“How did he really feel?” and “What did he want from me?” are two questions that often haunt victims of sociopaths. The reason we are haunted by these questions varies but often stems from the habit of over-focusing on the sociopath instead of ourselves. That being said, victims also have a healthy ”˜need to know’ that can help with recovery and healing.
I struggled with these questions in my own healing. I remain baffled by my observations of enjoyment of affection on the part of sociopaths. Early on, I told my own therapist that I had come to the conclusion that sociopaths exploit those close to them to the point of death, then, cry at the funeral. At the moment the tears are shed, I believe they do represent a grief of sorts. The feelings of loss experienced by sociopaths are however, short lived. Victims also have to beware because, although sociopaths are said to be incapable of feelings for those in their lives, they do become obsessed with them. Psychologists have not yet explained this obsession. If they don’t attach, why are they obsessed? Those who have read my other entries know that I believe that sociopaths do attach. It is what they do with attachments that is disordered.
How did he really feel?
In response to the picture of a sociopath crying at his victim’s funeral, my therapist said, “He feels what he tells himself he feels.” To help you understand what my therapist meant, I will explain what is known about how people usually experience feelings.
There are two components to feelings. The first is a physical sensation. When we experience a feeling we feel something in our bodies in relationship to that feeling. Think about loving someone close to you and sense how your body feels. Is it warmth in your heart? That is usually what people report.
There is much evidence that these physical sensations are disordered in sociopaths. Sociopaths do not generally experience the physical and hormonal changes that go along with feeling emotion. If they do experience them, it is to a lesser degree. Physical responses are blunted.
The second component of feelings is called attribution. Attribution is a cognitive process. When I feel that warmth in my heart as I see my children, I attribute the sensation to my love for them. Thus the physical sensation alone does not make emotion. Emotion is physical sensations and our interpretations of these sensations. There is also evidence that the parts of the brain responsible for attribution do not function properly in sociopaths.
There is one emotion that many sociopaths experience in a not so disordered way. This emotion is anger. Sociopaths do have blunted physical responses to anger. Despite this blunted responsiveness, they seem aware of angry feelings and make correct attributions about what makes them angry. Again, science has not even addressed, much less explained this observation.
Since the physical sensations and attributions that allow for the experience of emotion are disordered in sociopaths, their inner world is very different. They are left to make sense of themselves and others without the tools most of us use. Other parts of the brain fill in the missing processes. The person who is credited with first describing sociopathy in depth is Hervey Cleckley. He proposed that sociopaths are at least of average if not above average verbal intelligence. This makes sense because they have to use their verbal intelligence to make up for their lack of emotions. They do indeed feel what they tell themselves they feel. Scientists say they mimic other people’s emotions, yet again there is no real proof of this.
What did he want from me?
This question is easy to answer intellectually, but very hard for victims to accept emotionally. There are three pleasures we get from our love relationships. The first is pleasure in affection. The second is sexual pleasure. The third is pleasure associated with dominance and control. Sociopaths experience sex and dominance as enormously more pleasurable than affection. Therefore, they are in relationships to get sex and power, pure and simple.
If you love deeply and feel affection for others, you cannot fathom the inner world of an emotionally disordered person whose primary pleasures are sex and power. To understand another’s world you have to imagine yourself experiencing what the other experiences. You can’t do this with a sociopath.
Louise Gallagher said in her post The six steps of healing from a psychopath that the first step is acceptance. We have to accept that we can only know in part how sociopaths really feel and what they want from us. We can understand intellectually, but never emotionally.
i am reading all of these stories and crying..still in alot of agony at times…shattered..i am in therapy now but i am forever changed…my story..briefly…i only knew him for 2 months..i joined a Christian gym…i am sure you have never heard of one..i hadn’t either..but anyway..he was the manager..he wore a cross printed on his shirt…Bible verses on the wall…nice music and atmosphere..he didn’t own the gym…he was hired off the street..he told me he had 2 business degrees and spoke 5 languages..this was a temporary job since his wife had died 3 years before…after 18 months of marriage…he said he had a girlfriend for a year and a half after that and she was just horrible and he was treated so badly…he totally went after me…romance like i had never seen..polite..charming..prayed with me and for me daily…held my hand every chance he had..took me out to eat…told me God had been preparing me for this all my life and if i would just give him a chance he would ”love me as Christ loves the church”..and so on..he told me he had never tasted alcohol…i honestly thought he should have a church and be preaching…he seemed almost perfect…and he loved me so much….i thought…..so i married him…and moved all my furniture into a condo we bought together…he wanted my money put into his bank..and 75,000 he talked me into letting him invest…i never saw it again….in 3 months he was not working…he was a binge drinking alcoholic…he would either be praying for me…calling me ”baby doll” or ”sweetheart” or you..M.F.B…..and worse.. when i said i was leaving he said ”leaving was not an option”..that he would kill me and kill himself…at times he ordered me to sit and not move and not speak…finally when it was really coming to a head..he told me he had found a job in another state and he wanted us to have a new start..a new home…find a church…and he promised to stop drinking..i reluctantly went…a mistake…he put my things into storage…took the money and moved it to a new acct… hid the cash…i still don’t know where it is….he took me to a friend’s empty home…started drinking…there was no job…in a few days he beat me up badly and abandoned me….i was without food for 3 days..i called 911..got help….made it back to my home state…i have never seen him again…he refused all calls from me or my attorney..i found i was the 4th he has done this to..the wife that died..he overdosed while she had cancer so she was terminal but the family knew he did this…he took 200,000 from her acct. which was for her son..and left her mom 80,000 in credit card debt…he robbed and abandoned his first wife also….he has no conscience….this man who said i was like”his breath and blood” has never been seen again..he stole my furniture and all my money…AND i did a background check…i wish i had when i met him..HE IS A SEX OFFENDER!!!.so i am pretty devastated..i just cry alot…can’t work right now..can’t sleep..very depressed..have felt suicidal..i am in therapy….i will make it but i am in such pain.
hi..it’s judy again…i just got up for a new day after writing to you last night…to clarify…i only knew him for 2 months before i married him..we were married a year and a half…i was only with him a year when he disappeared..left me in another state..not knowing exactly where i was…the judge in my state has granted me a divorce after he didn’t show for court..but i got my name back ..but … he broke my spirit, took my money and things..hurt my body..and i will never trust wide open as i once did…i shouldn’t have trusted like that anyway..but he was very convincing…sociopaths tune in and listen for who you are…i was at a vulnerable time in my life and wanting a new start…he told me i was the greatest and most wonderful woman he had ever met..he told me i was the most beautiful woman he had ever seen…you know what is really bad? the most fulfilled i ever felt ..the most i ever laughed…the most i ever felt truly cherished..and it wasn’t even real…..so the grief has been over the top…i understand so many of these postings..thank you for reading mine..
southernman….you really sound awesome…the kind of man i hope to be with…it is wonderful to hear that your heart is still wanting love….it seems all on this site have suffered but were really only wanting to love and be loved…this was my first encounter with a love relationship with such a con…a sociopath robs you of what they can…wounds you but thank God we are still here…and good people!
Thank you Judy, and I wish you the best in your recovery and in life………….
~Rick~
hi rick…thank you for posting…please stay in touch…i am beginning to see the light in my life again but i have times of deep sadness..i cry..then i just think about it all…i can’t believe what happened in my life..i always thought i could read people better …i am a Psych RN….and i knew all about ”sociopaths”…but when you are the victim..oopps you don’t even realize it…you think they are for ”real”…this site has helped me alot!
thank you all again! judy
Im having a very difficult time these past few days and Ive slept minimally.
Here is my story…as Ive only shared bits and pieces. My ex and I met on a dating website. We met at a mutually convenient place, and upon seeing him for the first time in person, I was in awe! He was the perfect looking guy, casual, with a tall stature, a beautiful face and such charm. We went into a restaurant but didnt eat. We sat at the bar, and I ordered a drink. He did not, saying he doens’t drink anymore. That was fine with me. We engaged in conversation, and at one point, I had asked him if he had ever been in prison. Why that came to my mind, I dont know…but it did. He said no, and the night continued. We left the restaurant and went to a park near my house and talked all night long. He told me of the person he is and what he stands for and what it is that he wants out of life. He painted a picture that seemed ‘perfect’ in a ‘perfect world’ with ‘perfect expectations”. I told him that night that there had to be something more to him, as NO ONE has things that tightly wrapped up in a package. He assured me this was ‘just him’.
The red flags began shortly after we met. The following weekend he wanted to see me, however, I was not sure I wanted to persue a relationship with him…my intuition told me to slow down. I told him I was busy that weekend. Little did I know, he was already on his way to my house! He became angry with me stating ‘but Im already half way there’. He also told me that we couldnt see each other any other time that weekend, as he was having his son. He forgot though that he already told me it wasnt his weekend to have his son. He simply wanted what he wanted and wasnt concerned about me.
The next couple of weekends we saw each other and things were going well. He wrote me a lengthy email at about week 4 telling me of his mysterious ‘past’ that consisted of him being in prison for 26 months, and how he was ‘only’ trying to save his brother from his drug dealer. I was floored and sick to my stomache at the same time. I cried to him, asking him to tell me it was a lie and that it really wasnt true. He did not. The emails and phone calls came heavily at that time, as it seemed as if he was begging me to stay with him…as he was a ‘changed’ person. I fought with myself for quite some time about the choice I was about to make. I was going to give him the benefit of the doubt, as people do change and become better people.
That may have been my demise. We dated for 4 months and on Christmas Eve Night, he dropped a bomb on me. He had a daughter whom he had never met or saw, but was paying child support for. WHAT!!! I knew of his son, but a daughter?
I was, again, supportive and understanding of what he told me had happened. His daughters mother and him met at a bar, got drunk, had sex, and she got pregnant, only SHE didnt want to have anythign to do with HIM and got back together with her exboyfriend. At that time, he swore no other shoe was gonna drop. This was it…no more surprises. I will admit, I was pissed that it took him 4 months to tell me this, although, in my distorted mind, I thought “wow, this must have been hard for him to tell me’.
We dated for the next year and a half with nothing happening except absolute bliss. We got along great, talked about moving in together, getting married, all the good stuff. In February of 2008, we had an arguement. Over what, I dont even remember. We didnt talk for about a week. We had a wedding to go to on the 16th, and we did speak via email. He was demanding of explainations regardign why I didnt contact him…although he was mad at me. Another red flag. Things got patched up and we went to the wedding, had a great time, and things were on the mend again. Until March…
I found womens phone numbers in his phone (which I never looked in, except for this time) and had my friend call them. One of them happened to be from his long lost love…you know, the one he could NEVER stay away from, but they couldnt EVER be together? They had been talking during the tiem we werent. I confronted him about it, and he lied to my face! I gave him a chance to explain and only after he realized I wasnt backing down did he fess up…during the week we werent talking, he and the ex “met up” at the gym…but nothting happened. He said if anything it gave him some closure to their relationship and he realized he really loved me and wanted to be with me. Ahhhh…here began the blatant lies!
From March until September, again, things went well. He and I were getting closer (as that was his excuse to meet up with the ex…he didnt feel close to me anymore). In August, we went on a family vacation to Wisconsin. He and I got pulled over in WI for speeding. The cop came to our car and asked my ex if he had been to Missouri as there was a warrant out for someones arrest that looked just like him. My ex, of course didnt know what he was talkign about. The cop let us go and we thought nothing of it other than it was strange. About 2 miles down the road, at our destination, a detective and sherrif was waiting for us…ON MY FAMILY VACATION! My boyfriend had been in Missouri 9 years ago and earned himself a DUI…that never got taken care of…as well as a charge of forging checks and having drug paraphenalia. Remember, he had already gone to PRISON and upon his release, told me ‘everything was taken care of…clean slate”.
He was arrested and put in jail. I calle his mom to see what she knew and she knew more than I thought. It all some how ‘came back to her’ at that point and she began explaining some things to me. Mind you, I had dated him at this point for 2 years…and NO ONE in his family had given ANY information about ANY OF HIS PAST…I was totally in the blind.
So, August 08 to March of 2009 he was ‘trying’ to get this straightened out…but repeatedly ran into road blocks…or so he said. In March of 09, he got pulled over (after askign me to buy him a motorcycle and beign told no…he decided he didnt want to see me that weekend), and arrested AGAIN for driving on a revoked license (due to the DUI in Missouri that he got caught for in WI). His car was taken, license taken and he had AT LEAST a year of no driving. Mind you, he didnt want to see me that weekend cause he was mad…I had ‘devistated him’ by telling him ‘no’.
In September of 2008…after the arrest in WI, I had found texts on his phone that were sent to “GUS” saying “I cant stop thinking about your kisses”. He SWORE they were sent to me, but I just didnt get them. He couldnt talk his way ouf of this, so he packed his things and left…keys and all…for the third time in our relationship.
Im so sick to my stomache right now thinking about all this…I need a break…please, any pep talks would be helpful right now…
robxsykobabe,
it’s okay.
you were conned, just like everyone else here. and can you imagine the numbers of people who are conned who never find there way here? ….took me weeks of googling to find a net resource, to use the term ‘love fraud’…to find my way here.
the details of the con matter in as much as they show the path of destruction that we have walked down – and i think they are part of the picture we look at to find our way home to ourselves.
it’s okay; this seems like a detox or a cleansing…and things hurt on the way out, but it seems like they ARE ON THE WAY OUT, NOT IN. and THIS is good!
Okay… a pep talk is what you want..
I am gong tgo ask you.. WHY DID YOU CONTINUE SEEING HIM after the first time that he was coming over and you told him NO! And he got mad and said that he was already half way there…
Look into yourself and answer that question….
That is what I have been doing… why at the first few red flag did I keep dating the creep….?
Figure that out and heal yourself..
also anyone that states that they never drink yet mets you in a bar and you have nothing to eat.. what is that? A date? Why not meet a hamburger joint….
that was a red flag to me right there….
ask yourself.. why you kept with him after finding out that he had a daughter..? It was clear that he was not being truthful about his life….
Look into yourself… and heal .. get away from him and forget about him.. he sounds like the type that could get you into real trouble..
workout, take a hot bath.. go see a movie… be with friends.. but get this man out of your life.. he is poison..
and continue to read posts on here..
I am asking myself why and how did I allow myself to be conned?
That is what I want to know down to the very deepest part of myself…
When I get to the bottom of that, it will never be able to occur again.. I will see the red flags and when I do, I will not hesitate to exit.. say no… say go away! This is not what I want in my life. You are not what I want in my life. GOODBYE!
Instead of cutting them all the slack in the world.. and they keep bringing in new issues…