“How did he really feel?” and “What did he want from me?” are two questions that often haunt victims of sociopaths. The reason we are haunted by these questions varies but often stems from the habit of over-focusing on the sociopath instead of ourselves. That being said, victims also have a healthy ”˜need to know’ that can help with recovery and healing.
I struggled with these questions in my own healing. I remain baffled by my observations of enjoyment of affection on the part of sociopaths. Early on, I told my own therapist that I had come to the conclusion that sociopaths exploit those close to them to the point of death, then, cry at the funeral. At the moment the tears are shed, I believe they do represent a grief of sorts. The feelings of loss experienced by sociopaths are however, short lived. Victims also have to beware because, although sociopaths are said to be incapable of feelings for those in their lives, they do become obsessed with them. Psychologists have not yet explained this obsession. If they don’t attach, why are they obsessed? Those who have read my other entries know that I believe that sociopaths do attach. It is what they do with attachments that is disordered.
How did he really feel?
In response to the picture of a sociopath crying at his victim’s funeral, my therapist said, “He feels what he tells himself he feels.” To help you understand what my therapist meant, I will explain what is known about how people usually experience feelings.
There are two components to feelings. The first is a physical sensation. When we experience a feeling we feel something in our bodies in relationship to that feeling. Think about loving someone close to you and sense how your body feels. Is it warmth in your heart? That is usually what people report.
There is much evidence that these physical sensations are disordered in sociopaths. Sociopaths do not generally experience the physical and hormonal changes that go along with feeling emotion. If they do experience them, it is to a lesser degree. Physical responses are blunted.
The second component of feelings is called attribution. Attribution is a cognitive process. When I feel that warmth in my heart as I see my children, I attribute the sensation to my love for them. Thus the physical sensation alone does not make emotion. Emotion is physical sensations and our interpretations of these sensations. There is also evidence that the parts of the brain responsible for attribution do not function properly in sociopaths.
There is one emotion that many sociopaths experience in a not so disordered way. This emotion is anger. Sociopaths do have blunted physical responses to anger. Despite this blunted responsiveness, they seem aware of angry feelings and make correct attributions about what makes them angry. Again, science has not even addressed, much less explained this observation.
Since the physical sensations and attributions that allow for the experience of emotion are disordered in sociopaths, their inner world is very different. They are left to make sense of themselves and others without the tools most of us use. Other parts of the brain fill in the missing processes. The person who is credited with first describing sociopathy in depth is Hervey Cleckley. He proposed that sociopaths are at least of average if not above average verbal intelligence. This makes sense because they have to use their verbal intelligence to make up for their lack of emotions. They do indeed feel what they tell themselves they feel. Scientists say they mimic other people’s emotions, yet again there is no real proof of this.
What did he want from me?
This question is easy to answer intellectually, but very hard for victims to accept emotionally. There are three pleasures we get from our love relationships. The first is pleasure in affection. The second is sexual pleasure. The third is pleasure associated with dominance and control. Sociopaths experience sex and dominance as enormously more pleasurable than affection. Therefore, they are in relationships to get sex and power, pure and simple.
If you love deeply and feel affection for others, you cannot fathom the inner world of an emotionally disordered person whose primary pleasures are sex and power. To understand another’s world you have to imagine yourself experiencing what the other experiences. You can’t do this with a sociopath.
Louise Gallagher said in her post The six steps of healing from a psychopath that the first step is acceptance. We have to accept that we can only know in part how sociopaths really feel and what they want from us. We can understand intellectually, but never emotionally.
Coeur,
It could have been me that wrote your post.
I hope I can assist in helping you to clarify what happened. Sometimes picking it apart, piece by piece in the beginning is helpful.
1. His buying you things and helping you= Manipulation. He did it to keep you his “back burner” girl until he could “secure” his relationshit with this next girl. He bought a house with her? So? He put a down on yours? So? Do you see what I mean here? He uses money or assistance as a manipulative tool to control EACH situation, she and you. How long do you think it will be before he once again attempts to reel you back in? Because he probably will and this is something you need to think about in protecting yourself in the future. NC all the way. He will tire of her soon enough and if it’s not you he tries to reel back in, he will with someone else.
2. The just give me time line, yep right out of spath play book. mine said the exact same thing MANY MANY times. All bullshit. It was just a way to keep me, again, back burner girl.
3. I was having an affair with my spath Coeur. COUNTLESS times I told him to go back and work his marriage and often asked why he wouldn’t do it. “Too much work” he said. NOPE. NOT ACCURATE….flip his motives to what was real: HE LOVED THE DRAMA OF TRIANGULATION….two women FIGHTING over him. Fun for them, huh? That’s exactly what yours did to you. One tell tale sign for me with my spath at the end, was almost precisely what yours did to you, HE LIED ABOUT LYING….and even AFTER he lied about lying about another women, he STILL tried to get “in” with me. But only for a short while,because I put a stop to it. I wasn’t in the dark about him anymore.
4. Will he be happy with her? ohhhhhhhhh yes, the question I’ve been asking myself since the relationshit ended. NOPE, he’s already perusing his dating site again. Whatever relationshit he’s in, he WILL UNDOUBTEDLY SET UP another triangulation situation and there will be TWO MORE victims if not more. ONE IS NEVER ENOUGH. I wasn’t a good “pay off” anymore because I knew the TRUTH about him. I’d inevitably be checking up on him and finding out more lies. It wasn’t about ME, it was about HIM, the ENTIRE TIME. But I wonder if you can try to see how EVIL that really is, Coeur. He KNEW he was setting you AND she up. AND HE DID IT ANYWAY!!!!
YOU WILL BE OKAY!!!! Because these people have VERY poor boundaries, it would be good for you to set up a plan in which you can stay NC in the early stages of healing. Setting up your own personal boundaries so he cannot try to come back. NEVER assume that they won’t, if they figure you’re still pining away for him. That IS his in door. SHUT IT TIGHT. It won’t be long before “honeymoon” is over with her. TRUST ME on this one. YOUR emotional safety is PARAMOUNT right now.
I’m 47, Coeur and I spent ten years in a relationshit with this man. Ten years and 364 days TOO LONG. I understand that it feels like you wasted time and years, and while that may well be true (because they ARE a waste of time), your life is NOT OVER. YOU are still valuable and worthwhile. Healing takes a long time, but it WILL get better little by little the longer you’re out. Read EVERYTHING you can here, over and over if you have too. I have spent virtually everyday, if not ALL day long, reading and posting. It takes awhile but I’m making some VERY CRITICAL CONNECTIONS in how i got involved, ALLOWED it to happen in the first place, ironically, now that i’m getting it MORE, I’m finding an interesting permeating peace into my SOUL with understanding that I did not before. My ‘love” for spath is turning into disgust and repulsion and FEAR of EVER hearing from the little bastard again.
You’ll get there. Just hang on tight and post as much as you need too. Read as much as you can. Books are also very helpful.
Roses
Wow! All of you are amazing! I honestly felt like I was going insane before I found this site. I didn’t know where to throw myself, I felt so much shame at my conduct, my part in all this. I’ve cried so much, so much I don’t even bother wearing mascara these days. I feel like I am on a roller coaster; in a matter of minutes my emotions change. I go from feeling strong one minute to feeling crushed, alone and lost the next. I didn’t feel anyone could understand how I felt. Not just the way he played me, but the SHAME that I feel. I gave him everything, not material, but me, myself. I feel empty, emotionally depleted, sucked dry. What a friggin nightmare!
Yesterday, I saw my therapist. Maybe six months or so ago he started using the term sociopath and narcissist but I didn’t want to believe him. I googled the terms and thought, nah, no way, my therapist is out to lunch. I realize I was in denial and was very protective of him. But yesterday, when I walked in to his office, I fell apart and just told him, “OK. I need help. I can’t do this on my own.” I felt like it was the first time I heard him. I told him all about Love Fraud, and how you all confirmed what he has been telling me for a very long time. It really helps to know I am not the only one going through this.
Today, I saw my astrologist psychic. She has been telling me for 6yrs that this guy is on a very bad path, and that lies surround him. Again, I feel like I’ve heard her for the first time today. Wow, talk about living in the dark, blind as a bat I was. Total denial. My sisters, my children, my nieces…none of them are surprised, only me. Everyone saw him for what he was except me. BLOWS MY FREAKEN MIND!!!! Both my psychic and my therapist have said he’s not done with me, he’ll try his game again. I honestly don’t believe them; in my heart I feel he’s done. Last time I spoke to him I cursed him, called him on all his lies, layed into him real good. He has since taken me off his FB, although I blocked him first, and has not tried to contact me since January 3rd. I think he is scared that I will ruin the play he’s got going with her again. But hey, I’ve been wrong on all counts, so maybe he will try at some point but I don’t feel it.
Did I mention they have a son together, 6yrs old? He also has another son 12yrs old, with a woman he was screwing around with when we were together. I know he’s trying to bribe him away from his mother with promises of material things to avoid paying child support.
Part of me thinks, maybe he is trying to make a go of it with her. Maybe it will work out with them. For this woman’s sake and their child, I hope things work out for them. I hope God smiles upon them and finds a way to heal him. My therapist and astrologist said I was the lucky one; my eyes are finally open, I am on my way to healing. Her hell is just beginning.
If her stepdad decides to tell her and she calls me, I will tell her the truth, then send her here, to all of you.
Namaste and Thank you
Coeur_de_pirate, Hi ! I am glad you found this site!
A lot of great information here,
and very wonderful supportive people who
have really helped me more than I can say!
It’s tough coming out of the fog… but sounds like you’re
on your way. Hope you post more and read the articles,
I wouldn’t be surprised if he does try to contact you again…
you’ve got to be ready and strong to just have no contact with him!
Coeur ~ I can relate and feel your pain.
As with Roses, I was the OW, with promises of a life together. I can’t even tell you how many times in the 7 years I was with Spath, that I told him, “If you want to work on your marriage, I will step out of the picture until you completely DECIDE”. he would say, “Schnoodle, you will always be in the picture because it is you that I love even if you are not around’. There was a lot of back and forth over the 7 years. And even his exwife was in on the mind-effen games. It was horrendous. The last straw for me was that Spath and i were both finally divorced and we could be together without any interferences, and after a 2 week wonderful time together, he out of the blue said it was over. He had to be with the ex-wife. Of course, he said it like “I HAVE to be with her, not I WANT to be with her.” Dangling that damn carrot of hope for me. That is when I said NO MORE MIND GAMES! I am completely done with this BS! I cried so damn hard and was so broken inside that I thought I would never heal. But I have been NC for 4 months now. He has texted trying to reel me back using his words of “caring” BS. The last time he texted me, it said “101.7”, the radio station which was playing our song. Trying to pull on my heartstrings. I am on to him and so his little ploys NO LONGER work on me. I am at peace. It will come in time for you too.
A couple of good articles that helped me.
http://saferelationshipsmagazine.com/the-other-woman-now-hes-happy-with-her
http://saferelationshipsmagazine.com/he-seems-happy-now-will-i-ever-be-happy-too
The way we feel after the end of this psychotic relationship, leaves us with more questions than answers. I believe reading helps understanding. Knowledge creates power.
Read, read, read. And post when you feel alone.
We are all sailing on the same ship. Some are sailing firstclass (never married or had children with Spath) while others are in the hull (married/children with Spath). But WE ALL are on the same ship heading to the Island of Peace and Tranquility!!
Hey Snoodley doo!
You sound a lot more positive. He tried to contact you? Wow….
I’m closing in on three months fast. The longing seems to get WORSE as this milepost approaches. I don’t feel safe from myself and I”m guessing it will be a good six months of NC before I start losing the desire to contact or be with him, but so far staying strong and just hanging here when I get the urge.
So far, what was the hardest month even though you’re in month four?
RB
For a long time, the hardest month for me was the one I was in at the moment!
I’m three years of NC and clearly from the perspective of time, the worst months were the first, with a flare up now and then when something happening so made me want the dream of who I thought he was to be true again.
But now, I don’t wish for that at all. Had he been the man I thought he was, we would have been dear friends, nothing more, (no affair) and that friendship would have included our families.
Unmet emotional needs in my case let him do his dirty deeds. It was a vulnerability in me that I have since patched. But I never let him off the responsibility hook in my mind, not even for a second. I’ve met many, many men, and they did NOT exploit my vulnerability. My vulnerability was not a problem until the BAD MAN came along.
Just like hopping around with a broken leg in a cast can”work” and present relatively few problems until you are faced with a short staircase you are forced to mount. Then you discover that a compensation, like having crutches, can make a huge difference.
The bad man presented me with a HUGE staircase I had to climb, with no crutches to help me compensate for my weakness and I kept getting part way up, only to have him kick me down again. And up I would go again, in the most humiliating ways, crawling and crying like a baby while believing that what was at the top would be so wonderful for both of us, if only he’d stop kicking me down the stairs again, and that it was worth ANYTHING I had to do or sacrifice, including my self respect. And that it was my fault that he kept kicking me down the stairs.
Well now, I think I still may have a bit of a limp, but I can climb stairs just fine, but I wouldn’t take one step even on flat land to see him now, unless he was at the top of the stairs, and I could kick him down them. Just once.
But at the end, we have to realize, they are just like toddlers. Part of their brain never developed. See this article on toddlers:
http://www.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/02/21/toddlers.temper.tantrums.parenting/index.html?hpt=C2
really good post neveragain.
this line especially resonates: ‘Had he been the man I thought he was, we would have been dear friends, nothing more, (no affair) and that friendship would have included our families. ‘
denial is a huge hurdle for those spathed. HUGE. and ignorance – just not knowing what qualities and desires in ourselves that become vulnerabilities.
I hear all that blame the victim chatter, especially directed to people who have met their spaths online, but to all of us in general: ‘cons target weak, lonely..blah blah blah.’ Well, ALL people have vulnerabilities. I think almost anyone can be exploited – it’s a matter of meeting a spath or n at the wrong time.
If you are ever at the top of the stairs…push HARD.
Roses-
As I was dating him- I had some suspicions. I called a woman whose name his phone was under!
Poor thing-
he is 36– she 51, fragile and alone. Emotional probs. She said she had been monogomous with him the past two years.
This was after he had been involved with me.
Well– she ran to him (weak woman) and told him of my phone call and all that I said.
In wondering every darned day– why he so quickly discarded me–
I wonder if he knew– since I was onto him– that he would not be able to get away with shit with me.
I asked this woman — living in another state– if she had ever googled him and she said no!!!! I could not even believe it.
He tried to make me look weird b/c I googled him- but hey– I found out he is a literally criminal.
Do you think one reason he so quickly set me loose was b/c I was onto him so quickly?
He told me that two chics before me broke up with him after they googled him. Hey– the Attorney General of NY state had his house confiscated to pay back his victims of shoddy contractor work.
He said, “You girls pick the wrong guys alright. By leaving me– that proves it.”– as if us choosing to not be with him– is proof that we chose the wrong guy.
When will my mind stop asking questions?
When will I– still in NC– still secretly wish that my ringing phone is him?
I was very, very, very sad on Valentine’s Day. The day after Vday– he texted me– “How was your Valentine’s Day?”
Oh my God. Can anyone imagine how painful that was? No- I did not answer him.
He had to have known I was sad- as I thought we were an item until recently– so to not call me on Vday or anything and then text- how was it–
almost seems sadistic.
I have been on my couch for almost two days now. I am overeating– which is okay b/c I am now ten damned pounds underweight– but still– it is not good to eat half a box of girlscout cookies.
I feel this pain will never, ever go away and I was not even involved with him very long. It’s like he got into my soul. I feel poisoned, raped, floored, angry, scared as shit, hopeless.
So– the google stuff says he got his contractors license taken away in the state of NY– you guys–
he is now contacting people in other states!~ How can God allow this to happen?
babbling– sorry
Hey there Roses,
My story is so long and drawn out, it has even becoming boring for me. How’s that for healing!
The hardest for me was the first month. I missed our funny texts to each other. Our meeting up for lunches and laughing ourselves silly. He has pushed me away and pulled me back in so many times, that it was just getting plain exhausting. My heart was so broken this last time, that i really felt I was slowly dying. . . literally. I was a mere existence of the outgoing and fun person that I used to be. I missed “me”.
I didn’t tell you, but my father passed away from cancer last May and after 7 years with Spath, you think he would come to my side and hold me through my sorrows. But no, he said go see him on his death bed and you will feel better. PRICK!
Anyway, my new friend (now boyfriend) came to my side and took me over to say my goodbyes to my dad as he was taking his last breaths. I had only known my new friend for about a month and HE was there for me. That said it all to me about his integrity and true caring nature. Only two days later, Spath contacts me and says that his Dad passed away unexpectedly. He told me not to contact him becuz his exwife was going to be with him during this time. Then as I am becoming closer to my new friend a few months later, Spath contacts me with the whole “our dads passed away within two days of each other, that is fate my Angel”. “We are meant to be together”. So after his love bombing me again, i tell my new friend that I am going to try and work this out with Spath. It was only a ploy to get the new friend out of my life. Once the Spath had me back for two weeks of love bombing, he throws me to the curb.
Thats when I said ENOUGH! I had let go of a really terrific guy to go back to Spath. Spath didn’t realy want me and yet didn’t want me to be with anyone else. I called my friend that night and cried to the extreme to him for about 6 hours. I knew then that my new friend was there for me NO MATTER WHAT! NC with Spath was my decision at that point!
and so it goes….I have a wonderful, kind, caring, patient, loving man in my life and the Spath will NEVER be in my life again!
I have seen the other side of honest love and i like it. No love bombing, just honesty and true compliments. Compassion and understanding, trust…..all that encompasses a dear and loving relationship.
I don’t believe that this new guy is a rebound. I believe that he was my saving grace sent by God to heal me at a time when I was so utterly broken and he feels the same. He had been married for 25 years to a Spath and didn’t know it until he met me and we exhanged horror stories. So each day we heal a little more and grow closer as a couple.