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“How did he really feel?” and “What did he want from me?”

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January 26, 2007 //  by Liane Leedom, M.D.

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“How did he really feel?” and “What did he want from me?” are two questions that often haunt victims of sociopaths. The reason we are haunted by these questions varies but often stems from the habit of over-focusing on the sociopath instead of ourselves. That being said, victims also have a healthy ”˜need to know’ that can help with recovery and healing.

I struggled with these questions in my own healing. I remain baffled by my observations of enjoyment of affection on the part of sociopaths. Early on, I told my own therapist that I had come to the conclusion that sociopaths exploit those close to them to the point of death, then, cry at the funeral. At the moment the tears are shed, I believe they do represent a grief of sorts. The feelings of loss experienced by sociopaths are however, short lived. Victims also have to beware because, although sociopaths are said to be incapable of feelings for those in their lives, they do become obsessed with them. Psychologists have not yet explained this obsession. If they don’t attach, why are they obsessed? Those who have read my other entries know that I believe that sociopaths do attach. It is what they do with attachments that is disordered.

How did he really feel?

In response to the picture of a sociopath crying at his victim’s funeral, my therapist said, “He feels what he tells himself he feels.” To help you understand what my therapist meant, I will explain what is known about how people usually experience feelings.

There are two components to feelings. The first is a physical sensation. When we experience a feeling we feel something in our bodies in relationship to that feeling. Think about loving someone close to you and sense how your body feels. Is it warmth in your heart? That is usually what people report.

There is much evidence that these physical sensations are disordered in sociopaths. Sociopaths do not generally experience the physical and hormonal changes that go along with feeling emotion. If they do experience them, it is to a lesser degree. Physical responses are blunted.

The second component of feelings is called attribution. Attribution is a cognitive process. When I feel that warmth in my heart as I see my children, I attribute the sensation to my love for them. Thus the physical sensation alone does not make emotion. Emotion is physical sensations and our interpretations of these sensations. There is also evidence that the parts of the brain responsible for attribution do not function properly in sociopaths.

There is one emotion that many sociopaths experience in a not so disordered way. This emotion is anger. Sociopaths do have blunted physical responses to anger. Despite this blunted responsiveness, they seem aware of angry feelings and make correct attributions about what makes them angry. Again, science has not even addressed, much less explained this observation.

Since the physical sensations and attributions that allow for the experience of emotion are disordered in sociopaths, their inner world is very different. They are left to make sense of themselves and others without the tools most of us use. Other parts of the brain fill in the missing processes. The person who is credited with first describing sociopathy in depth is Hervey Cleckley. He proposed that sociopaths are at least of average if not above average verbal intelligence. This makes sense because they have to use their verbal intelligence to make up for their lack of emotions. They do indeed feel what they tell themselves they feel. Scientists say they mimic other people’s emotions, yet again there is no real proof of this.

What did he want from me?

This question is easy to answer intellectually, but very hard for victims to accept emotionally. There are three pleasures we get from our love relationships. The first is pleasure in affection. The second is sexual pleasure. The third is pleasure associated with dominance and control. Sociopaths experience sex and dominance as enormously more pleasurable than affection. Therefore, they are in relationships to get sex and power, pure and simple.

If you love deeply and feel affection for others, you cannot fathom the inner world of an emotionally disordered person whose primary pleasures are sex and power. To understand another’s world you have to imagine yourself experiencing what the other experiences. You can’t do this with a sociopath.

Louise Gallagher said in her post The six steps of healing from a psychopath that the first step is acceptance. We have to accept that we can only know in part how sociopaths really feel and what they want from us. We can understand intellectually, but never emotionally.

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Ox Drover
14 years ago

Dear Hope4,

I know it must be hard for you to see Junior swept up in the drama with the jerk—but letting go of that malignant hope is one of the first things we have to do for our own self preservation. You couldn’t help your son by staying with the jerk, and it was becoming very difficult for your daughter so either way you went your kids were going to be traumatized in one way or another.

I can remember back to the days when I had kids at home and sometimes when you do something for one kid that is positive it is negative for the other one….but in this case, you did what I think you had the best chance of helping the entire situation and that was to get that jerk out of the house. You will soon be by yourself in any case, your kids will be out on their own before you know it, and at least you made the best of a bad situation.

I hope you can get junior into some therapy and that it will help, but that is out of your hands if it does or it doesn’t…you did the best that you could do and that’s all a jack ass can do, so I think, for what it is worth, you “dun good, girlfriend” as good as you could under the circumstances. You didn’t make any “rash decisions” so that is at least some comfort too. You thought long and hard about your decision. I’m proud of you!!!!

petite
14 years ago

HI Hope4,
you asked Oxy if your ex is a Spath as you thought heis a narcissist.
there is a huge overlap and lots of common traits between a Spath and a narcissist.
as Oxy said and even Stev Becekr writes in his articles, finally it does not matter S or N, they are TOXIC and we need to stay away from them. if not, then if not today but tomorrow they will finally torment us to incalculable grief.
my jerk, we are both surgeons, he was told by his therpaist he is high on N triats and he still has a lot of triats of a Sapth too in terms of total absence of guilt, regret, remorse, shame.
so the PDs do overlap.
petite

Coeur_de_pirate
14 years ago

I HATE HIM!!!!! I hope everything that can go bad for him, does. I hope he never knows a moment of happiness from now until he dies. I hope he gets f?%$?&ed over the way he did me. I bloody hate him, I despise him, I want him out of my head!!

skylar
14 years ago

Coeur,
take a deep breath, talk about it.

He is a miserable scum and has always been miserable. He will never know joy because he is incapable of it. Pity him if you can, but don’t have any contact with him because that kind of misery is contagious, as you have found out.

Claudia
14 years ago

Sky, That’s very good advice, even though I can relate to the raw negative emotions! I read your other, very thoughtful post about how you developed a more complete intuition about psychopaths and other sick individuals. You explained that you used to have empathy for them (and didn’t want to manipulate them the way they do others because you prefer people to be themselves). You also said that you were used to the “smell” of dysfunctional people because you had been surrounded by them, so they didn’t “smell” strange to you. Sky, I think you’re developing not just a healthy intuition about bad people, but also an understanding of why you couldn’t “see” them before and a healthy preference for normal people, who will make you a lot happier. I really enjoy reading your thought process evolve and seeing your empathy towards others in action.

skylar
14 years ago

Claudia,
Wow, thank you. you’re the second person who has told me that in the last 5 minutes – I just got an email from a friend and she said, “Wow, very interesting stuff. I love watching you process”

It’s been a crazy day in my head as I try to make sense out of these abstract sensations (don’t know what else to call them) that appeared so suddenly out of the blue.

To clarify though, I don’t think I said that I used to have empathy for P’s, did I? My feelings for P’s waffle between disgust and sadness for the waste of life that they are. I thank God every day that I didn’t become them. With my parents it could have been so easy. If I had been cuter or healthier as a child, I think I might have become one. As a reject child, I escaped the early onset narcissism which my P-sis and P-bro learned, by being charming.

Claudia
14 years ago

Sky, maybe you meant that you have empathy for people in general and had no desire ever to be manipulative, like the psychopaths you encountered in life. I’m just so amazed that you’re the person you are, after 25 years of living with a psychopath, plus the dysfunctional family members you mention. I hope you’re right about your radar for disordered people being far more accurate now, because you deserve to be surrounded only by very caring people, as you are. In sharing your life story, you’ve warmed my heart and I’ll never see the women who “choose” to stay with psychopaths the same way again.

lesson learned
14 years ago

Sky,

I have to agree with Claudia. Perhaps our backgrounds and what we have been sharing back and forth so thoughtfully, is why I feel so connected to your thought process. It’s as if I can see you growing…watching it in action! It’s a beautiful thing, Sky, because I’ve only been here a short time and you’re just shooting up like the brightest star!

I’m so proud of you and HAPPY for you! You encourage me so much and in so many ways, Sky.

I’m just amazed. I feel a great deal of warmth from your posts as well. There are a few here who have had some horrendous backgrounds and I wonder how they’re even able to sit at a computer today! It’s a testimony to the human will to survive and a deep spiritual hope that the spaths could not contain.

It’s a beautiful thing to see.

LL

onelukygurl
14 years ago

Hi everyone:

Just doing a little ‘checking in’ on my sanity here…
We had been going to couples counseling and had our last session together two weeks ago last Thursday. We scheduled another session for that Thursday. After breaking up, I called the therapist to see him. He suggested I wait until Thursday as we have an apt time scheduled (for couples, mind you, but LOGIC would say WE would not be attending couples because WE are not a couple anymore, right?).

This was fine. I show up for my individual session and am told that my ex called to ‘confirm’ OUR appointment as he was ‘planning’ on making it. He was told he shouldnt come by the therapist, as I had called and would be there myself and it would be uncomfortable for me to have him there. WHAT THE FUCK!!!

The therapist said my ex ‘sounded surprised I told him not to come” although the therapist said he would call my ex back to schedule an apt with him. WHAT THE HELL!

Did my ex REALLY think we were gonna have a COUPLES session…we broke up!

Any ideas?

Ox Drover
14 years ago

Dear R-babe, they will do anything to get back with you, but also they do NOT GET IT THAT YOU DO NOT WANT COUPLES THERAPY WITH HIM ANY MORE….they really do NOT get it that this is not some “tif” that can just be ignored and forgotten like it never happened. THE DO ***NOT**** get it.

I suggest that you find another counselor and start over unless that counselor is agreeable to see ONLY you now.

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