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“How did he really feel?” and “What did he want from me?”

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January 26, 2007 //  by Liane Leedom, M.D.

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“How did he really feel?” and “What did he want from me?” are two questions that often haunt victims of sociopaths. The reason we are haunted by these questions varies but often stems from the habit of over-focusing on the sociopath instead of ourselves. That being said, victims also have a healthy ”˜need to know’ that can help with recovery and healing.

I struggled with these questions in my own healing. I remain baffled by my observations of enjoyment of affection on the part of sociopaths. Early on, I told my own therapist that I had come to the conclusion that sociopaths exploit those close to them to the point of death, then, cry at the funeral. At the moment the tears are shed, I believe they do represent a grief of sorts. The feelings of loss experienced by sociopaths are however, short lived. Victims also have to beware because, although sociopaths are said to be incapable of feelings for those in their lives, they do become obsessed with them. Psychologists have not yet explained this obsession. If they don’t attach, why are they obsessed? Those who have read my other entries know that I believe that sociopaths do attach. It is what they do with attachments that is disordered.

How did he really feel?

In response to the picture of a sociopath crying at his victim’s funeral, my therapist said, “He feels what he tells himself he feels.” To help you understand what my therapist meant, I will explain what is known about how people usually experience feelings.

There are two components to feelings. The first is a physical sensation. When we experience a feeling we feel something in our bodies in relationship to that feeling. Think about loving someone close to you and sense how your body feels. Is it warmth in your heart? That is usually what people report.

There is much evidence that these physical sensations are disordered in sociopaths. Sociopaths do not generally experience the physical and hormonal changes that go along with feeling emotion. If they do experience them, it is to a lesser degree. Physical responses are blunted.

The second component of feelings is called attribution. Attribution is a cognitive process. When I feel that warmth in my heart as I see my children, I attribute the sensation to my love for them. Thus the physical sensation alone does not make emotion. Emotion is physical sensations and our interpretations of these sensations. There is also evidence that the parts of the brain responsible for attribution do not function properly in sociopaths.

There is one emotion that many sociopaths experience in a not so disordered way. This emotion is anger. Sociopaths do have blunted physical responses to anger. Despite this blunted responsiveness, they seem aware of angry feelings and make correct attributions about what makes them angry. Again, science has not even addressed, much less explained this observation.

Since the physical sensations and attributions that allow for the experience of emotion are disordered in sociopaths, their inner world is very different. They are left to make sense of themselves and others without the tools most of us use. Other parts of the brain fill in the missing processes. The person who is credited with first describing sociopathy in depth is Hervey Cleckley. He proposed that sociopaths are at least of average if not above average verbal intelligence. This makes sense because they have to use their verbal intelligence to make up for their lack of emotions. They do indeed feel what they tell themselves they feel. Scientists say they mimic other people’s emotions, yet again there is no real proof of this.

What did he want from me?

This question is easy to answer intellectually, but very hard for victims to accept emotionally. There are three pleasures we get from our love relationships. The first is pleasure in affection. The second is sexual pleasure. The third is pleasure associated with dominance and control. Sociopaths experience sex and dominance as enormously more pleasurable than affection. Therefore, they are in relationships to get sex and power, pure and simple.

If you love deeply and feel affection for others, you cannot fathom the inner world of an emotionally disordered person whose primary pleasures are sex and power. To understand another’s world you have to imagine yourself experiencing what the other experiences. You can’t do this with a sociopath.

Louise Gallagher said in her post The six steps of healing from a psychopath that the first step is acceptance. We have to accept that we can only know in part how sociopaths really feel and what they want from us. We can understand intellectually, but never emotionally.

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ErinBrock
14 years ago

I’m not sure if it’s a federal thing or not…..but FYI…..
If non custodial parent are behind on child support by 5K, you don’t need thier signitures to gain a passport for your child. You can also have the ex’s passport revoked.
(This makes is harder for EITHER to gain entry to another country) No passport.
I would suggest any parent with full custody of a child with a parent behind on CS (documented through the DA’s office or your local CS agency)……check into this….at the main passport office near you.
IF a child was issued a passport, it’s harder to get another one issued if lost.
I’d keep that childs passport in a safe box….IN MY POSESSION, as another ‘angle’ of preventing non custodial parent from achieving a passport with faked notorized signitures of you.

Ox Drover
14 years ago

Breathless,

There are FALSE “christians”—Jesus told us to BEWARE of WOLVES IN SHEEP’S CLOTHING.

Just because someone appears to care and says “God told me…” doesn’t mean that God did tell them anything….people who don’t even know God sling His name around all the time!!!

No you are not going crazy! NO CONTACT with these people. Don’t talk to them, talk about them to anyone that knows them or them and you…and mostly DON’T LISTEN or believe a word either of them says! They are LIARS AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN THEM.
‘
Read here and learn, learn everything you can. It will make you see that you are being “gaslighted” and the truth is being twisted.

KNOWLEDGE IS POWER. So read and LEARN, and it will give you strength! God bless!

Ox Drover
14 years ago

EB–wonderful advice! Learning the rules about children’s passports etc. and if he does manage to get the court to order her to sign for a passport, then a GAL or some such attorney can hold the passport that requires BOTH parents to sign for and agree to.

You are so sharp on this and have such a good head EB. I still think you need to go to law school or PI school or something!!!

FightAnotherDay
14 years ago

EB,

Yes. Thank you.

I am hoping and praying that NO ONE can order a mother to let her X take a two year old, or any child under the age of say 12 out of the country, aside from Canada.

Who knows what he would do once outside of the country!!

Aside from that, his Spath father has not been honest about the last three vacations he took our son on withIN the US. How would any woman trust even a healthy person to take her young child half way around the world?

Does not seem like something a court should be able to tell someone to do.

FightAnotherDay
14 years ago

Skylar and Oxy,

The picture situation is obviously small potatoes compared to the passport.

I will do anything within my legal rights to stop the Spath from getting a passport and/or taking our son out of the country.

As far as the picture, I am going to give him one where the angle isn’t too good for any “photoshoping” and going to find some legalese to send with it, just explaining that it is not to be altered etc.

Don’t know too much about keeping him busy. I think my dad was right. He said every time I contact him it’s reason for him to respond. Best not contact him until he first initiates. ??

But I do think my attorney could also pass along the message.

Thank you again for the advice.

FightAnotherDay
14 years ago

Any body know how I can stop him from taking our two year old out of the country?
He is really pushing me for an answer about the passport.

I do not want to let on as to my answer because our divorce is not yet final and I do not want to hold it up.

TY FAD

Ox Drover
14 years ago

DEar FAD,

First off, you KNOW if he is pushing for something, HE HAS AN ULTERIOR MOTIVE.

SAY NO!!!! Say it loud and clear, then let the chips fall where they may. You have given in to his black mail too many times (I think) already and let him push you into giving another inch and he takes a mile.

NO, NO, NO!!!! Let him hold up the divorce, let him do what he may, KEEP ON SAYING NO!!! Take the initiative now, and GROW a SPINE and hold it straight up!!! Quit being a push over! Quit being afraid of him! Stand up and SHOW HIM YOUR TEETH!!! and firmly and clearly say “NO, OVER MY DEAD BODY!!!”

Because with your X’s track record of sneaky, if he ever gets your child out of the country you will never see him again is my opinion. Try getting your child out of Saudi or somewhere like that. Your X is so sneaky and nasty I can see him becoming a Muslim and moving to Saudi to work in the oil fields and taking your child. THINK THE WORST CASE AND THEN DOUBLE IT!

As long as you have the child in the US you have a chance, but if you let him get out of the country, what are you going to do? BEG him to bring him back? FAT CHANCE!

QUIT worrying what he might do about delaying the divorce—so what if he does? You are not in a hurry to get remarried or anything…let him delay it forever if it takes that to keep him from taking your child out of the country. NAME ONE GOOD REASON for him to take a 2 year old out of the country. To give him cultural growth? ROTFLMAO

He wants the boy out of the country because and ONLY because he has NO intention of bringing him back. Name one other possible reason? There isn’t one that I can think of.

BTW is his new sweetie from here or does she have connections in another country? From what I understand even if you have a right to get a child out of another country it still takes TENS if not HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO DO SO….if you can FIND them.

Did you see the 20/20 or Dateline thing a few weeks ago where the woman was hiding in Europe with her child from a psychopath? She worked underground and lived under a false name in the EU and stayed gone for YEARS. It can be done.

Your X doesn’t “want” anything from you unless there is some big bad reason for it—even the pictures still strikes me as some how sinister.

ErinBrock
14 years ago

FAD:
You can’t STOP him from doing anything.
Realize this.
You can only make it difficult for him.

Is there a temp. custody order in place?
If so…..follow it to a T.
If not….get one.

Simply tell him, I’m sorry but, no. (we must follow the custody order)
Don’t embellish, don’t engage further.
You won’t prevent any hold ups in the divorce process….if spath is going to hold it up…..he’s gonna hold it up!

I don’t recall the details of your ‘story’….BUT……
Know your reasons why you don’t want spath to take jr. out of country.
Be clear on YOUR reasons.
Courts will allow parents to do parental ‘things’…..like vacations, holidays etc……without governed by the courts.

The courts won’t micro manage parents…..and don’t like to be asked to….WITHOUT WARRANT.

If you believe Jr won’t be returned…..show documentation of other situations spath has stretched the limits. (to the courts).

You must be careful not to appear spiteful or controlling to a court on this issue.

Collect data…..and present it.

During a divorce….AND even after…..most courts won’t even allow for a child to be removed from the state without prior consent of other parent. OR court permission.

You know your spath, your story and the ‘underneaths’……weigh them all out and then….make your decision……

Realize, there are going to be a lot of times, as there has already, that your not going to ‘like’ what spath is doing with Jr. BUT….as long as it’s not causing Jr. any harm, you can’t do much about it.

It’s a lesson in ‘letting’ go.

BTW….

Is the spath a foreigner?

SeeingClearly
14 years ago

Hello, I’m new to this site but already I see that I was indeed involved with a SP. I had my suspicion from the get go, however, I gave him the benefit of the doubt. I had the means to investigate him early on (7 months ago) but nothing unusal showed up. All these stories ring so true. I broke it off with him about 3 weeks ago. He was not able to extort money from me or emotionally abuse me, although he tried. My question is a moral one which I need to address. He has already moved on to another woman (whom I am acquainted with but do not know) I feel I need to warn her. Should I? What really made my radar go up was a warning I recieved. Should I pay it forward. Your thoughts would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance. Seeing Clearly Now

Ox Drover
14 years ago

Dear Seeing clearly,

First off, WELCOME!!!

There are threads here about to warn or not to warn and it has been endlessly debated….MOST TIMES the current victim is not going to listen—I have been warned (and not listened) and I have warned (and not been listened to). Unfortunately, especially if you do not know her, he has already “warned” her about his CRAZY stalking ex (You, of course)

Of course sometimes they do listen, but just weigh it out the pros and cons and do what you think is best, I don’t think there is a single “right” answer to this. Besides, you can’t devote your life trying to keep up with who he is trying to con at the moment.

I suggest that you go back through the archives (by subject) here and read and learn to spot the red flags early on. This is NOT the last psychopath you will encounter. KNOWLEDGE IS POWER (and warning!) EDUCATE yourself, and educate your friends before they get caught up in a trap.

Glad to have you here. Again, Welcome! God bless.

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