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“How did he really feel?” and “What did he want from me?”

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January 26, 2007 //  by Liane Leedom, M.D.

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“How did he really feel?” and “What did he want from me?” are two questions that often haunt victims of sociopaths. The reason we are haunted by these questions varies but often stems from the habit of over-focusing on the sociopath instead of ourselves. That being said, victims also have a healthy ”˜need to know’ that can help with recovery and healing.

I struggled with these questions in my own healing. I remain baffled by my observations of enjoyment of affection on the part of sociopaths. Early on, I told my own therapist that I had come to the conclusion that sociopaths exploit those close to them to the point of death, then, cry at the funeral. At the moment the tears are shed, I believe they do represent a grief of sorts. The feelings of loss experienced by sociopaths are however, short lived. Victims also have to beware because, although sociopaths are said to be incapable of feelings for those in their lives, they do become obsessed with them. Psychologists have not yet explained this obsession. If they don’t attach, why are they obsessed? Those who have read my other entries know that I believe that sociopaths do attach. It is what they do with attachments that is disordered.

How did he really feel?

In response to the picture of a sociopath crying at his victim’s funeral, my therapist said, “He feels what he tells himself he feels.” To help you understand what my therapist meant, I will explain what is known about how people usually experience feelings.

There are two components to feelings. The first is a physical sensation. When we experience a feeling we feel something in our bodies in relationship to that feeling. Think about loving someone close to you and sense how your body feels. Is it warmth in your heart? That is usually what people report.

There is much evidence that these physical sensations are disordered in sociopaths. Sociopaths do not generally experience the physical and hormonal changes that go along with feeling emotion. If they do experience them, it is to a lesser degree. Physical responses are blunted.

The second component of feelings is called attribution. Attribution is a cognitive process. When I feel that warmth in my heart as I see my children, I attribute the sensation to my love for them. Thus the physical sensation alone does not make emotion. Emotion is physical sensations and our interpretations of these sensations. There is also evidence that the parts of the brain responsible for attribution do not function properly in sociopaths.

There is one emotion that many sociopaths experience in a not so disordered way. This emotion is anger. Sociopaths do have blunted physical responses to anger. Despite this blunted responsiveness, they seem aware of angry feelings and make correct attributions about what makes them angry. Again, science has not even addressed, much less explained this observation.

Since the physical sensations and attributions that allow for the experience of emotion are disordered in sociopaths, their inner world is very different. They are left to make sense of themselves and others without the tools most of us use. Other parts of the brain fill in the missing processes. The person who is credited with first describing sociopathy in depth is Hervey Cleckley. He proposed that sociopaths are at least of average if not above average verbal intelligence. This makes sense because they have to use their verbal intelligence to make up for their lack of emotions. They do indeed feel what they tell themselves they feel. Scientists say they mimic other people’s emotions, yet again there is no real proof of this.

What did he want from me?

This question is easy to answer intellectually, but very hard for victims to accept emotionally. There are three pleasures we get from our love relationships. The first is pleasure in affection. The second is sexual pleasure. The third is pleasure associated with dominance and control. Sociopaths experience sex and dominance as enormously more pleasurable than affection. Therefore, they are in relationships to get sex and power, pure and simple.

If you love deeply and feel affection for others, you cannot fathom the inner world of an emotionally disordered person whose primary pleasures are sex and power. To understand another’s world you have to imagine yourself experiencing what the other experiences. You can’t do this with a sociopath.

Louise Gallagher said in her post The six steps of healing from a psychopath that the first step is acceptance. We have to accept that we can only know in part how sociopaths really feel and what they want from us. We can understand intellectually, but never emotionally.

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Stargazer
14 years ago

Nolarn,

It sucks getting fired. I don’t know if there is anything more humiliating career-wise. But I think it’s a blessing in disguise. Not all hospitals are dysfunctional like that. I work part-time for a prestigious Children’s Hospital. I support the Emergency Department. The staff are wonderful. The Clinical Director is kind and compassionate (and one of my best friends). The retention rate is very high. Places like that DO exist in your field. But maybe this is one step closer to your dream of joining the police force anyway.

Hugs,
Star

hens
14 years ago

My first real job was at Taco Bell – I hated it and wanted them to fire me, when they did I was devastated. Gettin fired is traumatic..I am still mad a Taco Hell and that was 40 years ago….

Stargazer
14 years ago

LL,
To what do I owe your kind compliment? Did something I said resonate? 🙂 I just assume I alienate everyone with my ranting. LOL Now a whole group of y’all will be wanting to move to Costa Rica….

BTW, Did you have a different username before?

ElizabethBennett
14 years ago

Thanks ya’ll. No more Cath Lab for me no matter what. When I think of no longer having to wear that heavy lead suit anymore, I’m about to do the happy dance. No more forced overtime. No more gettin called out in the middle of the night. I have been wantin 3 12 hour shifts in the ICU and that’s all. The good thing about that is when the bitch mcsnipe nurses start actin crazy, you can hide in in your rooms with your patients and give them some extra TLC and stay out the fray. If I could get dayshift it would be that much better. I’m just now really focused on gettin back to havin workout times too with a better schedule to get my happy ass back in the police academy next year. Goin to apply for unemployment in the morning and find the labor board so I can file complaints on these douchebags who jammed me up.

super chic
14 years ago

2bcop, I am sorry to hear what happened!!!!!
You are going to be just fine!! You have the opportunity
to get the job of your dream (law enforcement) and that
is fabulous! You are a very talented young lady and I
know you are going to get a better job while gearing up
for the police academy!!!! Keep thinking positive! xoxoxo

ElizabethBennett
14 years ago

Shabbychic-thanks so much-I’m workin on a plan of action and hopefully to start workin out again soon too, since my foot’s gettin better.

KatyDid
14 years ago

NoLaRn2BCop
Am so sorry to hear your news. Was so concerned b/c I know the game, to dog you until you made an error b/c NOBODY is perfect 100% of time, ESP a job that REQUIRES judgement calls. Remember you have friends here.
SUCKS SUCKS SUCKS SUCKS SUCKS SUCKS SUCKS SUCKS
Did you see my post why we Cath lab techs wore the most bizarre socks? We’d flash them to each other, as code for “efem if they can’t take a joke”, referring to the game players.

lesson learned
14 years ago

2cop!!!

GOOD FOR YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAY!!!!!

Go for your DREAMS!!

YOU can DO IT!!! **throwin confetti**!!!!

skylar
14 years ago

2bcop
those mofos are spaths for sure. They were scared because you were about to unmask them. There isn’t anyone at that hospital who hasn’t made a mistake and every doc is covered by insurance just for that reason. So why fire you?
It’s spathological.
There is one reason to talk to a lawyer: they never give up.

They are like sharks who get even more excited when they smell blood. Really, I said this before 2bcop, if you don’t go on the offensive the spaths take that as an INVITATION to finish you off. I know you don’t “care a rat’s ass about them” but they care more than that about you. The spaths cannot resist blood in the water. An injured victim is just such easy prey. My spath-bro and sis did this to me and put me in jail when I left the spath. They saw the drama. They knew I was injured. They envied the help I got from my parents. Before that, I was the one that kept them and my parents afloat. I came running EVERY time they needed help. Money or brainpower and even brawn from this little weakling, I provided it. But when I was down they salivated. ALL spaths do this. EXPECT IT. Jump two steps ahead. Ask yourself, “what would a spath do?”

Ox Drover
14 years ago

Nolarn,

While I understand Skylar’s attitude about this and probably yours as well…keep in mind, they can RAMP THIS ONE UP with the board of nursing. I know a nurse who got a PERMANENT FLAG ON HER LICENSE for giving 2 units of insulin without having it checked by another licensed person because the house supervisor had refused to respond and the patient’s breakfast had been sitting there for 20 minutes and the patient was SCREAMING at the nurse and she went ahead and gave TWO UNITS—now that RN is unable to find a job at all, though her license was restored, it has the FLAG on it that is there forever. Frankly I am not sure she will EVER find another licensed RN job.

The REASON her boss went to the nursing board with this petty “drug error” was because she had pithed them off in another area and they used that as an excuse to fire her and when she FOUGHT BACK they went to the board and filed a complaint. The board went back through her entire career and found every med error that had ever been put in her personnel file, everything you could scrape up and put them all together and made a BIG CASE out of the 2 (two) units of insulin. Sure, my nurse friend should NOT have done it, but she did because she was in a situation where you are damned if you do, and damned if you don’t….which is what hospital nursing is all about much of the time.

Being a licensed medical professional of any kind calls for JUDGMENT calls and DECISIONS and knowing every policy in the book and following every one of them even under widely changing situations and not ever making a mistake or a bad judgment call even if your own life is falling apart by the numbers!

So, while I think you have a legitimate case for them mobbing you and the gossip, the rumor and so on, also realize that THEY WILL (1) lie (2) mob up on you (3) find every DIRTY TRICK they can to make you look bad and (4) go for the jugular vein, your LICENSE if they can. So while it may choke you to swallow your price and go quietly into the “night”—it might be better than having them take your license away too. I URGE CAUTION, NOT REVENGE AT THIS TIME.

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