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“How did he really feel?” and “What did he want from me?”

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January 26, 2007 //  by Liane Leedom, M.D.

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“How did he really feel?” and “What did he want from me?” are two questions that often haunt victims of sociopaths. The reason we are haunted by these questions varies but often stems from the habit of over-focusing on the sociopath instead of ourselves. That being said, victims also have a healthy ”˜need to know’ that can help with recovery and healing.

I struggled with these questions in my own healing. I remain baffled by my observations of enjoyment of affection on the part of sociopaths. Early on, I told my own therapist that I had come to the conclusion that sociopaths exploit those close to them to the point of death, then, cry at the funeral. At the moment the tears are shed, I believe they do represent a grief of sorts. The feelings of loss experienced by sociopaths are however, short lived. Victims also have to beware because, although sociopaths are said to be incapable of feelings for those in their lives, they do become obsessed with them. Psychologists have not yet explained this obsession. If they don’t attach, why are they obsessed? Those who have read my other entries know that I believe that sociopaths do attach. It is what they do with attachments that is disordered.

How did he really feel?

In response to the picture of a sociopath crying at his victim’s funeral, my therapist said, “He feels what he tells himself he feels.” To help you understand what my therapist meant, I will explain what is known about how people usually experience feelings.

There are two components to feelings. The first is a physical sensation. When we experience a feeling we feel something in our bodies in relationship to that feeling. Think about loving someone close to you and sense how your body feels. Is it warmth in your heart? That is usually what people report.

There is much evidence that these physical sensations are disordered in sociopaths. Sociopaths do not generally experience the physical and hormonal changes that go along with feeling emotion. If they do experience them, it is to a lesser degree. Physical responses are blunted.

The second component of feelings is called attribution. Attribution is a cognitive process. When I feel that warmth in my heart as I see my children, I attribute the sensation to my love for them. Thus the physical sensation alone does not make emotion. Emotion is physical sensations and our interpretations of these sensations. There is also evidence that the parts of the brain responsible for attribution do not function properly in sociopaths.

There is one emotion that many sociopaths experience in a not so disordered way. This emotion is anger. Sociopaths do have blunted physical responses to anger. Despite this blunted responsiveness, they seem aware of angry feelings and make correct attributions about what makes them angry. Again, science has not even addressed, much less explained this observation.

Since the physical sensations and attributions that allow for the experience of emotion are disordered in sociopaths, their inner world is very different. They are left to make sense of themselves and others without the tools most of us use. Other parts of the brain fill in the missing processes. The person who is credited with first describing sociopathy in depth is Hervey Cleckley. He proposed that sociopaths are at least of average if not above average verbal intelligence. This makes sense because they have to use their verbal intelligence to make up for their lack of emotions. They do indeed feel what they tell themselves they feel. Scientists say they mimic other people’s emotions, yet again there is no real proof of this.

What did he want from me?

This question is easy to answer intellectually, but very hard for victims to accept emotionally. There are three pleasures we get from our love relationships. The first is pleasure in affection. The second is sexual pleasure. The third is pleasure associated with dominance and control. Sociopaths experience sex and dominance as enormously more pleasurable than affection. Therefore, they are in relationships to get sex and power, pure and simple.

If you love deeply and feel affection for others, you cannot fathom the inner world of an emotionally disordered person whose primary pleasures are sex and power. To understand another’s world you have to imagine yourself experiencing what the other experiences. You can’t do this with a sociopath.

Louise Gallagher said in her post The six steps of healing from a psychopath that the first step is acceptance. We have to accept that we can only know in part how sociopaths really feel and what they want from us. We can understand intellectually, but never emotionally.

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skylar
14 years ago

Schnoodle, that is nice that you have someone to help you during this time and that you can help him too. Make sure you keep working on yourself-(as I can see you are)because that’s all we ever really have.

Roses,
I had a gay male friend too, Kevin, while I was with spath, and I thought he was kind and caring and an intellectual that I could talk about anything with. Turns out he was a spath. He was mirroring me! The spath had gotten to him and they were likely screwing each other. Kevin pretended to be straight but everyone knew he was gay because of his obvious gay mannerisms. He once told me that he was probably bi.

I didn’t know it at the time, but what he liked about our friendship was, being seen with me. He just liked going around with me on my shopping errands and having lunch. Being seen in my company was some kind of ego boost. I think he thought it made his facade more believable.
At one point he found a French girl who was his gf for a few months and then he dumped her or vice versa (not sure). I should have warned her that he was not exactly straight, but I thought it wasn’t my business and that they were happy together. Well, he soon “knew” what my spath was and he didn’t warn me either. I say “knew” in quotes because NOBODY really knew that my spath was an empty shell filled only with evil. He mirrored Kevin and Kevin believed that he was just a lying gay man using me for a facade – and that was ok, which is why he didn’t warn me.

The point to this little side vignette, is that I didn’t pay attention to the warning signs: KEVIN WAS A LIAR!

He lied about his sexuality to everyone. He was FALSE. That should have been a warning sign. Really the first sign of a spath is the lying.

schnoodle64
14 years ago

Ox ~

Agreed. what has changed in me is that my eyes are opened to people who can manipulate the kindness of another. Whether that person be me or my daughters. i can now spot a con man. Radar is up!

Skylar ~ Thank you. I look as each day without the Spath in my life as a day to be cherished and enjoyed! And i have someone who my girls adore and who I can be myself around. No eggshelss here! I read posts on LF and everyone is included in my prayers each night. For healing, peace, and strength.

lesson learned
14 years ago

Sky,

My gay men friends have been my friends a long time. They have exclusive partners or are single and happy to be that way. They do not lie to me, gaslight me, manipulate me. I do not have conversations with them that evolve into a WTF moment. Not even once. Disagreeing on issues WITH RESPECT, and being friends with CONSISTENCY, has always been what the friendships have been about. Sky, my radar is sky high right now. Hypervigilance level. They ALL know what a psychopath is (thank GOD) and can totally relate to my experiences because quite of few of them have had that experience too., and if they have not, they’re getting a crash course education from me that have evolved into a lot of AHA! moments for them. It’s great practice. These guys are caring, compassionate and CONSISTENT in being so. The entirety of how they live their lives and treat their partners SHOWS me that. I no longer focus on just one thing that might be “attractive” about a potential friendship or those that already exist. I focus on the WHOLE of it.

Schoodles! GOOD FOR YOU! I wouldn’t advocate for starting another relationship so soon out of a spathy one. Given the fallout, it’s probably not a good idea unless some healing happens first, BUT I do know that it is NOT impossible for situations like yours to happen and if YOU feel good about it and okay with it and are still ENCOURAGED to work through your stuff and not distract from it, then I think it’s WONDERFUL!

I think there are a few here who have gotten into healthy relationships pretty soon after spathdom. I think this is a very personal issue for everyone. Really only those people understand the dynamics.

I hope you continue to find peace and joy Schoodles!

RB

hens
14 years ago

\\I had a girl friend that always introduced me to her friends as “this is my gay friend hens’ i got tired of that – my sexuality does not define who i am…..

skylar
14 years ago

Hens,
that is so weird!
who would do that?
is she a spath? Any other red flags?

hens
14 years ago

oh yes she is a spath about 100 more red flags , she’s the one that kissed me like a gold fish in my pool after knowing i was gay for years and years

one/joy_step_at_a_time
14 years ago

sky – LOADS of people intro gay folk that way, like novelties in the front display case. people who do this usually haven’t examined their homophobia, or really thought about what they are doing. they are at the beginning o f the learning curve in terms of dismantling the false wall that separates str8t and gay folk socially.

there are layers and layers of this kind of behavior that need to be pealed back. a couple of my ‘unfavorites’ in the category of ‘methinks thou dost protest too much are’: ‘i am not homophobic, I have a gay friend(s)’ and ‘ not that there is anything wrong with being gay’.

i don’t even know people who talk like this anymore (as in i want people in my social circles who are way beyond that part of the curve). I can say waaaay back that I was one of them. (okay, it was only me and the dinosaurs having those discussions, but still…) I was like this when i was 20-21. 75 is waaay too long a learning curve!

lesson learned
14 years ago

Oh hens, I hope you weren’t offended with my post. I used the word “My gay men friends” to point out the differences for me in who was more trustworthy or safe as far as men and friends go right now. To those who know me and my friends, I don’t use those terms.

Apologies!

RB

lesson learned
14 years ago

Oh and Hens,

I have a gay son too. It would be beyond me to introduce him to anyone, “this is my gay son….” and a bisexual daughter and introduce her as “this is my bisexual daughter…..”

Just wouldn’t happen. Making those distinctions to others is unnecessary. I love them as they are, and I also respect their privacy. if they wish to reveal those things, that’s for THEM to make the distinctions. My son is more revealing about his sexual identity as he’s very proud of it and doesn’t care what others think. I don’t care what others think about his being gay, but more than once, such as at gay pride a couple of years ago, he was shouted down by an obnoxious, overly zealous Christian man who didn’t care for the “likes” of my son. I was ready to beat the shit out of this man. I worry about the obstacles my son will face in the world because of how homophobic many are, NOT that he is gay.

RB

Stargazer
14 years ago

I have friends who range the whole spectrum of sexual orientation. I know myself, I could probably go for a girl under the right circumstances, so I don’t understand why people make such a big deal about people’s sexual preferences, like it’s some sort of bar code plastered on their forehead. The only distinction I make about my gay male friends is that they are the only men in my age range who are groomed, in shape, attractive, and sane. In other words, men I would actually date. Oh, the irony! ha ha

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