“How did he really feel?” and “What did he want from me?” are two questions that often haunt victims of sociopaths. The reason we are haunted by these questions varies but often stems from the habit of over-focusing on the sociopath instead of ourselves. That being said, victims also have a healthy ”˜need to know’ that can help with recovery and healing.
I struggled with these questions in my own healing. I remain baffled by my observations of enjoyment of affection on the part of sociopaths. Early on, I told my own therapist that I had come to the conclusion that sociopaths exploit those close to them to the point of death, then, cry at the funeral. At the moment the tears are shed, I believe they do represent a grief of sorts. The feelings of loss experienced by sociopaths are however, short lived. Victims also have to beware because, although sociopaths are said to be incapable of feelings for those in their lives, they do become obsessed with them. Psychologists have not yet explained this obsession. If they don’t attach, why are they obsessed? Those who have read my other entries know that I believe that sociopaths do attach. It is what they do with attachments that is disordered.
How did he really feel?
In response to the picture of a sociopath crying at his victim’s funeral, my therapist said, “He feels what he tells himself he feels.” To help you understand what my therapist meant, I will explain what is known about how people usually experience feelings.
There are two components to feelings. The first is a physical sensation. When we experience a feeling we feel something in our bodies in relationship to that feeling. Think about loving someone close to you and sense how your body feels. Is it warmth in your heart? That is usually what people report.
There is much evidence that these physical sensations are disordered in sociopaths. Sociopaths do not generally experience the physical and hormonal changes that go along with feeling emotion. If they do experience them, it is to a lesser degree. Physical responses are blunted.
The second component of feelings is called attribution. Attribution is a cognitive process. When I feel that warmth in my heart as I see my children, I attribute the sensation to my love for them. Thus the physical sensation alone does not make emotion. Emotion is physical sensations and our interpretations of these sensations. There is also evidence that the parts of the brain responsible for attribution do not function properly in sociopaths.
There is one emotion that many sociopaths experience in a not so disordered way. This emotion is anger. Sociopaths do have blunted physical responses to anger. Despite this blunted responsiveness, they seem aware of angry feelings and make correct attributions about what makes them angry. Again, science has not even addressed, much less explained this observation.
Since the physical sensations and attributions that allow for the experience of emotion are disordered in sociopaths, their inner world is very different. They are left to make sense of themselves and others without the tools most of us use. Other parts of the brain fill in the missing processes. The person who is credited with first describing sociopathy in depth is Hervey Cleckley. He proposed that sociopaths are at least of average if not above average verbal intelligence. This makes sense because they have to use their verbal intelligence to make up for their lack of emotions. They do indeed feel what they tell themselves they feel. Scientists say they mimic other people’s emotions, yet again there is no real proof of this.
What did he want from me?
This question is easy to answer intellectually, but very hard for victims to accept emotionally. There are three pleasures we get from our love relationships. The first is pleasure in affection. The second is sexual pleasure. The third is pleasure associated with dominance and control. Sociopaths experience sex and dominance as enormously more pleasurable than affection. Therefore, they are in relationships to get sex and power, pure and simple.
If you love deeply and feel affection for others, you cannot fathom the inner world of an emotionally disordered person whose primary pleasures are sex and power. To understand another’s world you have to imagine yourself experiencing what the other experiences. You can’t do this with a sociopath.
Louise Gallagher said in her post The six steps of healing from a psychopath that the first step is acceptance. We have to accept that we can only know in part how sociopaths really feel and what they want from us. We can understand intellectually, but never emotionally.
I have come to a conclusion that I think we have to look at sociopathy in the exact same way as one has to pedophilia. The victim must be removed from the preditor’s grasp and kept away at all costs! If not the preditor will devour us and mentally destroy us forever. In both cases too, the scars are there. We must break the cycle!
style1:
i think we were all simply in too deep. too attached, too hopeful for the right outcomes, too under the spath-spell.
we projected on to them our own expectations of love. but nothing could ‘stick.’
seems that when i stopped trying to understand it intellectually … and believe me the questions have no end, still … is when a great ‘letting to’ occured.
we didn’t allow anything. we were trusting and loyal is all. and when the spath-shit hit the fan, the disbelief perhaps kept our jaws on the ground longer than it should have.
my trust is shredded right now. and that’s okay.
being alone has allowed me to undo my belief in the lies. he was a master; they all are.
but i’m not sure we really need to endlessly believe that we ‘allowed’ it all to happen. we allowed what we saw as ‘love’ to come in; and THEY twisted and turned it like a knife. when we finally realized it was just a knife, we all ran for the hills. to ‘allow’ it means never moving on.
maybe we need to not understand every little sick anomaly. maybe we’re now more intuitive than we think, and just don’t yet trust that, either.
i dunno.
So much good information on here. It really helped me reading it. It’s so late here I can’t go into my story, but I look forward to coming back and reading and posting. My best wishses to everyone.
BG:
Looking forward to your ‘arrival’ here at LF.
Get some rest…..we are here!
Welcome!
Lostingreif
I really liked your post. I think we do need to trust our intuition and from what I have read it seems some of us had a niggling feeling early on when we first got to know them but they are ‘masters’ at pandering to our fragile egos by making us feel so ‘special’ and tapping into our desires
i am still trying to recover from a sociopath, and i thought i had. i am now in a new relationship, but still find myself struggling from this mans abandonment. i feel like a horrible person because i love my new partner, but dont know why the sociopath still has a part of me.
blinded, as the esteemed writer Oxy would say, we are on a journey of healing, so once in a while you will hit a pot hole, or perhaps veer off the road a bit, but just embrace who you are, don’t beat yourself up over your struggles, they will pass, with each day they will pass a little bit more. Don’t feel like a horrible person, you went through so much, it sounds like you are doing very well!! A new partner to love, I think it’s wonderful. I guess a part of us wonders how we could be so hurt by someone but still long for them sometimes. Just let the feelings flow over you, and let them go. Just say “I release this feeling of anger” or I release this feeling of abandonment”. We have all gone through, or are currently going through (like me) exactly what’s happening to you. For me it all seems to calm down, I’m ok, then he slithers back for a sneaky “hello” I wasn’t expecting, which can set me back, but at least not back to square one. I know all this will pass, it will for me, and I know it will for you too!
What did SHE want From me?
Good question!
In 27 years I am sure it changed. When she first met me and learned I wanted her.. Obviously she wanted a houseboy to do everything she didn’t want to do…along with another person’s money. She goes through that S mood cycle like Grant went through Richmond. What ever she faked to me in the beginning.. love, friendship.. never lasted longer than a month or more before that Mrs Hyde persona took over. And then watch out! Everything came out of her like Linda Blair’s green pea soup in the Exorcist! Everything like laying next to her at night and whispering those passionate words” I HATE YOU!” literally behind my back while I slept. To verbally insulting me to my face. Then the “OUT” times where she wasn’t in my life. Back to the friendship stage, where I kept my distance from her but still longed to be with her.(WTF! WHY?) Then me saying something for her to cross that line again from friendship at a distance to I love you and “I wondered why we never got together” Bull crap. Then watching that cycle happen all over again. In 27 years that happened 3 different times.You would think I would know better! And I really wondered this last time.. If you really loved me at all..AT ALL… Why couldn’t she respect the boundaries of friendship and let it go at that? But NO! She had to lie to me that she was DYING soon. Knowing I would expose my feelings to her again..and then running with it again. That was when I realized that this entire relationship for 27 years was just a big GAME with her. That she couldn’t even respect me as a friend. She had to lie about something as moral as death to try to manipulate me all over again!
Thank God I did the homework and woke up to her FINALLY!
She never wanted me. She hated me all along. But she didn’t want anyone else to have me either.
This time she lost big time. This time she lost me for good. And my wife as a friend. And last but not least a mutual friend who has finally realized that she is a sociopath and like me is cutting off all ties to her.
It is about time!
Hello Renewedhope, Wow, your story hits home, the cycling part, only in my case it was 18 months and the cycling was much more frequent. I never did hear I hate you though. He NEVER would admit he didnt love me which is what I needed to hear so badly. It was untimatley up to ME to empower myself and just go into NC. While I still have questions the more I read and understand and realise these predators are out there and I am not alone in what I went through the stronger I become, more determined to never go through this again, to find and restore peace and happiness I once had without the P in my life.
Good luck to you, your name says loads about where you are in the letting go and moving on process!
Dear knowledgeempowers ;
Of Course they would never tell us the truth: That they don’t really want us! They would rather be in CONTROL and string us along like puppets! A good person with a heart would have told us the truth so that we could have moved on. But NOOO! They have to be keep playing us like a child with a bug..and we are the bug. They will tear off all our limbs before they stomp on us for good.The funny thing is.. I KNOW that as mean as she was to me..she could have been alot worse..alot of sociopaths are.. so at least I left with my dignity in tact when I told her that I was on to her and what she was and that I never wanted to see or hear from her ever again. I have had a few week moments but so far- thank God! I have been total NC now for 7 weeks now and counting!
I attribute that success mainly to this site and to you folks here who wave been there and done that! Thanks everyone! Love you for that! XO