“How did he really feel?” and “What did he want from me?” are two questions that often haunt victims of sociopaths. The reason we are haunted by these questions varies but often stems from the habit of over-focusing on the sociopath instead of ourselves. That being said, victims also have a healthy ”˜need to know’ that can help with recovery and healing.
I struggled with these questions in my own healing. I remain baffled by my observations of enjoyment of affection on the part of sociopaths. Early on, I told my own therapist that I had come to the conclusion that sociopaths exploit those close to them to the point of death, then, cry at the funeral. At the moment the tears are shed, I believe they do represent a grief of sorts. The feelings of loss experienced by sociopaths are however, short lived. Victims also have to beware because, although sociopaths are said to be incapable of feelings for those in their lives, they do become obsessed with them. Psychologists have not yet explained this obsession. If they don’t attach, why are they obsessed? Those who have read my other entries know that I believe that sociopaths do attach. It is what they do with attachments that is disordered.
How did he really feel?
In response to the picture of a sociopath crying at his victim’s funeral, my therapist said, “He feels what he tells himself he feels.” To help you understand what my therapist meant, I will explain what is known about how people usually experience feelings.
There are two components to feelings. The first is a physical sensation. When we experience a feeling we feel something in our bodies in relationship to that feeling. Think about loving someone close to you and sense how your body feels. Is it warmth in your heart? That is usually what people report.
There is much evidence that these physical sensations are disordered in sociopaths. Sociopaths do not generally experience the physical and hormonal changes that go along with feeling emotion. If they do experience them, it is to a lesser degree. Physical responses are blunted.
The second component of feelings is called attribution. Attribution is a cognitive process. When I feel that warmth in my heart as I see my children, I attribute the sensation to my love for them. Thus the physical sensation alone does not make emotion. Emotion is physical sensations and our interpretations of these sensations. There is also evidence that the parts of the brain responsible for attribution do not function properly in sociopaths.
There is one emotion that many sociopaths experience in a not so disordered way. This emotion is anger. Sociopaths do have blunted physical responses to anger. Despite this blunted responsiveness, they seem aware of angry feelings and make correct attributions about what makes them angry. Again, science has not even addressed, much less explained this observation.
Since the physical sensations and attributions that allow for the experience of emotion are disordered in sociopaths, their inner world is very different. They are left to make sense of themselves and others without the tools most of us use. Other parts of the brain fill in the missing processes. The person who is credited with first describing sociopathy in depth is Hervey Cleckley. He proposed that sociopaths are at least of average if not above average verbal intelligence. This makes sense because they have to use their verbal intelligence to make up for their lack of emotions. They do indeed feel what they tell themselves they feel. Scientists say they mimic other people’s emotions, yet again there is no real proof of this.
What did he want from me?
This question is easy to answer intellectually, but very hard for victims to accept emotionally. There are three pleasures we get from our love relationships. The first is pleasure in affection. The second is sexual pleasure. The third is pleasure associated with dominance and control. Sociopaths experience sex and dominance as enormously more pleasurable than affection. Therefore, they are in relationships to get sex and power, pure and simple.
If you love deeply and feel affection for others, you cannot fathom the inner world of an emotionally disordered person whose primary pleasures are sex and power. To understand another’s world you have to imagine yourself experiencing what the other experiences. You can’t do this with a sociopath.
Louise Gallagher said in her post The six steps of healing from a psychopath that the first step is acceptance. We have to accept that we can only know in part how sociopaths really feel and what they want from us. We can understand intellectually, but never emotionally.
See, you guys are all about let’s just accept ourselves and the way things are here. So what if we never find a mate because there are more women than men in our age range, and they all want younger women? We will just learn to be happy alone in this pitiful culture. I say fuck this culture. I deserve to have the love of a man and everything that goes with it. I have earned it. If I have to go to freakin Bali or Belize to find him, I will! I know other women who do it. They are tired of being lonely and unwanted by the men in this society who really don’t know how to cherish their women. Dang, even when I meet a man here who likes me, he doesn’t even see the value in asking me on a date. They just want to “hang out”. What is wrong with the men here????
As you can see, I’m still ranting. I know it’s not me. It’s not because I don’t love myself enough. I am a fine enough person. It’s this culture. I don’t just “accept” the way things are here. I had a little taste of what I wanted when I was in CR. And I intend to have it again.
Star.
Back up, and BREATHE chica…
I think I should clarify my position. First I’ll ask you something:
If you are feel so much conviction in what you’re saying to be true for you, if it doesn’t come from a place of loneliness and just being flat tired of it (totally understandable!), why are you trying to convince of of your belief that you want/need a man to complete the circle?
You see………..I’m not trying to patronize you, Star. At all. I understand your desire. I have them too. I mention ox a lot and her philosophy on being content WITHOUT a man (although it would be nice to have one!), Because it’s something I visualize as being true. I think the ultimate “act” of love and care, is to be able to be so content and happy with your present circumstances WITH or WITHOUT a man and happy within that it doesn’t MATTER if you have one or not….what a GREAT goal for me personally! I’m actually envious of her because she can do that. I think that’s the ultimate in being able to love yourself completely.
You can live with YOURSELF and your SNAKE the rest of your life and that completes you, if that’s what is meant to be and be OKAY with that. it doesn’t override your desires at all..it just means self fulfillment, actualization without a partner is a yea, so what kinda thing, ya know?
Only You know what is best FOR YOU. I’ve never met you and don’t know you from squat Chica. But from all I get in your blogging here, you’re a pretty tremendous woman, with a lot to offer WITHOUT a man…..just in who you are….
Sometimes it’s easier to see from the outside looking in rather than vice versa………..
Star, I’d love it if I had a man who really loved me, wanted me.
But truthfully, I have to love and want MYSELF more…because I have to live with ME the rest of my life………..and comfortably, even if it means I’m ALONE….
I think it’s human nature to want to have someone in our lives, a partner to share it all with, a significant other, but to stay in reality, I have to face that what I want may never happen…he may never show up. That’s up to God now. It hurts like hell, but that pain allows me to find out more about ME….what makes ME happy………..and the goal of not to feel as if the only thing in life that would complete me is a partner.
IN other words, if it happens, YAY! But if it does not, it’s okay too.
I want to be in that place. I SEE what Ox is talking about.
It’s a goal.
I see loneliness in you. That makes it really dangerous in falling into the trap of another spath too.
Being okay with you, right where you’re at, I think, is the greatest gift you could give yourself.
Whether he shows up or not.
You’re okay without “him”.
That’s what I strive for.
but only you know what is right for you. Donna has a partner she loves a good marriage now. I know it’s possible, but I know that probably did not come without her feeling good about herself. Being okay just being alone…..
Even if it meant forever. doesn’t have to be. But if it DOES have to be, then that’s okay too.
That’s all chica.
Flower
Star, I think you’re on to something. I have not lived in another country, well, I take that back, I lived in Germany for 2 years, many years ago… but I wouldn’t say the culture is different there. If I went to Costa Rica, I might not come back. I agree with you, the men in this society don’t know how to cherish their woman. I guess I’ve had it with the men here, I don’t know anything else. What is wrong with the men here?? You’ve give me some new things to think about. Go after your dreams, I admire that quality in you!! You are fabulous and you do deserve a partner who loves you. I am struggling with the idea of being alone, I am ok alone… but… it’s not what I want. I think I have gone back to my old patterns of wondering “what’s wrong with me?” instead of “WHAT’S WRONG WITH THEM” so thanks for turning my thoughts around.
I don’t think you sound like you are coming from a place of loneliness, I think these desires are inborn in us as human beings, to love and to be loved.
:/
Shabby,
I don’t disagree with that at all. I feel that what I”m trying to say might be misunderstood………
I think we ALL deserve a great partner!
It’s just that I think that if you hang your hat on it and are trying to “find” it, it’s a dangerous place to be.
Why would you want/need a partner if you’re okay just being alone?
Being okay with just being with yourself.
I think if it happens, iit’s great! But in the event that it DOESN”T then what?
All you have to fall back on, ultimately, IS YOU.
That’s all I’m saying. The desire is real and I have that desire too, Shabby..
But it can’t be all about men. It has to be about ME.
And I have to be okay with ME even if Mr. Wonderful doesn’t come waltzing into my life.
That’s all.
It’s really a different vibe being in a Latin American country. They treat women so differently there. I met so many men there, and they are so friendly and respectful. And they look at you with that gleam in their eye that says they notice you are a woman. It was wonderful. It’s not even just about the men. It’s the people. These are people who meet you one time and are on hugging terms with you. It’s just different.
But anyway, I feel a lot better now that I had my rant. I went onto the dating site where I sometimes chat with men. Just to clarify, I have done dating sites for years and have NEVER met a sociopath on one. I’ve met only good men, just not very attractive or interesting to me. I’m not really a spath magnet; the one I met was on the reptile site, of all places! (They say meeting people who have the same hobbies as you is the way to go….go figure!)
I ended up chatting with a few who are in my age range who seem a little different. I think I just needed to get angry at the superficial guys at the gym. When you think about it, guys that practically live at the gym are bound to be a little superficial anyway.
I have a lunch date lined up and also I’m meeting up with another guy who wants to be my salsa partner for the class I’m taking. That one is only 34, but it’s only salsa, so I don’t care. The others are within a few years of my age. I just want to have fun and a new adventure. I never pin any kinds of hopes on these total strangers. I just enjoy the attention. Nothing wrong with that. It makes me feel attractive and yes, I do need that.
Flower Power, I know what you mean.
I was never ok with myself before, that’s why I let
toxic people stay in my life, I was needy and had no boundaries.
I’m struggling with the fact that Mr. Wonderful might never
come waltzing into my life. I’m ok being alone, I’m just not wildly happy about it!
It has helped that I like myself now and that I realize
other people’s problems are NOT my problem… and I don’t have to rescue them…
but… it would be nice to have a fabulous man here!! 😀
I’m not out looking for it, I guess I’m kind of old school…
the man has to approach me, but this time if I see red flags
I’m going to drop and roll (a term somebody here came up with!)
In fact, I’ll drop and roll as far away as I can!!!
So that’s the healthy part about it for me, personally.
Costa Rica sounds like an adventure I’d like to try…
but family here in CA tugs at my heart.
I stayed in bad bad relationshits MAINLY because I did not want to
end up alone. Well, I ended up alone anyway, all that effort
for nothing, and, yeah now, being alone ain’t that bad!
I do love not having all the drama and stress…
now I am able to go where I want, when I want,
for however long I want to be gone, without worrying about
what the jerk at home is doing.
I tend to agree with Shabby. I spent so many years trying to find IT…HIM, and ended up wasting a great portion of my life in miserable relationships.
I was pretty damned attractive, too. I had a fabulious figure, I knew hos to dress to compliment it. I had nice hair, and great eyes…I attracted sex addicts…shallow men who couldn’t love with any stability or depth….cheaters, liars, abusers, who only added to my already false belief that it was all about looks and sex. They stepped on my spirit.
I am a bit ambivalent about the whole aging and loss of youth thing, now. I recognize the change. Sometimes I feel invisable. It is sad, and it isn’t fair! It’s a loss of power, too. A loss of significance. But, then again, so?
I don’t want one. Nope. Done. I never want to experience that kind of rejection and lonliness again.
Even when I was just dating, it was no fun. I either wanted the guy and obssessed over him…or I didn’t and had to figure out how to let him down gently. It was always about finding that illusive thing called love.
It would be nice to be in a comfortable, companionate relationship. But, I don’t intend to sacrifice my peace of mind for it.
Well, at least I understand what it’s like to be a guy and to go through so much rejection when asking women out. I never dealt with much rejection in my 20’s and 30’s and even in my 40’s for the most part. Ironically I like myself MUCH more than I did when I was younger. But rejection is rejection. It still hurts. Growing old is not a graceful transition for me. It does involve some grieving for my youth. I envy those of you who don’t have any issues with it. Part of it is just dealing with the men here who don’t want to ask a woman out, and who feel an older woman owes them something for asking them out. I guess if I didn’t know any better, I’d just accept it and resign myself to being alone. But I know better because I’ve traveled. I know what it’s like in other parts of the world where men really cherish women. And for the most part, the women love men, too. They are not mistrustful of every man they meet. In my own inner utopian world, men and women love each other and get along. There is no war of the sexes like we seem to have here. Now that I’ve seen it, I cannot settle.
Please remember that I have been alone and independent for many years, and I have been okay with it. Now that I actually want to date, it’s a bit of a rude awakening. Dating shouldn’t be so hard. It’s a waste to have so many beautiful sensual women who have so much to offer, and no available men.
Dear Star,
I can relate to how you are feeling, and believe me, sugar, I WAS THERE. I also realize the statistics are such that there are NOT as many “available” men as there are women in the age range 40+ the NUMBERS are just not there.
Plus, if you look at the QUALITY of the “available” men you find that many if not most of the “available” ones are NOT STELLAR.
Plus, there is the cultural and social thing that in our society/culture men usually date (and have available) younger women, so a 60 yr old guy has available women from 40 up and is more likely to choose a 40 year old woman who is “still hot” than a 60 year old woman (his age) who is not quite so hot!
My late husband was 15 years older than me When we married I was 38 and he was 53. That wasn’t a “big problem” then, but now when I am 64 he would have been 79 (if he were alive) Hey, Hugh Hefner is 80+ and is “engaged” to some 23 year old hot chick! LOL Yea, it is love on her part I am sure! She just can’t get enough of his hot sexuality! LOL But you get the point!
I could run down to the local wino shelter and pick me out a guy and be married before tomorrow—if I wanted to set my sights low enough just for a “warm body” and a piece of paper. But I’m not willing to do that…I don’t just want someone who is alive, I want someone who is fairly healthy physically, has reasonable financial stability, no addictions, smart, funny, and likes some of the same things I do. Now that is going to be a lot harder to find a guy like that who is interested in me (age 64) when he can choose from the large number of single women from 40 up who have a lot less wrinkles and belly fat than I do. But, you know I have decided that if I never find this “soul mate” again, that’s okay, because I am becoming my OWN BEST FRIEND!
I grieved over “getting old” and passing out of my “sexy young thing” stage—even passing out of the “pretty hot middle aged woman” stage, but now I am solidly into the “Kathy Bates” stage of my life—I laughed last night when she was talking to The character “Malcom” on her new show last night, and she said “I’m 61, alone, old, fat and unemployed…” and I laughed out loud! I waved my hand in the air and said “kathy, that’s ME!!!” but you know what, I’m OKAY with that! I’m done with my grief over this stage in my life. It’s where I am and there’s not a damned thing I can do about it except accept it and make it the BEST STAGE OF MY LIFE. “Crones don’t whine” to use the name of a book that is really a great one! I’m done with whining —so look out, you’re gonna hear me ROAR!!!!!