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“How did he really feel?” and “What did he want from me?”

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January 26, 2007 //  by Liane Leedom, M.D.

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“How did he really feel?” and “What did he want from me?” are two questions that often haunt victims of sociopaths. The reason we are haunted by these questions varies but often stems from the habit of over-focusing on the sociopath instead of ourselves. That being said, victims also have a healthy ”˜need to know’ that can help with recovery and healing.

I struggled with these questions in my own healing. I remain baffled by my observations of enjoyment of affection on the part of sociopaths. Early on, I told my own therapist that I had come to the conclusion that sociopaths exploit those close to them to the point of death, then, cry at the funeral. At the moment the tears are shed, I believe they do represent a grief of sorts. The feelings of loss experienced by sociopaths are however, short lived. Victims also have to beware because, although sociopaths are said to be incapable of feelings for those in their lives, they do become obsessed with them. Psychologists have not yet explained this obsession. If they don’t attach, why are they obsessed? Those who have read my other entries know that I believe that sociopaths do attach. It is what they do with attachments that is disordered.

How did he really feel?

In response to the picture of a sociopath crying at his victim’s funeral, my therapist said, “He feels what he tells himself he feels.” To help you understand what my therapist meant, I will explain what is known about how people usually experience feelings.

There are two components to feelings. The first is a physical sensation. When we experience a feeling we feel something in our bodies in relationship to that feeling. Think about loving someone close to you and sense how your body feels. Is it warmth in your heart? That is usually what people report.

There is much evidence that these physical sensations are disordered in sociopaths. Sociopaths do not generally experience the physical and hormonal changes that go along with feeling emotion. If they do experience them, it is to a lesser degree. Physical responses are blunted.

The second component of feelings is called attribution. Attribution is a cognitive process. When I feel that warmth in my heart as I see my children, I attribute the sensation to my love for them. Thus the physical sensation alone does not make emotion. Emotion is physical sensations and our interpretations of these sensations. There is also evidence that the parts of the brain responsible for attribution do not function properly in sociopaths.

There is one emotion that many sociopaths experience in a not so disordered way. This emotion is anger. Sociopaths do have blunted physical responses to anger. Despite this blunted responsiveness, they seem aware of angry feelings and make correct attributions about what makes them angry. Again, science has not even addressed, much less explained this observation.

Since the physical sensations and attributions that allow for the experience of emotion are disordered in sociopaths, their inner world is very different. They are left to make sense of themselves and others without the tools most of us use. Other parts of the brain fill in the missing processes. The person who is credited with first describing sociopathy in depth is Hervey Cleckley. He proposed that sociopaths are at least of average if not above average verbal intelligence. This makes sense because they have to use their verbal intelligence to make up for their lack of emotions. They do indeed feel what they tell themselves they feel. Scientists say they mimic other people’s emotions, yet again there is no real proof of this.

What did he want from me?

This question is easy to answer intellectually, but very hard for victims to accept emotionally. There are three pleasures we get from our love relationships. The first is pleasure in affection. The second is sexual pleasure. The third is pleasure associated with dominance and control. Sociopaths experience sex and dominance as enormously more pleasurable than affection. Therefore, they are in relationships to get sex and power, pure and simple.

If you love deeply and feel affection for others, you cannot fathom the inner world of an emotionally disordered person whose primary pleasures are sex and power. To understand another’s world you have to imagine yourself experiencing what the other experiences. You can’t do this with a sociopath.

Louise Gallagher said in her post The six steps of healing from a psychopath that the first step is acceptance. We have to accept that we can only know in part how sociopaths really feel and what they want from us. We can understand intellectually, but never emotionally.

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FightAnotherDay
14 years ago

Yes Oxy.

That is exactly my thinking. Only I am hoping we can close the settlement, and THEN he can take me to court over it :).

I hate to keep paying my attorney.

How can I really lose by saying No. If he takes me to court and they say yes, it would be the same as me saying yes now.

I am going to deny him this trip and let the Lord control the outcome from there.
🙂

FAD

Ox Drover
14 years ago

Dear FAD,

Good choice!!!

I know you want to get the settlement over with, but “what’s your hurry?” What is the ADVANTAGE to YOU besides “getting it over with?”

Maybe you can DELAY HIM! Throw a monkey wrench in the spokes so to speak? Put him on the defensive, but EVER SO NICELY though. LOL heee hee hee Sometimes we can as EB would say, BACKSPATH them. He might be in a hurry to get the settlement done so he and what’s her arse can get married….OR, SHE MIGHT BE IN A HURRY so they can get married, maybe YOU could get a twist on their tails! (raising eyebrows here and with a sneaky grin! on my face!!)

YesIt'sMe
14 years ago

YIKES, FAD!

Spewage, crappage, garbage! Call it what you want, but the rationalizations he gives for taking a toddler on vacations out of the country so that he’ll have lots of stamps in his passport is SO fricking WEAK!!

No no no no NO! No passport! No taking my kid outa the country even to Canada !!! Whatever it takes, Stop this Shat!!

FightAnotherDay
14 years ago

Awe Man.

This is what my attorney says:

“Your concerns that you raise are mainly concerns that you would have even if he traveled with your son to a warmer climate within the U.S., like Hawaii. Therefore, I do not see them holding much weight if you were to argue this in court. As far as I can tell, your main fear is that you are afraid he will not be cared for, or that he may not return to the country. For the first fear, there is no difference if he is on vacation in California or if he is on vacation in the Bahamas. The second fear is extremely speculative. your X has been very consistent about keeping his visitation schedule with your son, and about bringing him back when he is supposed to. He could very easily disappear with your son from within the United States, as this happens all the time. I think you have to learn to live with this.”

Any suggestions on what I can say to him, and what I need to dig up to defend my stance in court?

So far I have concerns about health care, my son being so far away that I can’t get there IF something happens…also, I don’t have the money or the passport to get there if I needed to.
Also, our son is not old enough to talk to someone if he got lost or if something happened to his father.

jeannie812
14 years ago

I know this is an old blog.

Jim told me the answer to this blog. He didn’t answer it in so many words.

He hated the social worker who is assertive/borderline aggressive, yet tiny and beautiful. Jim always refered to her as the Tree Hugging Bitch.

He had something agaisn’t news anchor Katie Curic and he refers to her as “the Cunt”

And now I am the newest on his HATE LIST

Jim and his kind just look down on women and see them as objects to be used.

He hates the women he can’t control.

And he also hates the women he can no longer control. Yet, he mainly hates the women he could never control.

The difference is the women he couldn’t control never suffer his wrath.

Then again he hated me while I was under his control.

OK, there it is.

He hates women.

soimnotthecrazee1
14 years ago

jeannie,
they want tiny and cute becuase they are pedophiles!!!! they want to or have had many fantasies about children. As far as “curic” she exposes pedophiles… hate relation there!!!

jeannie812
14 years ago

Obsession is simply that. As stated in your later blogs. The guy saw a endless supply. His only grief at my funeral was that “cut off the cord” of that supply.

soimnotthecrazee1
14 years ago

Jeannie
He was so cruel to me during my mom’s funeral…. He was good to the family…. cooking breakfast and taking care of us… but mean to me….. when I was saying I need to buy my tights int he kids dept… he says to my family…. oh well you know how FAT the kids are, where she would be buying.

aussiegirl
14 years ago

Just read this thread and appreciated the comment from Enigma on November 1st –

“it occurred to me that if I put half the amount of time believing in myself the way I have tried to believe in him, this would be so much easier. As FAD pointed out, I am spending way too much time trying to figure out what he is and why.”

It was a good reminder for me personally and I have re-posted it here because I think it’s a great reminder for us all.

Hope everyone is having a peaceful day. xx

soimnotthecrazee1
14 years ago

Morning Aussie,
Hugzzzz!!!
Now that I understand it all, I think sometimes I am spending more time on here than I should. It’s not like I have to deal with him at all. I don’t have his children to try and raise or anything else. Just the loss of my life , body and soul. But this has become a very comfortable place for me to vent, understand and just be “me”. I don’t have any family localy, just a couple of friends and after I got laid off, I found LF land it has helped me with NOT only him, but the multiple traumas I have been through in the past couple of years. As well as help for making decisions for my future.

I think acceptance is:
As FAD pointed out, I am spending way too much time trying to figure out what he is and why.”

But I still like to come here and feel comfy!! It’s been a long time since I got that feeling in anything!
Soimnotthecrazee1!

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