“How did he really feel?” and “What did he want from me?” are two questions that often haunt victims of sociopaths. The reason we are haunted by these questions varies but often stems from the habit of over-focusing on the sociopath instead of ourselves. That being said, victims also have a healthy ”˜need to know’ that can help with recovery and healing.
I struggled with these questions in my own healing. I remain baffled by my observations of enjoyment of affection on the part of sociopaths. Early on, I told my own therapist that I had come to the conclusion that sociopaths exploit those close to them to the point of death, then, cry at the funeral. At the moment the tears are shed, I believe they do represent a grief of sorts. The feelings of loss experienced by sociopaths are however, short lived. Victims also have to beware because, although sociopaths are said to be incapable of feelings for those in their lives, they do become obsessed with them. Psychologists have not yet explained this obsession. If they don’t attach, why are they obsessed? Those who have read my other entries know that I believe that sociopaths do attach. It is what they do with attachments that is disordered.
How did he really feel?
In response to the picture of a sociopath crying at his victim’s funeral, my therapist said, “He feels what he tells himself he feels.” To help you understand what my therapist meant, I will explain what is known about how people usually experience feelings.
There are two components to feelings. The first is a physical sensation. When we experience a feeling we feel something in our bodies in relationship to that feeling. Think about loving someone close to you and sense how your body feels. Is it warmth in your heart? That is usually what people report.
There is much evidence that these physical sensations are disordered in sociopaths. Sociopaths do not generally experience the physical and hormonal changes that go along with feeling emotion. If they do experience them, it is to a lesser degree. Physical responses are blunted.
The second component of feelings is called attribution. Attribution is a cognitive process. When I feel that warmth in my heart as I see my children, I attribute the sensation to my love for them. Thus the physical sensation alone does not make emotion. Emotion is physical sensations and our interpretations of these sensations. There is also evidence that the parts of the brain responsible for attribution do not function properly in sociopaths.
There is one emotion that many sociopaths experience in a not so disordered way. This emotion is anger. Sociopaths do have blunted physical responses to anger. Despite this blunted responsiveness, they seem aware of angry feelings and make correct attributions about what makes them angry. Again, science has not even addressed, much less explained this observation.
Since the physical sensations and attributions that allow for the experience of emotion are disordered in sociopaths, their inner world is very different. They are left to make sense of themselves and others without the tools most of us use. Other parts of the brain fill in the missing processes. The person who is credited with first describing sociopathy in depth is Hervey Cleckley. He proposed that sociopaths are at least of average if not above average verbal intelligence. This makes sense because they have to use their verbal intelligence to make up for their lack of emotions. They do indeed feel what they tell themselves they feel. Scientists say they mimic other people’s emotions, yet again there is no real proof of this.
What did he want from me?
This question is easy to answer intellectually, but very hard for victims to accept emotionally. There are three pleasures we get from our love relationships. The first is pleasure in affection. The second is sexual pleasure. The third is pleasure associated with dominance and control. Sociopaths experience sex and dominance as enormously more pleasurable than affection. Therefore, they are in relationships to get sex and power, pure and simple.
If you love deeply and feel affection for others, you cannot fathom the inner world of an emotionally disordered person whose primary pleasures are sex and power. To understand another’s world you have to imagine yourself experiencing what the other experiences. You can’t do this with a sociopath.
Louise Gallagher said in her post The six steps of healing from a psychopath that the first step is acceptance. We have to accept that we can only know in part how sociopaths really feel and what they want from us. We can understand intellectually, but never emotionally.
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Denial,
Candy’s post was right on. read it over and over until it sinks in.
They are ALL THE SAME. He wants sex with you because he knows that is how they keep us bonded with oxytocin. My spath called it “maintainance”. He will do anything to maintain control of you.
You need distance and space in order to recover from your addiction. Yes it is an addiction to your own hormones which he has manipulated using trauma bonding techniques.
The technique involves creating pain in your life and then soothing the pain. He creates security and then takes it away. He becomes the source of all that is good and all that is bad. That makes him God and you, dependant.
These are common techniques used against prisoners and cult members. It is a form of brainwashing and it’s why you feel that way. You need to be away and stay away from him. ONLY IN THIS WAY, CAN YOU REGAIN YOUR POWER AGAIN.
Read as many books as you can to get a complete understanding of what narcissists do. Make it sink into your brain. Replace emotion with logic and knowledge. You can do it.
denialmomma ”“ Don’t be too hard on yourself.
They are master con/scam artists. They move VERY quick. That’s the ’love bomb’. Mine told me he loved me the first day! WTF
He was sussing you out. You were a meal ticket.
3 days/months/years ”“ it makes no difference. You’ve been SPATHED.
You lost the business because of HIM. He wanted you to fail so that he had control.
They usually operate just beneath the legal radar.
They often ’wind up’ other partners to say nasty things. All ex’s are portrayed as ’nutters’. Was she lieing or did you not want to hear the truth?
They will have sex with anything that has a pulse ”“ in their eyes the more the better!
If his ex is texting him ”“ LET HER. Whilst he’s playing with her LET HIM. It keeps him out of your hair. Don’t go down the route of telling her husband because it will all end in tears and you could be right in the middle ”“ not a good place to be.
They lie and lie and lie ”“ sometimes for no reason at all. And if found out they will lie again. I found child porn on my pute. He promised faithfully ’it was not him’ LIAR. There was only me and him on my computer. Big lies, little lies BUT all lies.
BLOCK HIM on all phones. Maybe get a restraining order BUT remember if you have him back ONCE just once the order is invalid and it will cost you £1000 to get one through a solicitor. So think carefully. And remember he is trying to CONTROL you (and your mum/sis)
If he wants to see the kids he can do it through the courts. Does he parent his other kids? If not he is using the kids as pawns to get to you. Don’t fall for it. BE STRONG.
We have something here called GREY ROCK. It means be BORING. Make yourself boring, no drama.
He wants sex because A. he wants sex and B. sex releases hormones which will keep you bonded to him.
He will find another supply but ONLY if you ignore him. He won’t get custody. He won’t bother if you ignore him. It’s not the kids he wants it’s YOU.
DO NOT put your kids in any more danger. You have been lucky, don’t push your luck. The last thing you want is a spath baby-sitting.
If he says he has a gun then he probably has. They usually do a ’tell’ like you said about that incident where he held a gun to his ex’s head.
So his mommy thinks you need a vacation and everything will be ok! WTF. What planet is SHE on?!
You are OUT. STAY OUT. Break the bond. Try to make sure you do not put yourselves in danger. This is the MOST dangerous time for you and your beautiful children. Be strong. Get help. Good luckïŠ
Hope this helps.
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denialmomma – Wow some post. This sounds like a VERY dangerous situation to me. Be VERY careful.
Ok. Let’s try to break this down a bit. So he does not have good relationships with his kids (no surprise there!) The chances of him paying any child support are REMOTE. All he wants is the drama and a reason to stay attached to the mothers.
If his daughter wishes him dead, ask yourself WHY?
So his ex called HIM for sex. Yeah right. His ex’s are still trauma bonded to him.
There are some SERIOUS issues going on here. Can you get RIGHT AWAY from him? Whatever you do DO NOT tell him your plans.
The mum sounds pretty messed up too.
The gun on the table”..that was to SHOW you he had the power. He was saying I’m going out but my gun is here (as a threat)
Grey rock is act boring ”“ no drama. Make him leave you cos you are soooooooooo boring. But DO NOT put yourself (or your kids in danger)
Ox/Guys where are you? I’m out of my depth here (trying to help)and need some help.
Gray rock is to be very boring. show no emotion. be as dull as a grey rock. attract no attention, be un-noticable. If he asks you anything, just answer, “ok, whatever, or it doesn’t matter, uhhuh, I don’t know, I don’t care etc..” use a monotone. talk about really boring things, like the wart you once had or a rash you’ve developed (no the rash is too interesting, try a hangnail) The garbage pick up or the flowers in your garden. Anything you can discuss without emotion. Don’t show irritation or opinion.
Thanks Sky. ‘the rash is too interesting’ (((((loving that))))
It’s late and I need to go to bed. Family funeral in the morning.
OMG that should be interesting. The family come out of the woodwork and I KNOW there will be fireworks – always is!
Oh well, this time tomorrow it will be a distant memory.
Everytime I read this stuff about gray rock, it makes me think how I probably did this without even realizing I did it. Too funny!! I am kind of quiet and the X spath is a talker. So he would talk and talk and I would just listen. He even called me a “sponge” one time. But then he did tell me that he could talk to me; that I was easy to talk to and he thought that was important in a relationship. Yeah, right…go to Hell!!
@candy, sorry for your loss. Goodnight.
Dear denialmomma,
Go through the archives here on LF and read all the articles…..one by one, just the articles for now….and keep on blogging here as well. EDUCATE yourself about 1) psychopaths and 2) healing…..it won’t be over night.
Make plans to get away and disappear. Get a bag with a couple of changes of clothes for you and for your kids….as much cash as you can hoard, important papers, birth certificates, car insurance or titles, mortgage papers, coupon books for payments, credit cards, etc. Medication if you take any…but it is a GRAB AND GO bag….don’t even tell your kids.
Does he live with you? Are you married to him or other wise legally entangled to him? Are any of your kids legally “his”?
Do you have a job? Talk to your boss.
Call the local domestic violence shelter….see one of their counselors and talk to them….
Make a get away plan long term, and also an immediate shelter plan for emergencies as well.
Do you have friends/relatives in another state that would take you in?
Get a throw away cell phone and keep the number private and hidden.
Erase your “history” on your internet browser or use a computer at the library so he can’t find you here on Love Fraud….BE CAREFUL!
Again, welcome! Glad you are here, this place will help you. WE GET IT about psychopaths! (((hugs))) and God bless.