“How did he really feel?” and “What did he want from me?” are two questions that often haunt victims of sociopaths. The reason we are haunted by these questions varies but often stems from the habit of over-focusing on the sociopath instead of ourselves. That being said, victims also have a healthy ”˜need to know’ that can help with recovery and healing.
I struggled with these questions in my own healing. I remain baffled by my observations of enjoyment of affection on the part of sociopaths. Early on, I told my own therapist that I had come to the conclusion that sociopaths exploit those close to them to the point of death, then, cry at the funeral. At the moment the tears are shed, I believe they do represent a grief of sorts. The feelings of loss experienced by sociopaths are however, short lived. Victims also have to beware because, although sociopaths are said to be incapable of feelings for those in their lives, they do become obsessed with them. Psychologists have not yet explained this obsession. If they don’t attach, why are they obsessed? Those who have read my other entries know that I believe that sociopaths do attach. It is what they do with attachments that is disordered.
How did he really feel?
In response to the picture of a sociopath crying at his victim’s funeral, my therapist said, “He feels what he tells himself he feels.” To help you understand what my therapist meant, I will explain what is known about how people usually experience feelings.
There are two components to feelings. The first is a physical sensation. When we experience a feeling we feel something in our bodies in relationship to that feeling. Think about loving someone close to you and sense how your body feels. Is it warmth in your heart? That is usually what people report.
There is much evidence that these physical sensations are disordered in sociopaths. Sociopaths do not generally experience the physical and hormonal changes that go along with feeling emotion. If they do experience them, it is to a lesser degree. Physical responses are blunted.
The second component of feelings is called attribution. Attribution is a cognitive process. When I feel that warmth in my heart as I see my children, I attribute the sensation to my love for them. Thus the physical sensation alone does not make emotion. Emotion is physical sensations and our interpretations of these sensations. There is also evidence that the parts of the brain responsible for attribution do not function properly in sociopaths.
There is one emotion that many sociopaths experience in a not so disordered way. This emotion is anger. Sociopaths do have blunted physical responses to anger. Despite this blunted responsiveness, they seem aware of angry feelings and make correct attributions about what makes them angry. Again, science has not even addressed, much less explained this observation.
Since the physical sensations and attributions that allow for the experience of emotion are disordered in sociopaths, their inner world is very different. They are left to make sense of themselves and others without the tools most of us use. Other parts of the brain fill in the missing processes. The person who is credited with first describing sociopathy in depth is Hervey Cleckley. He proposed that sociopaths are at least of average if not above average verbal intelligence. This makes sense because they have to use their verbal intelligence to make up for their lack of emotions. They do indeed feel what they tell themselves they feel. Scientists say they mimic other people’s emotions, yet again there is no real proof of this.
What did he want from me?
This question is easy to answer intellectually, but very hard for victims to accept emotionally. There are three pleasures we get from our love relationships. The first is pleasure in affection. The second is sexual pleasure. The third is pleasure associated with dominance and control. Sociopaths experience sex and dominance as enormously more pleasurable than affection. Therefore, they are in relationships to get sex and power, pure and simple.
If you love deeply and feel affection for others, you cannot fathom the inner world of an emotionally disordered person whose primary pleasures are sex and power. To understand another’s world you have to imagine yourself experiencing what the other experiences. You can’t do this with a sociopath.
Louise Gallagher said in her post The six steps of healing from a psychopath that the first step is acceptance. We have to accept that we can only know in part how sociopaths really feel and what they want from us. We can understand intellectually, but never emotionally.
Stargazer:
I dream about snakes. Not particularly afraid of them until I moved to swamp land. Rattlensnakes didn’t worry me. Now… copperheads and I understand watermoccasins are aggressive. I do NOT want to be chased by a poisonous snake!
I understand being attracted to women. I’ve had a feeling or two over the years and was interested… except for the sex thing.
NoLaRn2BCop
I worry about you. Did you line up a consult?
Oh, nolarn, if you lived here, I would teach you how to be sexy and flirt with men. It’s an art, and I used to practice it. I guess I’ve just stopped because I feel too silly flirting with guys who are gonna get distracted by the next young thing that walks in the room. Trust me when I say that your weight has nothing to do with it. But I think age does to a certain extent. I was feeling pretty confident walking into the gym today. But the events I witnessed before my eyes left me feeling deflated.
BTW, I work in a hospital with nurses, too. I never meet men at work.
One step, how do you feel about being 50? Are you going through the same thing?
Katy, I would also be afraid of venomous snakes if they were in my area. But for whatever reason, even when I go out looking for them, I never find snakes in the wild. My friends all tell me how they find snakes in their yards or out hiking. I’m so jealous. It never happens to me.
And as long as we’ve already crossed the TMI boundary, I can easily have sexual attractions toward women. It’s different than with men where I’m attracted on a whole different level.
Star, I am not attracted to men my age either!!!
I guess if I felt somewhat attracted to one… it would be
nice of me to get to know him! LOL
Hey chicas………
When I met my spath, I was 37. I’m a very, VERY beautiful woman. But then, I was absolutely fucking fantabulous,,, I see videos of me then and it’s all I can do not to burst into tears…when spath captured me, I was newly single and very beautiful….I had life and joy………and he stole it all from me…………
He’s older than me. Almost fifty now. But guess what? His new chica is a Kim Kardashian with a bank account………
I’m getting ready to join the gym. That’s one of the reasons i fear it, star, for just how you feel right now,….you to 2cop…
Many here are approacing fifty are fifty or over……
I’m 47 now. I feel I wasted all of my good looks on spaths, my entire life and well, it’s more than just a feeling because I DID do that……
I have great genetics. My mother died at 53 from lung cancer. She wasn’t the emaciated, skinny woman when she died. My mother was VERY beautiful and had a beautiful body until the day she died. well, I got that gift too. REcently, in a conversation with my doctor (I’ve known her for many years now so this wasn’t weird for me and we had a heart to heart about my health and my experiences with spath), she said to me, “Flower, you are a VERY beautiful woman! Women are ATTRACTED to you, not just because you are beautiful, but because you have a beautiful HEART too!”
Wow. I about fell over…………
Look, I’ve never seen any of you in my life. It’s sad that society puts so much emphasis on younger women. We ARE getting older. IN this way, I like to think of jamie Lee Curtis…she is AWESOME……….because she ages gracefully, Jane Fonda….just do it naturally……..
Ladies, what’s in your HEART AND MIND is so much more important than your body. So WHAT if some young guy is checking out the younger chicks. SO WHAT if even the older guys are checking out the younger chicks.
ONe of my men friends (sorry Hens, but he’s gay and i have to emphasize that now because he has no agenda in the heterosexual world), said to me recently, “flower, you are SO beautiful in your spirit….the important thing that you need to understand about GOOD men is that they aren’t going to CARE about how you look, they’re going to CARE about your heart…your intelligence…it’s dumbasses that want the younger set…but if I wasn’t gay, I’d date you in a heartbeat!”
UGH!
He’s older than me ladies.
Star, the younger set want me too. Eh. Not worth it. They bore me. Their levels of immaturity ……….BORING!!!! It’s actually amusing!!
You guys have beautiful hearts. And that’s what really counts and matters and let me tell ya what………..
I’ve got a friend of mine who is drop dead gorgeous. she has a man, her husband of many years, but she is absolutely GORGEOUS!!! Her daughter is friends with my son’s….and SHE is gorgeous too………
But it’s her HEART that is more…her energy and zest for life, her healthy attitude and her deep spirituality only EXEMPLIFY her outer beauty….
YOU guys are beautiful. So start actin like it 🙂
You all can sit in that sauna and be mere observers of those who are just that stooooooooooopid….
Okay, I’ll prolly get boinked by oxy’s skillet by saying this, but if ANY of you were available and I was a guy, I’d want to date you. EVEN OX!! If I was a guy, even twenty years younger, I’d want to date her……..
Cuz it’s not about how you look, it’s about your HEART
And a good man will see that.
THe better you feel about yourself, the more your light will shine to others.
The better you feel about you, not needing all of that outside bullshit, the MORE men will find you appealing and “want” you..and ya know what will be the biggest blessing for you? YOU WON”T GIVE A SHIT!! WOOT!!!
My daughters go to the grocery store with me and point out to me every single male that’s looking at me. I dont’ GIVE A SHIT about it.
It’s not about what’s on the outside. It’s about what’s on the INSIDE.
And you ALL are beautiful!!
So stop the pity party and celebrate yourselves!!
Flower
When I first moved away from home, I had a room mate. I loved her but not sexually. The girl across the hall had a major crush on her, constantly making comments, and my room mate would flirt back. One night that girl came home from clubbing, totally gorked out, and walked into our room and tried to get into bed with my room mate to make love to her. My room mate kept hissing at me, Katy! Wake up! Will you just get your ass over here and help me get her out of here”!
I pretended to be asleep except I was laughing so hard, my bed creaked. It was like out of a movie. “oh but I love you. let me show you…” (very slurred speech) I still laugh at the scene. You see… my room mate slept NUDE.
Oh, I know I’m a very VERY beautiful woman.
Jane Fonda?? She just had another face lift,
she announced it on David Letterman!
that woman has had so much plastic surgery…
I hate to be blunt here. If I get booted, well I get booted.
As far as sexuality……….I too have been attracted to women. But I just like the dick too much to make the crossover LOL!
There are lots of beautiful people in this world. It’s a person’s heart I’m attracted too.
But when it comes down to male/female, well………..if it can’t be live, it has to be Hitachi 🙂
HUGS
Star-That’s just how I feel. I feel like I have an invisible writing on my forehead that can only be seen by psychopaths that says psychopaths are welcome here and normal guys are not. I have never a normal relationship. I’m also the type of woman who would have flat out made a comment to the guys in the sauna when they started ignoring me for the younger girl-especially since if I considered the guys my friends. I can’t explain why I feel men don’t want me. I was sexually harrassed a ton in high school cuz I had a really hot body and was raped in college-maybe that has something to do with it. IDK.
All I do know is that I really can’t wait to get a new job right now. I am on suspension from work pending investigation for a bogus allegation. They have nothing on me so they are trying to jam me up by hitting me in the wallet. They are dragging out the “investigation”. It’s going on day 3 w/o pay. It’s my word against one lady’s lie. All they have to do is decide who they believe. I am giving them tomorrow and that’s it. If I am not told to return to work, or that I am fired, or some plan of resolution, I will be visiting the labor board as soon as possible. I made an addendum to my former police report for workpolice hostility and the police chief said to leave HR out of it and this is one of those times to skip over the chain of command-since the chain of command is who’s causing the problem. I want separation from the hospital asap on my own terms-not termination and I want pay for the days they wouldn’t let me work and I want any documentation of both bogus investigations removed from my HR record so it will not keep me from getting back on with the police department next year. They longer they drag this out, the more stupid THEY look.