“How did he really feel?” and “What did he want from me?” are two questions that often haunt victims of sociopaths. The reason we are haunted by these questions varies but often stems from the habit of over-focusing on the sociopath instead of ourselves. That being said, victims also have a healthy ”˜need to know’ that can help with recovery and healing.
I struggled with these questions in my own healing. I remain baffled by my observations of enjoyment of affection on the part of sociopaths. Early on, I told my own therapist that I had come to the conclusion that sociopaths exploit those close to them to the point of death, then, cry at the funeral. At the moment the tears are shed, I believe they do represent a grief of sorts. The feelings of loss experienced by sociopaths are however, short lived. Victims also have to beware because, although sociopaths are said to be incapable of feelings for those in their lives, they do become obsessed with them. Psychologists have not yet explained this obsession. If they don’t attach, why are they obsessed? Those who have read my other entries know that I believe that sociopaths do attach. It is what they do with attachments that is disordered.
How did he really feel?
In response to the picture of a sociopath crying at his victim’s funeral, my therapist said, “He feels what he tells himself he feels.” To help you understand what my therapist meant, I will explain what is known about how people usually experience feelings.
There are two components to feelings. The first is a physical sensation. When we experience a feeling we feel something in our bodies in relationship to that feeling. Think about loving someone close to you and sense how your body feels. Is it warmth in your heart? That is usually what people report.
There is much evidence that these physical sensations are disordered in sociopaths. Sociopaths do not generally experience the physical and hormonal changes that go along with feeling emotion. If they do experience them, it is to a lesser degree. Physical responses are blunted.
The second component of feelings is called attribution. Attribution is a cognitive process. When I feel that warmth in my heart as I see my children, I attribute the sensation to my love for them. Thus the physical sensation alone does not make emotion. Emotion is physical sensations and our interpretations of these sensations. There is also evidence that the parts of the brain responsible for attribution do not function properly in sociopaths.
There is one emotion that many sociopaths experience in a not so disordered way. This emotion is anger. Sociopaths do have blunted physical responses to anger. Despite this blunted responsiveness, they seem aware of angry feelings and make correct attributions about what makes them angry. Again, science has not even addressed, much less explained this observation.
Since the physical sensations and attributions that allow for the experience of emotion are disordered in sociopaths, their inner world is very different. They are left to make sense of themselves and others without the tools most of us use. Other parts of the brain fill in the missing processes. The person who is credited with first describing sociopathy in depth is Hervey Cleckley. He proposed that sociopaths are at least of average if not above average verbal intelligence. This makes sense because they have to use their verbal intelligence to make up for their lack of emotions. They do indeed feel what they tell themselves they feel. Scientists say they mimic other people’s emotions, yet again there is no real proof of this.
What did he want from me?
This question is easy to answer intellectually, but very hard for victims to accept emotionally. There are three pleasures we get from our love relationships. The first is pleasure in affection. The second is sexual pleasure. The third is pleasure associated with dominance and control. Sociopaths experience sex and dominance as enormously more pleasurable than affection. Therefore, they are in relationships to get sex and power, pure and simple.
If you love deeply and feel affection for others, you cannot fathom the inner world of an emotionally disordered person whose primary pleasures are sex and power. To understand another’s world you have to imagine yourself experiencing what the other experiences. You can’t do this with a sociopath.
Louise Gallagher said in her post The six steps of healing from a psychopath that the first step is acceptance. We have to accept that we can only know in part how sociopaths really feel and what they want from us. We can understand intellectually, but never emotionally.
Star-I think you’re right though about their lives probably arent’ half as interesting as yours. Have you ever seen the movie Something’s Gotta Give? It’s one of my favorites. Frances McDormand makes a speech in the movie because Jack Nicholson is dating Amanda Peet, daughter of Diane Keaton. The girl is young enough to be his daughter. She talks about men his age who only want the young women while pointing to Diane Keaton and saying that they leave out the gorgeous, intelligetnt, interesting, successful women their own age.
I just have a hard time believing how much substance these younger women have, compared to someone like you. It doesn’t make sense to me at all and I I totally understand how you feel but DO NOT let that stop you from going to the gym. You are just going to keep getting better and better and more and more interesting and successful.
who in the hell are you warm summer flowers? this must be Eva because you mentioned dick earlier. Yeah and I look sexy on my tractor too……..this conversation has been kinda pityful …shame on all of you…
Goodnite Hens-you were funny tonite. Keep those weiners warm!
Star, I know, you don’t usually sound like this.
Now I’m crying and laughing too because I just read hens’ post. I really need a hug right now. Fuck these asshole men that think I’m not good enough for them. Fuck them all! Shit, how will I ever make it into my 60’s and 70’s? I hope I can get past this. I just feel that everything I’m doing to be healthy (which is a good thing) has the hidden agenda of trying to preserve my youth. Youth eventually goes, no matter who you are. Sorry, but I think it’s bullshit that when I start accepting myself yada yada yada, men will all flock to me. They all flocked to me when I was younger and felt like shit about myself. I actually really like myself a lot these days. And I haven’t gotten laid in 6 months, unless you count that bizarre episode with the neighbor who wouldn’t even kiss or cuddle with me. And I had to leave the freakin country to get laid 6 months ago!
Shabbychic, there is a girl on the reptile forum named “PythonChic”. She is really into pythons but she didn’t know how to spell the word “Chick”. She is dumb as a doornail but young and gorgeous and every guy on the site wants to get with her. At least the “Chic” in your name means what it’s meant to mean. LOL
Flower, Did you ever read the book “The Five Love Languages?” Yours is definitely “words of encouragement”. You have a gift for this. I don’t know what you do for a living but you’d make a great counselor or life coach.
Star,
I just read your above post, actually a few above lol!
Sweetie………….it’s not about any of that. It’s about what you really think of yourself………
If it didn’t matter, would you put emphasis or even CARE what those men think of the younger women? It’s all apart of life I guess, another milestone a mid life crisis of sorts…….
You could have anyone, Star. But you’re not willing to settle for less.
And that’s a good thing. men that do that and think that way, are willing to settle for less on the idea that young women are where it’s at. That isn’t always truth.
I don’t think that’s the point though….
I’ve given a lot of thought to Ox and what she says..just being happy, WITHOUT a man, BUT WITH YOURSELF………A LOT of thought about that……..we are so influenced by our society and culture and it’s sad, because realistically, it’s very narcissistic……and I understand your pain. I feel it too….it’s one of my MAIN fears in joining the gym….but I also realize that it’s partly bad spath seed planted too……….
He tried to destroy what WAs beautiful of me. I have issues with the way I look, but I’m trying to change that………not for them, or him, but for me…………so when he said the nasty things he did about me…what was it, given my outer beauty that I missed while gazing into my mirror……..?
One of my good friends who has long since gotten over a relationshit with spath is married to a good man and happy said…”I want you to look in the mirror EVERYDAY and tell yourself that you are BEAUTIFUL! EVERYDAY!! And when you say it, MEAN IT……looking from the outside but also seeing the INSIDE!!! You attract how you FEEL about yourself whether you are beautiful on the outside or NOT”
I have to do that still…………in post it notes.
Hold your head up, Star.
And believe in yourself and your inner AND outer beauty.
Flower
Star,
When you really truly accept yourself? It doesn’t matter who “flocks to you or not”
You will flock to YOu and you won’t give a shit whose there or not for the crowning ceremonies!!
You’re fabulous!
Believe it!
Star-I really hope you stop crying soon. It’s just like Hens to be funny and make you laugh. He’s done that for me so many times!
Self love and self acceptance are great. Really. But it’s just an added treat when a beautiful man is attracted to you. When it happened to me in Costa Rica rather unexpectedly, it really changed my life. In fact the opportunities there with men were everywhere. Being back here for 6 months feels like being in the desert. I feel like I will dry up and disappear sometimes. I am a Libra, and we Libras really shine our personalities when there are men to flirt with us.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwww Star, Thankie!
Naw, just stuff from my heart. Yea, I read the five love languages. A trigger for me though, so we won’t go there lol!
2cop, yep, Hens is hysterical.
I consider him to be my personal Joan Rivers, but with three wieners that surround him on the red carpet as he questions all the celebrities about fashion………..oh wait……..
OH WOW, did i just SAY that………..
**sigh**