“How did he really feel?” and “What did he want from me?” are two questions that often haunt victims of sociopaths. The reason we are haunted by these questions varies but often stems from the habit of over-focusing on the sociopath instead of ourselves. That being said, victims also have a healthy ”˜need to know’ that can help with recovery and healing.
I struggled with these questions in my own healing. I remain baffled by my observations of enjoyment of affection on the part of sociopaths. Early on, I told my own therapist that I had come to the conclusion that sociopaths exploit those close to them to the point of death, then, cry at the funeral. At the moment the tears are shed, I believe they do represent a grief of sorts. The feelings of loss experienced by sociopaths are however, short lived. Victims also have to beware because, although sociopaths are said to be incapable of feelings for those in their lives, they do become obsessed with them. Psychologists have not yet explained this obsession. If they don’t attach, why are they obsessed? Those who have read my other entries know that I believe that sociopaths do attach. It is what they do with attachments that is disordered.
How did he really feel?
In response to the picture of a sociopath crying at his victim’s funeral, my therapist said, “He feels what he tells himself he feels.” To help you understand what my therapist meant, I will explain what is known about how people usually experience feelings.
There are two components to feelings. The first is a physical sensation. When we experience a feeling we feel something in our bodies in relationship to that feeling. Think about loving someone close to you and sense how your body feels. Is it warmth in your heart? That is usually what people report.
There is much evidence that these physical sensations are disordered in sociopaths. Sociopaths do not generally experience the physical and hormonal changes that go along with feeling emotion. If they do experience them, it is to a lesser degree. Physical responses are blunted.
The second component of feelings is called attribution. Attribution is a cognitive process. When I feel that warmth in my heart as I see my children, I attribute the sensation to my love for them. Thus the physical sensation alone does not make emotion. Emotion is physical sensations and our interpretations of these sensations. There is also evidence that the parts of the brain responsible for attribution do not function properly in sociopaths.
There is one emotion that many sociopaths experience in a not so disordered way. This emotion is anger. Sociopaths do have blunted physical responses to anger. Despite this blunted responsiveness, they seem aware of angry feelings and make correct attributions about what makes them angry. Again, science has not even addressed, much less explained this observation.
Since the physical sensations and attributions that allow for the experience of emotion are disordered in sociopaths, their inner world is very different. They are left to make sense of themselves and others without the tools most of us use. Other parts of the brain fill in the missing processes. The person who is credited with first describing sociopathy in depth is Hervey Cleckley. He proposed that sociopaths are at least of average if not above average verbal intelligence. This makes sense because they have to use their verbal intelligence to make up for their lack of emotions. They do indeed feel what they tell themselves they feel. Scientists say they mimic other people’s emotions, yet again there is no real proof of this.
What did he want from me?
This question is easy to answer intellectually, but very hard for victims to accept emotionally. There are three pleasures we get from our love relationships. The first is pleasure in affection. The second is sexual pleasure. The third is pleasure associated with dominance and control. Sociopaths experience sex and dominance as enormously more pleasurable than affection. Therefore, they are in relationships to get sex and power, pure and simple.
If you love deeply and feel affection for others, you cannot fathom the inner world of an emotionally disordered person whose primary pleasures are sex and power. To understand another’s world you have to imagine yourself experiencing what the other experiences. You can’t do this with a sociopath.
Louise Gallagher said in her post The six steps of healing from a psychopath that the first step is acceptance. We have to accept that we can only know in part how sociopaths really feel and what they want from us. We can understand intellectually, but never emotionally.
WooHoo! 7 weeks! So proud of you Renewedhope! Way to go! I know its a long hard road, but in the end our rewards, of a life without the P and all the crap, malice, and degredation that goes along with the relationship will be so worth the journey through the unknown and dealing with the emotional after effects.
Yes, this site is so helpful. I did read the bug analogy, bot the spider one and the one about play with it then flick it away, I have my own version of that, play with it, prod it, torture it, then flick it away when the P is done with it : )
renewedhope – just want you to know i am out here and listening. i like your model of treating sociopaths as we do pedophiles. makes complete sense. and i think it will take the time for people ot understand about spaths as it has taken for people to understand the prevalence and effects of pedophiles.
keep going into week 8; may you be blessed with a lifetime of freedom.
So..so..NICE to be heard! Thank You all! 🙂
Id like to address something I have come to realize in my journey, particularly due to all the awesome people on LF…
In regards to the idea of us ‘allowing’ this to happen-
What I have learned is that by believing I was “IN” a relationship, I did the things normal people do while “IN” a relationship. I was skeptical at first, before knowing him, then as he showed me more and more of (a pretend) him, I trusted more and more, putting down my guard a little more and more, and becoming more and more vulnerable. In this process, he kept my confidences up in him with his ability to tap into ‘how he was’ at the beginning, and not unlike a drug that you chase the high of, I too ‘chased’ the image I had of him…relating to the beginning of our ‘relationship’.
I did not ALLOW him to use, manipulate, lie or cheat on me. I DIDNT KNOW IT WAS HAPPENING…and, in spite of feeling something was wrong, I was ‘hooked’ by the drug of MY choice…that he fed me bits and pieces of routinely…the IMAGE of ‘who he was’ at the beginning.
This is what seems to be so disheartening to me. My ‘blinders’ weren’t on totally, as I knew something was off, however, the spaths being MASTERS at hypnotizing and convincing others of the reality THEY want us to see ALLOWS THEM to continue with their game. It’s not us…
If they did present themselves initially as they actually ‘turn out to be’ (which, is in essence WHO THEY REALLY ARE), they would have NO chance with anyone. In order for them to engage in the “game’, they HAVE TO (and I mean this very strongly) pretend to be something diametrically opposite of what they really are…asswipes.
What this means is that when we do KNOW what is going on, then the action takes place. Their game is over…now, at THAT point, when we find out the truth, if we continue with them, THEN we ALLOW it to happen…but for many of us here, the minute we found out/realized what was happening, we were (and are moving) out the door!
To ‘allow’ insinuates we were ‘knowing’ of something but didnt DO anything about it. Really, how many of us KNEW what was going on? I sure the hell didnt…because Im NORMAL and compassionate and healthy, and trusting…and thats ok
Well said robxsykobabe. I also had some subconscious doubts about him before ever entering into a reltionship with him. That is why I didnt pursue anything with him, while he had been a great fun friend at the time I didnt see him as a perspective partner.
I should have stuck with that and been more alert to my internal radar. But once he professed a broken heart because I was pursuing a relationship with someone else and I felt his feelings were true I opened my heart to him and eventually fell for him.
What a mistake that turned out to be.
Wish I would have gone with my own gut instincts, however dull they are, they are always right!
Robxsykobabe –
I agree with almost everything in your post.
Except for me…i really must admit…at the point he stopped presenting himself initially as he did…at the times I caught him in a lie…at the times he stole the money…once the jig was up…I was aware…I wasnt hypnotized or convinced…I was in denial…I was in a fantasy…I made excuses…had falsehope (he didnt mean it, it was just a bad choice, he will make good on it, he will pay back the money, he will never lie again..he wont cheat anymore…) for me I wasnt and didnt move out the door… so that is what I mean when i refer to the fact I allowed this to continue to happen by not making better choices at the very first lie, the very first infidelity, the very first emotional abuse. I was absolutely knowing of something and didnt DO anything about it…. my reasons were confusion, embarassment, feeling love for him, wanting it to get bettter, having compassion, and being trusting…. its all ok…but I was not my healthiest when i was knee deep in it with him – i didnt have the tools to SAY NO MORE..TO WALK OUT THE DOOR…TO NOT TAKE HIM BACK….but I was aware (not initially cuz his mask was on) — just in a fog — just inexperienced — just never before in such a place with a bad person.
Now if a S/P were to enter my life….I could easily never “allow” any of it to continue to happen once the very first lie, cheat, steal happens. Because I have the tools and the self-awarness now of what to do and what not to do. I can deal with the reality of what an S/P chooses to do to me – and I can walk away immediately. I couldnt do that before.
They so cleverly make things your fault. The first lie, the first infidelity, all put back on me. Too much pressure, I heard that one alot. But it wasnt pressure, it was the desire for him to show me that who he claimed to be he really was, and the frustration that went along with that.
What he claimed was pressure was me wanting him to follow through on promises and plans we had made. They came from his mouth, why wouldnt I expect him to follow through on them?
and yet, i stayed, over and over an over, i stayed for that hope, that dream he presented that he created in my mind and heart, the dream and promises he never intended to follow through wtih, until at last i saw the light and realised they were all empty words and I could take NO MORE HURT!
Tired of the frustration, the doubt, the worry, the guilt, the accusations against me for his own choices and behavior. I HAD ENOUGH!
During my relationship with the P my blood pressure was way up, I had always had low blood pressure my entire life and only during this relationship was it up. To the point the doc wanted to put me on high blood pressure meds. Within a week of NC (and my final decision I was DONE!) I had my blood pressure checked and low and behold what do you know, back to low!!
Its amazing how the stress of these relationships effects us not only mentally, and emotionally but also physically.
Once I was so upset with him I even slammed my fist on the desk out of anger, frustration and hurt. Injured myself but good with this, had a huge bruise and could barely move my hand for days.
Enough was enough!
I am taking my life back! Finding some happiness and joy once again, something I have been lacking for oh so long!
He can rot in hell and will I am sure for all the hurt he has caused to loads of women. He will NEVER hve a good functional relationship, ever, and you know what? I DONT CARE! I cant help him, I tried, once i realised he was messed up, i thought my love could help him, but there is NO HELP for these ppl. I can only help myself!
He talked always about how miserable his life really was, and in some ways I do believe that was a truth. I have contemplated often if they realise they can not and never will feel love (afterall, that is the best feeling a person can feel) and because of this it makes them even worse?
Sorry all, I still have residual anger about this, I am working through it and working on getting to a better place within myself.
knowledgeempowers and learnthelesson
Knowledge:
No need to apologize….you are right where you need to be. Sometimes, at least for me, it was difficult to hear other peoples responses because to me they seemed so much further along than I was. Then they would post something about having a melt down and it made me realize the rollercoaster we ALL are on…and its ok. Some days Im strong and others, well, if you read some of my posts, youll see Im crumbling….Its been 14 weeks NC and it DOES get easier…not fast…but it happnes.
Learnthelesson:
Ahhhh…the old falsehope. Yes. They show what their ‘potential’ is at the beginning and creat the FOG. That hope carries us through some pretty shitty ass times and in the meantime, their seams are slowly busting. We, though, are hoping so badly that what they are showing us has a ‘reason’ behind it as it CANT be what it is in front of us!
Nice response…you added insight to my rant…and now Ill think about that one too!