“How did he really feel?” and “What did he want from me?” are two questions that often haunt victims of sociopaths. The reason we are haunted by these questions varies but often stems from the habit of over-focusing on the sociopath instead of ourselves. That being said, victims also have a healthy ”˜need to know’ that can help with recovery and healing.
I struggled with these questions in my own healing. I remain baffled by my observations of enjoyment of affection on the part of sociopaths. Early on, I told my own therapist that I had come to the conclusion that sociopaths exploit those close to them to the point of death, then, cry at the funeral. At the moment the tears are shed, I believe they do represent a grief of sorts. The feelings of loss experienced by sociopaths are however, short lived. Victims also have to beware because, although sociopaths are said to be incapable of feelings for those in their lives, they do become obsessed with them. Psychologists have not yet explained this obsession. If they don’t attach, why are they obsessed? Those who have read my other entries know that I believe that sociopaths do attach. It is what they do with attachments that is disordered.
How did he really feel?
In response to the picture of a sociopath crying at his victim’s funeral, my therapist said, “He feels what he tells himself he feels.” To help you understand what my therapist meant, I will explain what is known about how people usually experience feelings.
There are two components to feelings. The first is a physical sensation. When we experience a feeling we feel something in our bodies in relationship to that feeling. Think about loving someone close to you and sense how your body feels. Is it warmth in your heart? That is usually what people report.
There is much evidence that these physical sensations are disordered in sociopaths. Sociopaths do not generally experience the physical and hormonal changes that go along with feeling emotion. If they do experience them, it is to a lesser degree. Physical responses are blunted.
The second component of feelings is called attribution. Attribution is a cognitive process. When I feel that warmth in my heart as I see my children, I attribute the sensation to my love for them. Thus the physical sensation alone does not make emotion. Emotion is physical sensations and our interpretations of these sensations. There is also evidence that the parts of the brain responsible for attribution do not function properly in sociopaths.
There is one emotion that many sociopaths experience in a not so disordered way. This emotion is anger. Sociopaths do have blunted physical responses to anger. Despite this blunted responsiveness, they seem aware of angry feelings and make correct attributions about what makes them angry. Again, science has not even addressed, much less explained this observation.
Since the physical sensations and attributions that allow for the experience of emotion are disordered in sociopaths, their inner world is very different. They are left to make sense of themselves and others without the tools most of us use. Other parts of the brain fill in the missing processes. The person who is credited with first describing sociopathy in depth is Hervey Cleckley. He proposed that sociopaths are at least of average if not above average verbal intelligence. This makes sense because they have to use their verbal intelligence to make up for their lack of emotions. They do indeed feel what they tell themselves they feel. Scientists say they mimic other people’s emotions, yet again there is no real proof of this.
What did he want from me?
This question is easy to answer intellectually, but very hard for victims to accept emotionally. There are three pleasures we get from our love relationships. The first is pleasure in affection. The second is sexual pleasure. The third is pleasure associated with dominance and control. Sociopaths experience sex and dominance as enormously more pleasurable than affection. Therefore, they are in relationships to get sex and power, pure and simple.
If you love deeply and feel affection for others, you cannot fathom the inner world of an emotionally disordered person whose primary pleasures are sex and power. To understand another’s world you have to imagine yourself experiencing what the other experiences. You can’t do this with a sociopath.
Louise Gallagher said in her post The six steps of healing from a psychopath that the first step is acceptance. We have to accept that we can only know in part how sociopaths really feel and what they want from us. We can understand intellectually, but never emotionally.
SKYLAR!!!!! GOOD ADVICE!!! As cynical as I am I hadn’t even thought of that one.
I agree with the NO PASSPORT THING TOO…he is a conniver and thinks he is soooo smart…so he has something up his sleeve.
I couldn’t figure out a motive for wanting the pictures, but I think you just figured it out. BEcause we know That the “Reason” he said it is a LIE. I think this little ho he has is also a conniver too and we know she does not want photos of the X in her house…so had to be SOME REASON and this may be it!
If you have already given him the photo FAD, make sure you have an exact copy of it so that IF THE FACE TURNS UP ON A NUDE BODY, YOU CAN PROVE THAT THE FACE ON THAT NUDE BODY CAME FROM A FULLY CLOTHED PHOTO. UGH
I wish I had a more cynical mind as far as thinking like they do, so I could be one step ahead of them instead of one behind. With this yay-ho, he is a low down, belly crawling, sneaky sob though! I haven’t gotten far enough down to even think of the low things he does…thanks Sky! I am sure FAD will appreciate your suggestion.
This particular yay-hoo just chaps my cookies!
Gem, Your definition is a good one.
What did he feel? Amused, I am sure. I fed and sheltered him and adored him every second and told him how wonderful he was every three minutes. What did he want? See above.
I got lucky a few times. Once was when his beloved chinchilla died. He came home from work and I had to tell him. He didn’t say anything, just took the box and went out to bury her in our pet place, He’s being a manly man, I thought, I also thought this was very unlike him. After awhile, he came back into sight, sat down by the barn and started crying. He KNEW I would be watching and worrying about him. I of course rushed out to comfort him. But it was odd.
The second time was after we split. Keeping one foot in the door, he got his stuff a little at a time. I changed the locks and put the rest of his stuff outside. We had a storage shed I used as my studio and laundry room. At this point I was still making excuses that his drugging me was somehow accidental, but I knew it wasn’t. I didn’t want to see him, so I stayed quiet and watched him. Without an audience, all the charm, the affability,, the “boyish sweetness” that had captured me was gone. He looked more like a stoner sneak thief. He looked even MORE like one when he came out carrying one of my art prints. At which point I foolishly popped out and stopped him, made him tell me a lie, and recovered my print. I’d seen the real him, no real emotions, stealing from a woman he left almost dead and destitute. I spooked him bad enough I don’t think I ever saw him after that. He just left the rest of his junk for me to deal with.. I think I startled him, popping out like that, and he knew I was on to him, and so were a few other people by then.
Oh, he told me it was just a trial separation for 6 months. Keeping that foot in the door. When he was stealing my stuff (there was more) he told me he was taking it to “store” for me. At his mother’s leaky overstuffed house? Almost 3 hour drive away, when I could barely stand? I smiled and nodded and retrieved my stuff back out of the truck, made small talk, made sure he was off the property and then screamed obscenities until I felt better. That’s when I finally believed he didn’t feel anything and never had.
Oxy, FAD,
I don’t actually think he is going to use it like that, although it is possible. That idea is too simple, whatever he has in mind, is so convoluted and outrageous that none of us would think of it. But the copyright should take care of all possible contingencies. Remember, the legal system is full of spaths and they DO think like spaths, so they came up with the copyright!
More importantly, is to keep the spath busy. So he doesn’t have time to think up new things. Also to let him know that he isn’t fooling anyone, and to have all email show this, but with patience and knowledge – no crazy talk.
Gotta think about this.
It is good advice, but more like something I dream of doing/saying to the Spath.
I have almost mastered gray rock/library paste when interacting with him.
Not sure if I am ready to deal with a reaction.
In some ways I want to provoke him to expose his true nature as well as his motives, but in others it is WAY too anxiety provoking for me.
Dear FAD,
I do understand that being afraid to poke a sleeping lion. But my advice on the passport is NO PASSPORT IF YOU CAN STOP IT!!!! Whatever it takes! He is too slimy for that! If he gets the child out of the country no telling what the jerk wad would do.
Fad
It’s important that you are aware of your anxiety level and how you will react emotionally to this contact. It sounds like you do, so kudos for that! Grey rock serves the function of reinforcing emotional control too. My suggestion was that this entire exchange be done in a clinical/legalese tone
No drama . Is it possible to have your attorney give him the message? Remember, they are story driven creatures.
This is why they lie so much. They believe their own stories but they need others to also believe to make them more “real” to themselves. The emails are part of that evidence that they need to prove/sustain the story. Most likely the picture serves the same purpose. My suggestion was meant to sabotage his story every chance you get by not responding as he expects. Give his story a twist towards reality. Reality usually involves bringing up the past. They hate the past. It doesn’t exist for them.
So I said that I didn’t want to do this today, but I’m human and I am allowed to feel emotional. I dated my former S for 16 months and we were engaged and planning our wedding when he up and married his youngest child’s mother. At the beginning of the year I signed for his bond on a burglary of habitation chare because he said he was innocent(now that I know the real him I know that he’s guilty). I paid for his attorney and bond($4000) because his family wouldn’t even help nor would they respond to any of my calls or messages while he was in jail. So fast forward to three months ago and he was arrested for a probation violation for a prior burglary of habitation charge. The judge suspended the bond that I signed on and I was relieved because I didn’t have to maintain contact with him to ensure he made his court dates since the attorney would not allow me to resign from the bond. His wife had even called me a month ago “claiming” to want to help me get my money back which I later found out that was impossible to get back, but I honestly felt like she called out of curiosity to see if I was the woman that he’d probably painted this horrible portrait of like he’d done of her. Turns out he’s left and cleaned her out three years ago and disappeared. I know, why would she marry him after three years? She said God told her to, but I am a devout Christian and know that is some b.s. Anyway so I find out yesterday that the judge reinstated his bond due to his trial date not being until January 2011 and I am SO upset! I’m angry because now I question if I’m the crazy one and God really is showing him and his wife favor over me, the woman who never retailiated when he broke my heart. I know this is crazy, but could he treat her better than me and be the upright man and have changed or is this just a phase? I do, I want him to pay for what he did to me. Oh I forgot to add that he also has a baby on the way by the girlfriend he had prior to being arrested recently, the same girlfriend that he had in the apartment and bed he shares with his wife, the same girlfriend that his wife is aware of as well as the baby and says she’s forgiven him. I am a strong, educated, loving, intelligent woman and I don’t want this to get the best of me. I saw him on FB today reciting scriptures and on how good God has been to him which is the same song and dance he did when I bonded him out. I blocked him and his family from my FB page and I pray that he doesn’t call me. Am I tripping?
breathless, yes, I would say you are “tripping”!! No, he has not turned into a wonderful person, it’s all a lie, he’s an actor, he will stick around with this wife until he can no longer get what he wants from her, then he will leave… and how can he be treating her better when he has another girl pregnant and she was in the wife’s bed???? She sounds like she has A WHOLE LOT OF PROBLEMS HERSELF!!!! There is no way she can be happy– or even trust him for a second. I understand it’s the betrayl that hurts you so bad, not that you want the real him back. It’s not getting the best of you, my mind wanders to this same type of wishing he was real and here with me on a regular basis, but I know it’s not real and it’s never going to happen. He sounds like an evil horrible thing, I can’t even call them human, one of the posters here (lostingrief) used to call them Pods, evil in a human looking form.
Oh, and there have been several posters here that I remember met their S/P in church!! They want to look like the good guy/gal. There are a lot of P’s in any church, but I guess that’s another story…
Shabbychic thank you SO much! I just needed someone to tell me that I am not going crazy. All I’ve been able to do is let go and let God. Honestly his wife isn’t on my list of favorites because of her pretending to care about my financial welfare when she simply wanted to use me to help get her husband out, but as a woman I pray for her safety and well being. Had it not been for me informing the girlfriend she too would have been sucked in. Ofcourse she didn’t believe me(he told her I was a dumb jealous ex) until she went to the apartment(which he informed her he was house sitting for) and confronted his wife and she sent me a message thanking me. I honestly believe that if the laws don’t get him soon some woman or male family member of his next victim will kill him. The wife is very into church which is what he is now using to hook her in and I know that I was the victim, once I caught sight of who he really was I left him alone, but his poor wife is TOO far gone and I pray with all sincerity pray that the same God that told her to marry him advises her to get a divorce.
Only have a second… because I have to leave…
breathless… you are not going crazy!
You are going sane!! It’s hard to change.
I feel like I’ve been pulled inside–out from the top of my head!