“How did he really feel?” and “What did he want from me?” are two questions that often haunt victims of sociopaths. The reason we are haunted by these questions varies but often stems from the habit of over-focusing on the sociopath instead of ourselves. That being said, victims also have a healthy ”˜need to know’ that can help with recovery and healing.
I struggled with these questions in my own healing. I remain baffled by my observations of enjoyment of affection on the part of sociopaths. Early on, I told my own therapist that I had come to the conclusion that sociopaths exploit those close to them to the point of death, then, cry at the funeral. At the moment the tears are shed, I believe they do represent a grief of sorts. The feelings of loss experienced by sociopaths are however, short lived. Victims also have to beware because, although sociopaths are said to be incapable of feelings for those in their lives, they do become obsessed with them. Psychologists have not yet explained this obsession. If they don’t attach, why are they obsessed? Those who have read my other entries know that I believe that sociopaths do attach. It is what they do with attachments that is disordered.
How did he really feel?
In response to the picture of a sociopath crying at his victim’s funeral, my therapist said, “He feels what he tells himself he feels.” To help you understand what my therapist meant, I will explain what is known about how people usually experience feelings.
There are two components to feelings. The first is a physical sensation. When we experience a feeling we feel something in our bodies in relationship to that feeling. Think about loving someone close to you and sense how your body feels. Is it warmth in your heart? That is usually what people report.
There is much evidence that these physical sensations are disordered in sociopaths. Sociopaths do not generally experience the physical and hormonal changes that go along with feeling emotion. If they do experience them, it is to a lesser degree. Physical responses are blunted.
The second component of feelings is called attribution. Attribution is a cognitive process. When I feel that warmth in my heart as I see my children, I attribute the sensation to my love for them. Thus the physical sensation alone does not make emotion. Emotion is physical sensations and our interpretations of these sensations. There is also evidence that the parts of the brain responsible for attribution do not function properly in sociopaths.
There is one emotion that many sociopaths experience in a not so disordered way. This emotion is anger. Sociopaths do have blunted physical responses to anger. Despite this blunted responsiveness, they seem aware of angry feelings and make correct attributions about what makes them angry. Again, science has not even addressed, much less explained this observation.
Since the physical sensations and attributions that allow for the experience of emotion are disordered in sociopaths, their inner world is very different. They are left to make sense of themselves and others without the tools most of us use. Other parts of the brain fill in the missing processes. The person who is credited with first describing sociopathy in depth is Hervey Cleckley. He proposed that sociopaths are at least of average if not above average verbal intelligence. This makes sense because they have to use their verbal intelligence to make up for their lack of emotions. They do indeed feel what they tell themselves they feel. Scientists say they mimic other people’s emotions, yet again there is no real proof of this.
What did he want from me?
This question is easy to answer intellectually, but very hard for victims to accept emotionally. There are three pleasures we get from our love relationships. The first is pleasure in affection. The second is sexual pleasure. The third is pleasure associated with dominance and control. Sociopaths experience sex and dominance as enormously more pleasurable than affection. Therefore, they are in relationships to get sex and power, pure and simple.
If you love deeply and feel affection for others, you cannot fathom the inner world of an emotionally disordered person whose primary pleasures are sex and power. To understand another’s world you have to imagine yourself experiencing what the other experiences. You can’t do this with a sociopath.
Louise Gallagher said in her post The six steps of healing from a psychopath that the first step is acceptance. We have to accept that we can only know in part how sociopaths really feel and what they want from us. We can understand intellectually, but never emotionally.
Coeur,
Welcome. Your story does sound like a nightmare, unfortunately familiar. 🙁
You are already getting the knowledge you need to make decisions. The next step is to begin to feel that what you are learning now is more real than all the lies you have believed for 15 years. It’s going to take time. The more you learn, the quicker you will be able to assimilate the truth until it becomes part of you.
The neurons in your brain will start to make connections to the other truths in your life and then you won’t ever doubt when you meet a spath. You will know one when you see one. The more you immerse yourself in knowledge, the stronger you will be.
This website is awesome for that but there are also books that will bring the information in faster. My favorites are:
“Why is it always about you? The seven deadly sins of narcissism” by sandy hotchkiss
“People of the lie” by Dr. Scott Peck
“The Sociopath Nextdoor” by Martha Stout.
I was with a spath for 25 years and didn’t have a clue. There is NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING real about the nightmare you experienced. There is no “real” them. They lie 24/7. Yes, they use a kernal of the truth to anchor their lies. They feed on your emotions, so they create drama everywhere they go.
Your mission, is to refuse to give them any drama.
Thank you Silvermoon and Skylar. It was fluke that I happened on this site lastnight. I have the Sociopath Next Door, and Eckhart Tolle, and am reading In Search of the Miraculous by Eliza Mada Dalian, http://www.madadalian.com/
I’ve booked a session with her in March. This experience with the “spath” (like the term,as I have a hard time saying his name), has led me on a spiritual journey. I understand that the pain and suffering are necessary and part of my journey towards enlightenment, and that I have to embrace them as they are what will help me heal. He was a necessary evil to help me along. I get all of that, but bloody hell I’m tired of swiming in this shit!!! I also know it’s just the beginning because I feel there are more truths/lies about him yet to be discovered, and am so anxious and tense inside, like I’m waiting for something to hit me knowing that it’s going to hurt again. When does it end? And why the hell do I still feel this need to protect him? Why do I feel I am to blame? I fear that if he were to show up at my door, I’d probably let him in. It’s so sick. I just want the whole bad experience to end.
Repeat as a mantra:
It wasn’t me, it was him.
Pain and suffering are optional.
Its my life, and he’s out of it.
I don’t have to embrace this C R A P, I need to LET GO OF IT.
It ends NOW.
No matter what you discover, he’s still GONE. And NOT coming back into your life.
You don’t have to protect him. You have to protect YOU.
No one of us NEEDED this. But, things being what we are we are here together because it is what it is.
Feel your way through and know that the part of you that says bloody hell I’m tired of swimming in this shit!!!
is ready to move forward. Don’t hold yourself back.
If there is more, there is more. But until you find it, you need not live in fear of it.
The experience of finding it, no matter how awful is in some way, relieving because then you know.
There is no reason not to be able to go on with YOUR life.
Dream Big, think clearly and Live YOUR life.
You can do it.
Hi Coeur ”“ 15 years of eggshells, that’s a long time. And it will take time to unravel the heartache HE put you through. Stay here, read and learn.
My spath alienated my kids, they twist everything to shift the blame from themselves. Do not punish yourself for this, what’s done is done.
Start from right here, right now and walk away from the fog he’s created in your head.
The truth will come out in time, and you will have many questions. Looking for answers is like looking for a pebble in the sea. All spaths have common traits and if you read here you will get an understanding of what makes him tick.
He has you on what is termed here the ’back-burner’. He keeps you hooked so that he can run to you when all else fails. Don’t fall for it.
As for telling the other woman ”“ I did, and she still had him back!! He will tell her you are a head case blah, blah. Don’t waste your energy.
Spend your time building bridges with your kids. He is not worth YOUR energy. Well done you for walking away. Remember ”“ no contact ”“ that is the greatest punishment you can dish out.
The others here will give support and help you forward. Good luck.
Dear coeur,
Welcome to Love Fraud.
There is a book called the Betrayal Bond by Patrick Carnes, it will answer a lot of your questions about WHY you stayed. Abuse “bonds” us to them just as an abused child will protect the very abusive parent. The same reason that Jaycee Dugard and Elizabeth Smart didn’t try to escape after a few days.
Glad you found your way here—there is support, knowledge and healing here! Welcome! God bless.
Could it be that I am the sick one? I went along with the lies. I chose to believe them. I chose to make him my priority over my kids and family. I played a part in the break-up of his relationship by continuing to see him. I lack integrity, and morals as well, do I not? I am no better than him. I feel so much turmoil inside. I look inside me, and I don’t like what I see. To have been so selfish, to put sex or what I thought was love, and my own desires ahead of my children to the point that I put them in harms way, is unforgivable. I feel dirty. I feel ashamed of my role in all this.
What a nice name, Coeur de pirate.
Don’t worry, you were a bad pirate for a while but now you want to be a good one. Do you see as there are in fact huge differences between normal pirates and spathic chronic pirates?
Dear Coeur de pirate,
We all have “sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.” You are not alone, everyone that breathes has done things that they should regret so that simply means you are human. Normal.
The fact that you regret them means you are NOT a psychopath, it means you have a conscience and that you CARE what is right and what is wrong. That means you are not a psychopath.
I wish I could tell you I had not done anything wrong in my life that I knew was wrong and did it anyway. I can’t tell you that because it would be a lie if I did. I have made a vow to myself though to be as honest with myself and as honest with others as I possibly can be today and in the future. I think I have lied to myself more than I have ever lied to others. I think lying to myself has done more damage than the lies I ever told others.
Forgive yourself for your part in the “dance of lies”—-make amends as much as you can with your children or anyone else that was harmed—and then do better today and in the future. Don’t continue to beat yourself over the head for the past, what you cannot change….the past.
Start a new life today! Make it the best life and yourself the best person that you can be, starting today! Changing ourselves is the only thing we have 100% control over….and what we don’t like about ourselves we CAN change—(((Hugs)))) and God bless.
I’m questioning everything. He was good to me in alot of ways. He lent me the $ to buy a vehicle. He put the down on the house we bought. After I left him he helped me build the addition on my home. He was always there for me, although he was always very controlling, and I couldn’t make any decisions on my own. He screwed around the whole time we were together, but if I think about what Steve Harvey says in his book, maybe I didn’t value him enough. When he found another girlfriend we continued to see each other, many times I broke it off because I was fed up of him saying “Just give me time.” Then she leaves and we weren’t any closer to getting back together. And the sex…the very best!! Was it ever love? And now after 2yrs he is back with her, they just bought a house. Maybe he was never able to make a go of his relationship with her because I was in the picture. Maybe now he will be able to be happy with her. But I’m ANGRY!!!! I gave him so many opportunities to move on, make a go of it with her. I asked him repeatedly, “If you want to work it out with her, I’ll step aside. I want you to be happy.” Right up until December!!! and still he said no, no, no. Even when someone told me that they were talking about getting back together, and I confronted him, he denied it. Every bloody time, I tried to move on, met someone, and had the chance to have a good relationship, he would hound me, beg me to just give him time. So what the HELL!!!! What’s real??!! I was always only an option. I’m alone. I’m 49, I gave him 15yrs of my life, he is 39, with all his life ahead of him, embarking on his relationship with her, and I am discarded, thrown to the curb like the garbage that I feel that I am. And no matter what, people will blame me, not him. Anyone have an eraser? I want to erase the last 15yrs or just hit me with a Mack truck, because I don’t want to suffer this any longer.
Dear coeur de pirate,
It is obvious to me that he will NOT BE HAPPY WITH ANYONE….it is only from the outside that you think he is happy with her.
Giving you money to buy a vehicle and helping build on to your house, etc. is only a PAYMENT ON CONTROL…..I’m not familiar with Steve Harvey’s book, but I know one thing, whatever it says the man’s problems are NOT BECAUSE YOU DIDN’T VALUE HIM ENOUGH….any man who would say “just give me time”—-time to decide if he wants her or you? BULL CARP!
He wasn’t unable to make a go of his relationship with her—but not because you were in the picture—but because HE IS NOT GOING TO MAKE A REAL GO OF ANY RELATIONSHIP WITH ANYONE BECAUSE HE *****HE***** is in the picture!
WHAT IS REAL???
You are REAL. HE is FALSE.
You are 49 not 94, but even if you were 94 you still have “the rest of your life ahead of you” if it is one day or a hundred years. None of us know how long we will live, today may be the last day of my life, I have no way of knowing, so I want to make this day the best day it can be!
Nah, you can’t erase the past, but you can re-design the future to be what you want it to be. YOu can make yourself the best person you can possibly be, the happiest person and the most secure, by depending on YOURSELF to make you happy, not depending on someone else.
Yea, he “discarded” you and devalued you, but that does NOT mean you must accept his assessment of your worth! You are worth what YOU want to be worth! You set your own value on yourself and no one can change it. If you allow others to set the value on yourself, then anyone can change it. I don’t want my value to depend on what anyone else thinks of me, I set my own value and I am setting it HIGH! I”M WORTH IT! and so are YOU!!!