“How did he really feel?” and “What did he want from me?” are two questions that often haunt victims of sociopaths. The reason we are haunted by these questions varies but often stems from the habit of over-focusing on the sociopath instead of ourselves. That being said, victims also have a healthy ”˜need to know’ that can help with recovery and healing.
I struggled with these questions in my own healing. I remain baffled by my observations of enjoyment of affection on the part of sociopaths. Early on, I told my own therapist that I had come to the conclusion that sociopaths exploit those close to them to the point of death, then, cry at the funeral. At the moment the tears are shed, I believe they do represent a grief of sorts. The feelings of loss experienced by sociopaths are however, short lived. Victims also have to beware because, although sociopaths are said to be incapable of feelings for those in their lives, they do become obsessed with them. Psychologists have not yet explained this obsession. If they don’t attach, why are they obsessed? Those who have read my other entries know that I believe that sociopaths do attach. It is what they do with attachments that is disordered.
How did he really feel?
In response to the picture of a sociopath crying at his victim’s funeral, my therapist said, “He feels what he tells himself he feels.” To help you understand what my therapist meant, I will explain what is known about how people usually experience feelings.
There are two components to feelings. The first is a physical sensation. When we experience a feeling we feel something in our bodies in relationship to that feeling. Think about loving someone close to you and sense how your body feels. Is it warmth in your heart? That is usually what people report.
There is much evidence that these physical sensations are disordered in sociopaths. Sociopaths do not generally experience the physical and hormonal changes that go along with feeling emotion. If they do experience them, it is to a lesser degree. Physical responses are blunted.
The second component of feelings is called attribution. Attribution is a cognitive process. When I feel that warmth in my heart as I see my children, I attribute the sensation to my love for them. Thus the physical sensation alone does not make emotion. Emotion is physical sensations and our interpretations of these sensations. There is also evidence that the parts of the brain responsible for attribution do not function properly in sociopaths.
There is one emotion that many sociopaths experience in a not so disordered way. This emotion is anger. Sociopaths do have blunted physical responses to anger. Despite this blunted responsiveness, they seem aware of angry feelings and make correct attributions about what makes them angry. Again, science has not even addressed, much less explained this observation.
Since the physical sensations and attributions that allow for the experience of emotion are disordered in sociopaths, their inner world is very different. They are left to make sense of themselves and others without the tools most of us use. Other parts of the brain fill in the missing processes. The person who is credited with first describing sociopathy in depth is Hervey Cleckley. He proposed that sociopaths are at least of average if not above average verbal intelligence. This makes sense because they have to use their verbal intelligence to make up for their lack of emotions. They do indeed feel what they tell themselves they feel. Scientists say they mimic other people’s emotions, yet again there is no real proof of this.
What did he want from me?
This question is easy to answer intellectually, but very hard for victims to accept emotionally. There are three pleasures we get from our love relationships. The first is pleasure in affection. The second is sexual pleasure. The third is pleasure associated with dominance and control. Sociopaths experience sex and dominance as enormously more pleasurable than affection. Therefore, they are in relationships to get sex and power, pure and simple.
If you love deeply and feel affection for others, you cannot fathom the inner world of an emotionally disordered person whose primary pleasures are sex and power. To understand another’s world you have to imagine yourself experiencing what the other experiences. You can’t do this with a sociopath.
Louise Gallagher said in her post The six steps of healing from a psychopath that the first step is acceptance. We have to accept that we can only know in part how sociopaths really feel and what they want from us. We can understand intellectually, but never emotionally.
denialmomma – I don’t know your circumstances but here’s a suggestion….if you HAVE to communicate with him do it on YOUR terms. Switch off your phone. Turn it on to pick up messages say….twice a day. Then when YOU are ready respond with a txt and then switch off your phone. It may help to stop giving him the satisfaction of getting a reaction out of you.
If I dont answer the phone, he will just come over. I just talk to him like once a day so I wont have to see or hear from him for the rest of the day.
D-momma ~ Yes, what Candy said works great. My husband and I are co-parenting with his ex SSV. He does not answer her calls. She leaves a message, and he answers with a text. If he needs to talk, he calls his son (16), and speaks to him instead. It has been very effective so far. We’ve only been using this method of contact for about a month now.
The point is, don’t let the guy harass you. Every minute you spend being angry or upset at him is another minute of your life wasted. All that adrenaline is NOT healthy for you either. Try not to let him get to you.
h2h
Yeah you right!! I can’t be going through his emotional roller coasters with him. It doesn’t feel healthy. I’m gonna try to avoid his calls like you and candy said.
denialmomma – ok, so he comes round to your house, shouting and giving you grief. What about a restraining order?
Denial mom, I’d like to add a little bit to the advice you have been given so far which I think is GREAT advice.
When you pull back and stop talking to him, EXPECT HIM TO RAMP IT UP for a while…..so if he shows up at your door, do not answer the door, just call the police and tell them that your ex husband is at your door and will not leave. BUT what ever you do, do NOT communicate with him at all.
Let the cops come and ask him to leave.
I’m not sure how old your kid is or what the visiting arrangements are but don’t let the kid answer the door or talk to him through the door either, tell your child/ren to go to their rooms.
Communicate with him ONLY through e mails (and keep copies of all the e mails, yours and his) I llike the idea of keeping printed copies either in a lock box or at your friend’s house.
Communicate ONLY about your child. IGNORE any nasty remarks he makes to you, names he calls you or whatever.
Example
His e mail to you: ” D-mama, what a biatch you are, just like you always were I hate your guts why did you have the cops throw me off your door step? you Biatch. Junior is supposed to be at my house this weekend….blah blah blah
Your response:
You can pick junior up after school Friday at 3:30, our arrangement says he should be home by 6:30 on Sunday. YOu can just drop him off at the curb.
Now, if he tries to come in to talk to you, don’t talk to him, but have your cell in your hand and 911 programmed into the phone. If he rails at you, yells or touches you, go in the house close the door and call 911. If he threatens you or touches you file for a restraining order.
YOU can take charge of the situation instead of letting him have control over you—over your peace and your mind. You are NOT a door mat and he should not be allowed to treat you like his own personal door mat. Good luck! (((hugs))))
Good Morning Everyone –
I have had to change my screen name per a request from Donna and am testing to make sure that it has been changed.
I would like to go into the details of why she contacted me, but I will not without her permission – and have also suggested that maybe this could be something to be brought to everyone’s attention as to the lengths and actions some ex’s will go through.
I am extremely upset by all of this and I hope Donna will share, but for now I just have to get away from the computer and contact the authorities.
Donna – I hope I haven’t said too much, but wanted everyone to know that I was still here – even if I don’t post as much as others, but I really don’t want to leave LF.
Once again – thanks you for the information.
This has been a pretty rough week and a half. I am finding myself thinking allot about the spath and less about myself and my own recovery. Not a good head space to be in.
One thing I have been thinking about (healthy or not) is whether the spaths think of us. I know that when I hear of or think of my spath I take these things personally…as if everything directly relates to me. I know this is not the reality but I can’t help but wonder if they think of us and focus on us. Clearly they can’t because they haven’t been hurt the way we have. I’m not sure if this is making sence.
I want answers, I want to understand. I wonder if he feels the same. Its as if when or if he gets sad is it because he misses us..is it out of anger???
My head is playing games. I am still trying to understand the sociopath..still looking for ways to rationalize that he loved me at some point. That some part of all of this was real. I replay many things…mostly trivial looking for answers. Silly I know…its as if I want to believe I was real to him.
Not sure if this is making sence. Is this normal because it does not seem logical.
Dear Coping ~ First of all, let me say that what you are thinking and feeling is absolutely normal. It’s only natural to be confused and befuddled after surviving a spath experience.
Sociopaths are totally self-absorbed and incapable of love. They are predators, only looking to feed their soulless existence. They feed off of our emotions because they have none. It WAS NOT REAL. It was fantasy, an illusion.
You’re right about it not being logical. NOTHING to do with spaths is logical. Blessings to you, h2h
Coping,
no they don’t feel the same as we do. they can’t.
When I was 17 or 18, I came home from work and the spath was sitting on the porch. He said, “I’m sad.”
I asked why.
He said, “There were two 12 year-old Indian girls who used to come and talk to me but now they aren’t coming over anymore. I think they’re mad at me.”
Spath was 28 or 29.
At first I was perplexed but then I thought, “wow, spath is such a nice man that he would give the time of day to 12 year old little girls…”
Fast forward 25 years and I’ve broken up with spath and run into his buddy. His buddy says, “you know he cheated on you right? Did you know about the two 12-year old indian girls?”
I can only imagine what he did to them to make them “mad” at him.
So yes, they miss torturing us. They surely do. That’s what they miss.