & sporting/daredevil boyfriends, motorcycle racers, climbers, martial artists etc. I want to break my old patterns but don’t know ‘which way to go’ or ‘how far to go’. I’m getting to old to try the 2.4 kids template, I’m looking for new models of positive female lives – as I seem to be outgrowing the old ones.
I’ve decided to join a local socialising organisation (not dating) and ‘test the waters’ by just hanging out with different types of guys and ‘having a think about it’. Cos it’s London it wall-to-wall overworked professionals who’ve not made time to find a partner – or how are divorced and on family number two. I’m done jumping in sack with randoms just cos they’re fit, they chase after me and I’m flattered by the attention. Time to grow up (finally!).
Thanks for asking – and how are you LOL!!!
Blessings Delta 1
doing great, am finally settled into my new food and nutrition program (don’t call it a “diet”!) and blood pressure and blood sugar are normalized without any medication other than exercise and decreased calorie intake.
So now I am at a point I don’t have to be so OCD about food and exercise, it is becoming part of my “routine” now rather than all I can think about! LOL I am feeling better physically and mentally and have actually lost 13 pounds of the 60 I started out needing to lose so am making a bit of progress.
There’s a great website called http://www.fatsecret.com where you can log on and put your amount of food in and it calculates the calories and all that for you along with the exercise and so on. Kind of a fun thing to use! My step son told me about the site and it is kind of fun as well!
Sounds like you are making some positive decisions for your life too. That’s great!!!! Keep it up! (((hugs)))))
True Love,
He said “the EXACT same things” to her that he said to you. I bet almost ALL of us have discovered that little trick. It’s a double whammy because we feel SO special when they say that stuff to us.
“I just want to make sure you got home ok”. THEN, they pick up the phone to the other one(s) and say, “I just want to make sure you got home ok” AGHHHHHH!
When i read the emails he sent to her, I could not BELIEVE how he said ALL of the EXACT same things to her. He EVEN used a name I gave to HIM, and called HER by the pet name! JESUS!
They do not even have the “courtesy” to not call every woman by the same “pet name”—I think it is because that way they don’t have to learn to remember your name, or call out the wrong one by mistake!
Skylar,
You gave me some great advice about acting, and giving the Spath Fake requests”now, where to begin?
Maybe you can help me with this recent issue.
Of course, I already let the cat out of the bag while we were working on our settlement. He kept asking for written permission to take our son out of state because he knows my family goes to FL every year. I fought that and won, but also had it added that there SHOULD be written permission from the other parent to take our son out of the country.
and Wha-La’:
“I would also like to take our son to get a passport for future vacations. I was looking on the passport website travel.state.gov and for minors under 16 the fee is about $105. Would you be willing to split the cost? If you go under apply for a passport, then minors under 16, it gives instructions on what we would have to do. If you do agree, and I take him to get it done, you would have to fill out a short 1-2 page consent form that is to be notarized (DS-3053 form attached) so I can submit with the application. Would you be willing to fill this form out so I can take him to get this done?”
(PS: this is not written by the Spath, but by his wifetress)
About the photos, I thought it would be fun to send mine with a note saying, “Here are the photos. Thank you for sending us pictures of the two of you. Our son enjoys saying good night to his daddy every night.”
just because I know he is doing this to annoy me, knowing I do not want pictures of him in my house!
But then again, I would then be supplying him with e-mail record of our “normal” “healthy” communications.
Gag!
FAD
Dear FAD,
I don’t know why he is wanting a passport for your son, but whatever you do I would FIGHT THAT TOOTH AND NAIL. Remember the guy whose wife took his son to Brazil and it took like 5 years and 100s of thousands of $$$ to get him back even after she died there?
Until my son was old enough to know who and where he is and who and so on his parents are, I would not let him out of the state if I could help it much less the country with that jerk wad X of yours. He is such a sneaky bastard! Just reading about the things he has done makes the hair stand up on the back of my neck!
@Delta 1-
Your story sounds Very similiar to mine.
Counselling is something I did at first,but chose the wrong therapist,and
wasnt allowed to be choosy since it was a city program,I was put with a very young,ignorant intern.
She may have well said something along the lines of,
“Turn that frown up-side down!”…-Ding dong…Anyone home?
That being said,I am now living in a new city that seems to have more options and support.
I am checking into therapy and programs here,for definately,I am suffering bereavement from this loss..
Unbelievable sadness,as I know you understand..
I,too,am concerned about my ability to conceive.
Its something that only God knows..
Another thing I am trying through prayer and meditation,
is to focus my thoughts on children without parents who need love as well.
I mean,Do I really NEED to have a child of my own flesh and blood,or did God give me a heart big enough to love a child who may live in an orphanage somewhere,just crying to be loved and held??..
I can relate to the lonliness of a child like that,and believe I have a soul big enough to
help relieve some of their suffering..
…Because I understand..
I am going through the same longings and fears that you have shared about motherhood,and I am right there,Sister! ; )
It has caused me to search for answers by asking Different questions..
Ive started to ask myself why I want a child…
For me,it is to Love and Connect,and to have someone to share my life with.
To Care for someone else..
And my Need, as a woman, to Nurture..
The mother instinct is relentless for me..
I would like to become Willing to Believe that God has a plan for me,and He made me,just the way I am,so that I can serve His Purpose..
Im not religious,but this whole scenario has made me cling to my Faith,for if I didnt now,I would have surely been destroyed..
Anyway..
The more articles and feedback I read on here,the more clear it now is to me,that THIS,the spath..Is EXACTLY what I have been dealing with.
Its amazing,and he knows what he is,as well..Im sure of it.
I kept searching on here for answers to help overcome “the smear campaign”,but the only thing that touches on what I need to hear is to simply ,”IGNORE it.”
That is very difficult to do!
But I know it is the only option for me.
I am a very passionate person,too,and I have a
deep,and innate desire to be Heard and Understood.
However,clearly with him,it will only get me in trouble if I continue to engage him.
It reminds me of that movie with Melanie Griffith and Michael Keeton in San Francisco,when a renter came to her home and she and her husband,by law could not get him out,and he made them look like the Crazy ones..
The man I am dealing with has a great amount of social power,and recognition…
Definately an entourage galore..
Since we are in the same buisness,Im sure he is doing everything he can to turn my name into mud.
I,however,am doing my best to step away,and let TIME plus HIS ACTIONS prove to people WHO HE IS…
I do not have to do anything..Leave him alone..
Eventually,
He will slip up,and I will have said nothing,therefore gracefully I will be able to sit back,eat popcorn,and simply watch the show..
It is inevitable..
I admit that part of me feels sorry for him,because I dont really think he is THAT smart..
He does have street skills and talent though..as well as the charm and other typical characteristics of the spath.
He has left a long path of destruction in his wake.
He may not be too noisy about me,simply because he is outnumbered.
His last two wives ganged up on him in court with the same lawyer,and
I can only imagine how many others may have had children with him as well..
Anyway..
Would love to talk with you more,because I think our stories are Soo similiar..
: )
@Stillhavemysoul-
Amazing,isnt it?
The EXACT SAME words for her..I could not believe my eyes,and as sad as it is,I get a good belly laugh out of it for some reason.
Maybe it is only the first sign of relief that it really IS HIM and His HORRIFYING preditory pattern..
I am so glad I found this sight.
Everything that everyone else is saying could be My story,change a few names and details,the actions and MO was the same.
I am actually rather shocked,as a matter of fact,that this was what he,the man I was so in love with turned out to be.
Never in a million years would I have guessed..
But I swear to God,ALL the traits of a spath described on “ten wys to recognize a spath” applied to him..
I do feel embarrassed..
Glad you guys can understand and relate.
First sign of HOPE for me..
Thanks
FightAnotherDay,
NO INTERNATIONAL PASSPORT. PERIOD.
Here’s where you have to act like a spath: suck up to the judge. say, “I cannot, in good conscience, allow my son to go outside the boundaries of this court’s jurisdiction. Once outside the country, neither I nor the court will have any way to control what happens to my son.”
as far as the pictures, you could have some fun there. write an email telling him that you will give him pictures but you don’t trust what his ulterior motives might be. Explain that he has already made clear that unless he has been SPECIFICALLY told not to do something, he considers himself free to do it. Only children use that kind of logic, but you understand that this is his way of thinking. Consequently, you can give him one picture only after he agrees to the copyright terms: The picture may not be copied, altered, digitized or used in any way other than the intended use of being put in one frame to be placed – rightside up – on a nightstand next to the bed of the child. yada yada yada. google some (really long) copy right terms, copy them and have him agree to them.
this serves the function of making the exchange look like exactly what it is: a normal person who sees through a sociopath. also, it covers you from having him put your head on a porn models body or whatever (using photoshop)
gotta go
“How did he really feel? W ho CARES how he really feels if he feels at all?
Definition of a male Spath,
“A Life-support system fora P—ck!”
Mama Gem.X