“How did he really feel?” and “What did he want from me?” are two questions that often haunt victims of sociopaths. The reason we are haunted by these questions varies but often stems from the habit of over-focusing on the sociopath instead of ourselves. That being said, victims also have a healthy ”˜need to know’ that can help with recovery and healing.
I struggled with these questions in my own healing. I remain baffled by my observations of enjoyment of affection on the part of sociopaths. Early on, I told my own therapist that I had come to the conclusion that sociopaths exploit those close to them to the point of death, then, cry at the funeral. At the moment the tears are shed, I believe they do represent a grief of sorts. The feelings of loss experienced by sociopaths are however, short lived. Victims also have to beware because, although sociopaths are said to be incapable of feelings for those in their lives, they do become obsessed with them. Psychologists have not yet explained this obsession. If they don’t attach, why are they obsessed? Those who have read my other entries know that I believe that sociopaths do attach. It is what they do with attachments that is disordered.
How did he really feel?
In response to the picture of a sociopath crying at his victim’s funeral, my therapist said, “He feels what he tells himself he feels.” To help you understand what my therapist meant, I will explain what is known about how people usually experience feelings.
There are two components to feelings. The first is a physical sensation. When we experience a feeling we feel something in our bodies in relationship to that feeling. Think about loving someone close to you and sense how your body feels. Is it warmth in your heart? That is usually what people report.
There is much evidence that these physical sensations are disordered in sociopaths. Sociopaths do not generally experience the physical and hormonal changes that go along with feeling emotion. If they do experience them, it is to a lesser degree. Physical responses are blunted.
The second component of feelings is called attribution. Attribution is a cognitive process. When I feel that warmth in my heart as I see my children, I attribute the sensation to my love for them. Thus the physical sensation alone does not make emotion. Emotion is physical sensations and our interpretations of these sensations. There is also evidence that the parts of the brain responsible for attribution do not function properly in sociopaths.
There is one emotion that many sociopaths experience in a not so disordered way. This emotion is anger. Sociopaths do have blunted physical responses to anger. Despite this blunted responsiveness, they seem aware of angry feelings and make correct attributions about what makes them angry. Again, science has not even addressed, much less explained this observation.
Since the physical sensations and attributions that allow for the experience of emotion are disordered in sociopaths, their inner world is very different. They are left to make sense of themselves and others without the tools most of us use. Other parts of the brain fill in the missing processes. The person who is credited with first describing sociopathy in depth is Hervey Cleckley. He proposed that sociopaths are at least of average if not above average verbal intelligence. This makes sense because they have to use their verbal intelligence to make up for their lack of emotions. They do indeed feel what they tell themselves they feel. Scientists say they mimic other people’s emotions, yet again there is no real proof of this.
What did he want from me?
This question is easy to answer intellectually, but very hard for victims to accept emotionally. There are three pleasures we get from our love relationships. The first is pleasure in affection. The second is sexual pleasure. The third is pleasure associated with dominance and control. Sociopaths experience sex and dominance as enormously more pleasurable than affection. Therefore, they are in relationships to get sex and power, pure and simple.
If you love deeply and feel affection for others, you cannot fathom the inner world of an emotionally disordered person whose primary pleasures are sex and power. To understand another’s world you have to imagine yourself experiencing what the other experiences. You can’t do this with a sociopath.
Louise Gallagher said in her post The six steps of healing from a psychopath that the first step is acceptance. We have to accept that we can only know in part how sociopaths really feel and what they want from us. We can understand intellectually, but never emotionally.
EB, skylar, and Oxy of course.
I thought this latest communication regarding the passport may be good fodder for you.
Any further suggestions along with any insults you’d like to throw at Spath, would be greatly appreciated.
Here goes the spewage:
“I am aware of things that are happening in different countries outside of the U.S. I would never take our son to a place that would put him in any danger in any shape or form. We are thinking of going either to the Bahamas, St. Lucia or another island in the Caribbean. None of those places or areas is dangerous or need vaccinations to visit. If you go on the website I gave you in the first email, you can see what places have travel warnings, in which the Caribbean isn’t one of them with the exception of Mexico and Haiti which we are not looking to travel to. There are also travel alerts which range from natural disasters, high profile events, and conferences to sports events etc. St. Lucia is on that list for a hurricane that went through recently which will expire December 1st. Please note that hurricane season runs from June to November. Also, we would be traveling with people that vacation every year out of the country. They have a good insight as well as to what places are good or bad to travel to, and how the people are in those countries as they have traveled to many areas throughout the Caribbean, Mexico, and Europe.
I also realize that our son is young and that is why I don’t plan on taking our son to any extreme places as he wouldn’t be able to do a lot of things that older kids and adults could do and see. This trip in February that we are looking to go is more of a relaxation trip, just going to the beach and playing in the sand than anything else. Our son is young to where he won’t remember these vacations we take him on, and that is why I also do not think it is worth it to spend a lot of money on expensive vacations farther away until he is older and can enjoy them and make memories he can remember.
The passport for our son is not just for the February break vacation (if we do end up going). I also believe it is a good idea for our son just to have, as a passport is good for identification purposes. It is also good for travel to Canada which I would like to take him over the course of the winter on one of my custodial weekends. Canada does not require a passport for children under 16 nor does the U.S require it for re-entry from Canada, but I think it is a good idea. As he travels he will gain more and more stamps on his passport and he will be able to look back on all the places he has been throughout his life.
Please let me know your thoughts in a rather timely manner, as this is something that would need to be done rather quickly to ensure we have a passport in time (approximately 6 weeks from the time we apply). I want to make travel arrangements as soon as possible, way before the end of the year, as rates change daily along with availability. Until I know you will allow our son to go out of the country I won’t know for sure where we will be going as it is going to depend on price and availability at that time.” (I will not say yes or no until I know for sure where he is going)
TY SO much…some of this is like bloodletting too 🙂
FAD
FAD – it’s like reading the comics.
Dear FAD,
WEll, take the kid to the beach in Florida or Texas, Mississippi or the Alabama coast, or how about spending his vacation money in AMerica since there is a recession on, he said it HIMSELF, the kid isn’t going to remember it any way.
Hell, he can get a load of sand dumped in the back yard for $100 and the kid can have his own beach!!!! He won’t need a passport for that.
THE ANSWER IS NO, NO, NO, A THOUSAND TIMES NO YOU JERKFACE, I WOULD NOT ALLOW YOU TO LEAVE THE STATE WITH MY KID IF I COULD STOP IT, SO YOU THINK YOU ARE GOING TO TAKE HIM OUT OF THE COUNTRY????? NO, NO, A THOUSAND TIMES NO. OH, BY THE WAY JERK FACE, IF YOU CAN AFFORD A VACATION YOU CAN PAY ME THE BACK CHILD SUPPORT! IDIOT!!!!
Now, in response to this, say to jerkface, “Please have your attorney consult with my attorney about this.” (THAT IS ALL YOU SAY TO THE MOFO!) GRRRRRRR!!!! (sound of me grinding $10,000 worth of crowns off my lower teeth!)))
WOw….what a ‘caring’ father….offering him a chance to travel…….NOT!
Too much riff raff in that letter to believe a word he says…..
I might be taking him, I might not, just do your part and i’ll let you know after, yada, blahk lksdija sdlkhsdhasjow sjk’; dnkiaq; jikajodfwe jiajoijijd,slsii’a. CAPICHE?
Translation……
Like….just shut up and get me his passport biatch!
OMG, FAD,
Oxy said it the first time. NO M*****f******wAY!
I’m trying to calm down, I may not be able to.
He is trying EXACTLY what my ExP does. He is trying to sound like the reaonsable one in this “dialog”. Derail it!
Channel Mr. Spock from Star Trek. You are logical but without emotion.
Spath,
I’m glad that you can see the irrationality of taking our son out of the country to a beach that he will never remember, especially when there are so many beaches within our borders where I will feel much better about his travel. You have never shown any respect or consideration for my feelings before, so I’m surprised and grateful for this small modicum of consideration. It is 180 degrees to my experiene with you previously and I’m not sure what to make of it.
Are you on a new medication?
Of course I still will not agree to any action that would remove my child from the jurisdictiion of our legal system, which is put in place to protect those who can’t protect themselves, such as our young, innocent son. When he is 18 he wil be able to judge for himself where he will go and with whom. Time flies, be patient, you will see that this is the prudent thing to do.
Jerkface,
Have your lawyer contact my lawyer about the passport and any international travel.
Sincerely,
Your soon-to-be-x, Ms. Spock
(then a Ps written in invisible ink—GO FARK OFF JERKFACE!!! NEVER!!!!)
Not to mention the effects of sea lice.
Beach it locally homey.
If you make him go through the attorneys, he ‘may’ not want to spend the money on that…….it ‘may’ shut that issue down.
Does he owe you money?
Is he claiming broke (like the rest of em?)
Where is THIS vaca money coming from?
🙂
Just saying.
You know, I think JERK FACE doesn’t get it that taking a 2 year old on a a”vacation” like this is actually NOT A GOOD THING FOR THE KID.. Kids at that age like ROUTINE, and they want their own bed and own room and own things and people they know, they are NOT into CHANGES in routine. But, I THINK jerkface THINKS that others would THINK it was a “great” parenting thing to want to take your child (even one that age) on a VACATION to play on the beach in another country.
Sort of like as Hare says “they know the words, but not the music” and he is just trying to “show what a loving parent” he is and he has NO Idea what a loving parent would do or how they would act.
I’m sure glad he isn’t interested in taking the child on a tour of Iraq or Peru or Juarez Mexico or maybe a cruise by Somalia or to Haiti or North Korea where it might be “dangerous” or you might not want your child to go to. LOL
Thank you so much girls.
Your humor is a much needed stress reliever and your advice has wisdom I cannot match.
I am thinking on your responses and will update you as this “fight” progresses.
Unfortunately my attorney seems to think that the court will tell me to let our son have a passport and may also say he CAN go abroad.
Aye!
CVHEEEEEEET!!!! I can’t believe your attorney! Or a judge that would do that, well maybe you can try the “if he has enough money to go on vacation he can pay me ALL of the back child support —”
Don’t know if that would work or not, what have you got to lose in fighting it, even if the judge allows it, you can be on record at least in opposing it—especially if your X is behind in child support. I don’t know what else to do.
I would still tell him to take it up with my attorney, and have the attorney oppose it, still, if you lose you lose but at least you tried. Whew, Your jerkface just makes me grind my teeth FAD, I know how you have fought him and how he has been such a jerk, using everything he could nasty to control you, and now is trying the “nicey, nicey” carp, and you know it is carp!!!! UGH!!!!
We know that tiger hasn’t changed it’s stripes don’t we—-!!! Maybe he will take up GOLF!