“How did he really feel?” and “What did he want from me?” are two questions that often haunt victims of sociopaths. The reason we are haunted by these questions varies but often stems from the habit of over-focusing on the sociopath instead of ourselves. That being said, victims also have a healthy ”˜need to know’ that can help with recovery and healing.
I struggled with these questions in my own healing. I remain baffled by my observations of enjoyment of affection on the part of sociopaths. Early on, I told my own therapist that I had come to the conclusion that sociopaths exploit those close to them to the point of death, then, cry at the funeral. At the moment the tears are shed, I believe they do represent a grief of sorts. The feelings of loss experienced by sociopaths are however, short lived. Victims also have to beware because, although sociopaths are said to be incapable of feelings for those in their lives, they do become obsessed with them. Psychologists have not yet explained this obsession. If they don’t attach, why are they obsessed? Those who have read my other entries know that I believe that sociopaths do attach. It is what they do with attachments that is disordered.
How did he really feel?
In response to the picture of a sociopath crying at his victim’s funeral, my therapist said, “He feels what he tells himself he feels.” To help you understand what my therapist meant, I will explain what is known about how people usually experience feelings.
There are two components to feelings. The first is a physical sensation. When we experience a feeling we feel something in our bodies in relationship to that feeling. Think about loving someone close to you and sense how your body feels. Is it warmth in your heart? That is usually what people report.
There is much evidence that these physical sensations are disordered in sociopaths. Sociopaths do not generally experience the physical and hormonal changes that go along with feeling emotion. If they do experience them, it is to a lesser degree. Physical responses are blunted.
The second component of feelings is called attribution. Attribution is a cognitive process. When I feel that warmth in my heart as I see my children, I attribute the sensation to my love for them. Thus the physical sensation alone does not make emotion. Emotion is physical sensations and our interpretations of these sensations. There is also evidence that the parts of the brain responsible for attribution do not function properly in sociopaths.
There is one emotion that many sociopaths experience in a not so disordered way. This emotion is anger. Sociopaths do have blunted physical responses to anger. Despite this blunted responsiveness, they seem aware of angry feelings and make correct attributions about what makes them angry. Again, science has not even addressed, much less explained this observation.
Since the physical sensations and attributions that allow for the experience of emotion are disordered in sociopaths, their inner world is very different. They are left to make sense of themselves and others without the tools most of us use. Other parts of the brain fill in the missing processes. The person who is credited with first describing sociopathy in depth is Hervey Cleckley. He proposed that sociopaths are at least of average if not above average verbal intelligence. This makes sense because they have to use their verbal intelligence to make up for their lack of emotions. They do indeed feel what they tell themselves they feel. Scientists say they mimic other people’s emotions, yet again there is no real proof of this.
What did he want from me?
This question is easy to answer intellectually, but very hard for victims to accept emotionally. There are three pleasures we get from our love relationships. The first is pleasure in affection. The second is sexual pleasure. The third is pleasure associated with dominance and control. Sociopaths experience sex and dominance as enormously more pleasurable than affection. Therefore, they are in relationships to get sex and power, pure and simple.
If you love deeply and feel affection for others, you cannot fathom the inner world of an emotionally disordered person whose primary pleasures are sex and power. To understand another’s world you have to imagine yourself experiencing what the other experiences. You can’t do this with a sociopath.
Louise Gallagher said in her post The six steps of healing from a psychopath that the first step is acceptance. We have to accept that we can only know in part how sociopaths really feel and what they want from us. We can understand intellectually, but never emotionally.
2cop
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT????????????????
Dear Nolarn,
Well, SURPRISE!!!! SURPRISE!!!! We knew that was coming didn’t we? How are you doing? Keep in touch! You are not out of options by a long shot! (((hugs))))
Dear Cop2b so sorry that sucks big time…
2bcop–
I am sorry.
LL-I miss ya’–
anybody–
has anyone been on Effexor or Wellbrutrin? Side effects? I had been okay on Effexor– but now I am depressed. Situational? Depression triggered by the S? Ughhhh.
2 cop, I must have missed some of your posts. UGH! I’m sorry this is happening! I AM surprised and well, that’s probably because I missed some posts!
Akita, Miss ya too. Maybe the dose needs to be increased? Talk to your doc, Chica.
LL
Hey everyone!
Oxy, I agree, the numbers are just not there in our age groups (men outnumber women). And as a result men feel they can sit back and let women chase them. They don’t even feel the need to ask a woman on a date any more. They just want to “hang out”. That is HERE. It’s not like that in other parts of the world where men will fall at your feet, no matter how old you are, overweight, or whatever.
There is a book called “Romance on the Road” that talks about how older single women in the western culture take up travelling to meet men for romance, friendship, and even just sex. The statistics of the number of lonely older women in our country without mates is staggering and saddening. No one should have to be forced to be alone by lack of opportunity. There are so many people on this planet! There are countries where men greatly outnumber women. Many of these men would fall at the feet of someone like me. Wouldn’t that be nice?
I have a few friends who are in their 60’s and 70’s. They have had so many difficulties with men that they are just resigned to being alone, and they are happy with themselves. They have their grandchildren and their pets and their hobbies. That’s fine for them. That is their choice. It is NOT my choice. I feel that with dating, if I don’t take the matter into my own hands, I will not get what I most want out of life (God knows I’ve done everything else there is to do, if you’ve read my posts). I believe that all the ways to meet men that used to work no longer work. Taking classes, going to events, etc., meetup groups, hobbies, blah blah. I do all those things. But mostly there are a ton of women there looking to meet men.
Dating sites are usually stacked in a woman’s favor statistically (if you can avoid the married men and con artists). But the problem I’ve found is that men are so jaded, they don’t want to ask a woman on a simple date until they have some sort of assurance that she’s really into them (i.e., that they will get laid). How can I give them that assurance if we’ve never met? They don’t want to keep spending a lot of money on dating and having it go nowhere. They become convinced that we women are only looking for a free meal. They don’t understand that a woman needs a man to take charge and ask her on a date. This builds attraction for a woman. When a guy approaches me with this jaded mentality, I lose interest immediately. So I rarely ever meet men on the dating site that I like, even though some of them are probably very nice. Attraction is a funny thing.
So no, sitting around and just “accepting” the situation is not really for me.
Thanks, Shabbychic, for validating my feelings. Wanna go with me on my next trip, chica?
I do understand what you are saying, Warm Flowers. I never lose sight of the constant work I need to do on myself to build my self-esteem and make sure there are no inner barriers to loving someone (I know there still are). I have an energy work session planned for next month with someone who’s very good. Personal growth is and must always be at the heart of my life.
Oxy-yeah, big GIANT SURPRISE HUH? I’m OK. I’m a little shell shocked. Several people refused to believe me when I told them. They jammed me up for failure to follow protocol/procedure with moderate sedation. I basically had been giving the drug the way I had been taught for years by ICU nurses with way more experience who were doing it wrong. It’s one of those things that yeah, it’s against the rules, but critical care nurses have been doing it for eternity. My friend started screaming saying that they need to fire every nurse in your area, as well as all the ICUs, cuz they all do it. I just got jammed cuz they wanted me gone anyway-what do you expect from a group of spaths and narcs. My friend works for the neuro doc and he says he can’t STAND the nurse who jammed me up. He thinks she’s a snake, he doesn’t trust her at all and doesn’t want her anywhere near his cases. At least, I never have to be around the evil people ever again. When they fired me, they told me that I couldn’t work in any other hospitals in the company. I had already put in apps at two other HCA places 2 hours away so I was bummed. Ironically, while I was being terminated, the nurse recruiter from one of those hospitals left me a message telling me that she really wanted to see me for an interview for an ICU position.
((((((((((((((( Star )))))))))))))))))))
I think you’re pretty tremendous 🙂
LL
2cop?
GOOD things will come out of this!! Not EVERYONE believes a spath.
Go to the interview. Get the job.
You’re good at what you do. You have heart and you’re intelligent. Do it.
You can DO IT and show those bastards up! there are some nurses that can be a spathy as some of the docs I’ve seen and known…
So sad given that patient care should be first and utmost and not position. UGH, makes me so MAD!!
LL
Dear Nolarn,
Well, sheeeeet, sorry about that! Yea, if they want you “gone” there are always ways they can get you in our profession. I don’t think you will have too much trouble finding another job though, but maybe you might want to think of something less stressful than where you’ve been working! That’s the GREATEST thing about our profession is that you can literally change jobs and do something ENTIRELY different and still work under the same license.
This may turn out to be a great opportunity for you! I remember when my job at the college was made into a part time job and I needed insurance it turned out to be a BLESSING in disguise for me though at the time I was heart broken. So, just turn this big old lemon into lemonaid! (((hugs)