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“How did he really feel?” and “What did he want from me?”

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January 26, 2007 //  by Liane Leedom, M.D.

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“How did he really feel?” and “What did he want from me?” are two questions that often haunt victims of sociopaths. The reason we are haunted by these questions varies but often stems from the habit of over-focusing on the sociopath instead of ourselves. That being said, victims also have a healthy ”˜need to know’ that can help with recovery and healing.

I struggled with these questions in my own healing. I remain baffled by my observations of enjoyment of affection on the part of sociopaths. Early on, I told my own therapist that I had come to the conclusion that sociopaths exploit those close to them to the point of death, then, cry at the funeral. At the moment the tears are shed, I believe they do represent a grief of sorts. The feelings of loss experienced by sociopaths are however, short lived. Victims also have to beware because, although sociopaths are said to be incapable of feelings for those in their lives, they do become obsessed with them. Psychologists have not yet explained this obsession. If they don’t attach, why are they obsessed? Those who have read my other entries know that I believe that sociopaths do attach. It is what they do with attachments that is disordered.

How did he really feel?

In response to the picture of a sociopath crying at his victim’s funeral, my therapist said, “He feels what he tells himself he feels.” To help you understand what my therapist meant, I will explain what is known about how people usually experience feelings.

There are two components to feelings. The first is a physical sensation. When we experience a feeling we feel something in our bodies in relationship to that feeling. Think about loving someone close to you and sense how your body feels. Is it warmth in your heart? That is usually what people report.

There is much evidence that these physical sensations are disordered in sociopaths. Sociopaths do not generally experience the physical and hormonal changes that go along with feeling emotion. If they do experience them, it is to a lesser degree. Physical responses are blunted.

The second component of feelings is called attribution. Attribution is a cognitive process. When I feel that warmth in my heart as I see my children, I attribute the sensation to my love for them. Thus the physical sensation alone does not make emotion. Emotion is physical sensations and our interpretations of these sensations. There is also evidence that the parts of the brain responsible for attribution do not function properly in sociopaths.

There is one emotion that many sociopaths experience in a not so disordered way. This emotion is anger. Sociopaths do have blunted physical responses to anger. Despite this blunted responsiveness, they seem aware of angry feelings and make correct attributions about what makes them angry. Again, science has not even addressed, much less explained this observation.

Since the physical sensations and attributions that allow for the experience of emotion are disordered in sociopaths, their inner world is very different. They are left to make sense of themselves and others without the tools most of us use. Other parts of the brain fill in the missing processes. The person who is credited with first describing sociopathy in depth is Hervey Cleckley. He proposed that sociopaths are at least of average if not above average verbal intelligence. This makes sense because they have to use their verbal intelligence to make up for their lack of emotions. They do indeed feel what they tell themselves they feel. Scientists say they mimic other people’s emotions, yet again there is no real proof of this.

What did he want from me?

This question is easy to answer intellectually, but very hard for victims to accept emotionally. There are three pleasures we get from our love relationships. The first is pleasure in affection. The second is sexual pleasure. The third is pleasure associated with dominance and control. Sociopaths experience sex and dominance as enormously more pleasurable than affection. Therefore, they are in relationships to get sex and power, pure and simple.

If you love deeply and feel affection for others, you cannot fathom the inner world of an emotionally disordered person whose primary pleasures are sex and power. To understand another’s world you have to imagine yourself experiencing what the other experiences. You can’t do this with a sociopath.

Louise Gallagher said in her post The six steps of healing from a psychopath that the first step is acceptance. We have to accept that we can only know in part how sociopaths really feel and what they want from us. We can understand intellectually, but never emotionally.

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skylar
14 years ago

Thanks LL,
BTW, I like lesson learned. it suits you best because it describes how you’ve grown. flowers come and go, but wisdom is forever.

I chose the name Skylar because it means “protection through knowledge”. I may have to change my legal name one day to follow suit.

The weird thing about learning about spaths, is that it turns into learning about US, which in turn, turns into learning about people in general.

Eva
14 years ago

LL, i’m afraid spaths are the same everywhere. A spath is something more serious than being misogynist, being just mysogynist something quite serious by itself.

In Spain, logically because of the language, though the whole Europe is full of them, has been much immigration from Latin American countries and I can corroborate they’re often malechovinistic. And what it is worse, vulgar, false, with an absolute lack of taste concerning women. Of course there are educated, polite and civilized ones, but many are able of telling a horrible woman she is the most precious they have seem in order to have a fuck. Skylar is right they objectify women, as a tendency, very much.

Ana
14 years ago

Hi Oxy,
What a coinsidence. My husband is 15 years older than me, and we got married when I was 38 and he was 53. We don’t have any children though. Now I’m 51 and he is 66! It’s seems normal to me, but when I tell new people I meet they say “wow” 🙂

skylar
14 years ago

YesitsMe
Ok, true. BUT when you are with a spath, that’s the ONLY way you should leave them. Otherwise they could kill you so you won’t go. Everytime I left my spath, that was how I did it. Actually even worse: I waited til he wasn’t home and packed all my crap and disappeared. He always tracked me down though because I didn’t plan well enough and went to stay at my parents’.

lesson learned
14 years ago

Eva,

Both my ex’s were “latin” and came from a culture where women were cheated on, objectified and served one main purpose: Motherhood and husband SLAVERY.

Not that motherhood is a bad thing, but for a spath motherhood aka submissive.

I guess I wasn’t “submissive” enough.

Just thinking about having a man at all, is overwhelming.

LL

Eva
14 years ago

LL, a spath is another world, another kind of animal.
Spaths are exploiters of every living creature.
Non psychopathic men are varied, some better, others worse, other a complete horror even being non psychopathic.

Latin American men are often quite male chovinistic, but german men are malechovinistic too, and swiss men too, and french ones, and the spanish ones, and italian men are very much. All men are more or less male chovinistic but that doesn’t imply they despise or exploit women. Latin American men are sort of culturally Spanish men 100 years ago (this is the only difference), but even so there are good ones too. As well as women, latin american women are or very male chovinistic themselves or very valid and fighter women.

Ox Drover
14 years ago

Thanks, OCCUPA–TION—-DUH!!!! thanks YesIt’sMe!

YesIt’sMe, I’m glad you are doing well and on track! You actually are starting to “sound sane!” LOL That’s always a good sign! LOL

I’m going to Boink you though if you don’t quit checking up on him on line! NC means NO contact and that includes even “back door” contact!

How is your therapy going? You really do sound good and I’m glad to hear that!

The article you posted is how psychopaths “leave their lover” because no one who wasn’t one would DEVASTATE anyone like that. If a victim “escapes” suddenly (good sense) the P isn’t “hurt” MAD MAYBE, HURT, NO!

lesson learned
14 years ago

Eva,

Yea, I’m still trying to grasp the concept of spath right now on every level.

LL

YesIt'sMe
14 years ago

That was my take on it, too, Oxy—-that it does require some degree of sociopathy to devastate someone by leaving them like that. From my own experience, I think that only a sociopath could disguise any feelings of unhappiness & so be able to blindside someone that way. Especially in my case! How could a *real human being* be that totally successfully deceptive for FOUR YEARS! Yes, yes, yes, I know: I deserve a boink for checking up on him online. And (I’m ducking!!) posting a nasty anonymous comment to him. 😉

Sky,
escaping as a victim of a SP aside, the article said, “the cruelest way you can tell your spouse you want out of the marriage is to NEVER MENTION YOU’RE UNHAPPY and then, one day Quite OUT OF THE BLUE say, “I’m not happy. I want a divorce.” It talked about relationships where one or both had expressed unhappiness & had talked about separating.
I don’t know, of course, but I’m guessing that when you up & bolted from your SP, it had been more than obvious that there were problems in the relationship.

I understand exactly what you’re saying about that up-&-disappearing being the only way to leave a psychopath. I did the same thing both times I left my psychotic husband. I knew it was the only way I could do it without a lot of violence—-not just yelling at each other, but VIOLENCE. I knew I wouldn’t have been ALLOWED to leave, had he been there. The first time, when they were on the road for a few days, I packed everything in a 2 1/2 story condo into a 22′ UHaul in 7 hrs, & was GONE. I didn’t cover my tracks very well that time either—probly subconsciously because I did still love him very much & wasn’t “through” with the marriage yet. The 2nd time he wanted to stay & fish & get drunk with his brother over the wk-end when I had to go to a family reunion, so I was able to pack up & leave before he came back. That time I WAS THROUGH, & never went back or allowed him to find me.

ElizabethBennett
14 years ago

I just want to announce to everyone in the lovefraud world today that : I GOT FIRED THIS AFTERNOON!!!!!!!

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