“How did he really feel?” and “What did he want from me?” are two questions that often haunt victims of sociopaths. The reason we are haunted by these questions varies but often stems from the habit of over-focusing on the sociopath instead of ourselves. That being said, victims also have a healthy ”˜need to know’ that can help with recovery and healing.
I struggled with these questions in my own healing. I remain baffled by my observations of enjoyment of affection on the part of sociopaths. Early on, I told my own therapist that I had come to the conclusion that sociopaths exploit those close to them to the point of death, then, cry at the funeral. At the moment the tears are shed, I believe they do represent a grief of sorts. The feelings of loss experienced by sociopaths are however, short lived. Victims also have to beware because, although sociopaths are said to be incapable of feelings for those in their lives, they do become obsessed with them. Psychologists have not yet explained this obsession. If they don’t attach, why are they obsessed? Those who have read my other entries know that I believe that sociopaths do attach. It is what they do with attachments that is disordered.
How did he really feel?
In response to the picture of a sociopath crying at his victim’s funeral, my therapist said, “He feels what he tells himself he feels.” To help you understand what my therapist meant, I will explain what is known about how people usually experience feelings.
There are two components to feelings. The first is a physical sensation. When we experience a feeling we feel something in our bodies in relationship to that feeling. Think about loving someone close to you and sense how your body feels. Is it warmth in your heart? That is usually what people report.
There is much evidence that these physical sensations are disordered in sociopaths. Sociopaths do not generally experience the physical and hormonal changes that go along with feeling emotion. If they do experience them, it is to a lesser degree. Physical responses are blunted.
The second component of feelings is called attribution. Attribution is a cognitive process. When I feel that warmth in my heart as I see my children, I attribute the sensation to my love for them. Thus the physical sensation alone does not make emotion. Emotion is physical sensations and our interpretations of these sensations. There is also evidence that the parts of the brain responsible for attribution do not function properly in sociopaths.
There is one emotion that many sociopaths experience in a not so disordered way. This emotion is anger. Sociopaths do have blunted physical responses to anger. Despite this blunted responsiveness, they seem aware of angry feelings and make correct attributions about what makes them angry. Again, science has not even addressed, much less explained this observation.
Since the physical sensations and attributions that allow for the experience of emotion are disordered in sociopaths, their inner world is very different. They are left to make sense of themselves and others without the tools most of us use. Other parts of the brain fill in the missing processes. The person who is credited with first describing sociopathy in depth is Hervey Cleckley. He proposed that sociopaths are at least of average if not above average verbal intelligence. This makes sense because they have to use their verbal intelligence to make up for their lack of emotions. They do indeed feel what they tell themselves they feel. Scientists say they mimic other people’s emotions, yet again there is no real proof of this.
What did he want from me?
This question is easy to answer intellectually, but very hard for victims to accept emotionally. There are three pleasures we get from our love relationships. The first is pleasure in affection. The second is sexual pleasure. The third is pleasure associated with dominance and control. Sociopaths experience sex and dominance as enormously more pleasurable than affection. Therefore, they are in relationships to get sex and power, pure and simple.
If you love deeply and feel affection for others, you cannot fathom the inner world of an emotionally disordered person whose primary pleasures are sex and power. To understand another’s world you have to imagine yourself experiencing what the other experiences. You can’t do this with a sociopath.
Louise Gallagher said in her post The six steps of healing from a psychopath that the first step is acceptance. We have to accept that we can only know in part how sociopaths really feel and what they want from us. We can understand intellectually, but never emotionally.
coping – you are doing really well. you see that your thinking is befuddled; you know the struggle you are in. Brava! you WILL win.
okay, we are brainwashed while we are relating to them. so, now our job is to use our mind’s tendency to accept repeated messages to change out thinking. i thought about the most difficult thing that the spath did to me – and whenever i had thoughts THAT ONE WOULD HAVE IF ONE HAD BROKEN UP WITH A PERSON WHO IS NOT DISORDERED, I would repeat to myself: the spath did x. it cut cleaning through the bs in my mind. I had to do this over and over again – it is a practice and it does work.
it’s so not about him, he is disordered. if he thinks of you his motivation is about what he can get from you or what he take from you to hurt you. They are trash.
It IS about you, and how you move through this and into a sane and worthwhile life. this does not include the disordered.
keep posting!
coping
’One thing I have been thinking about (healthy or not) is whether the spaths think of us’ —the answer is NO they do not. Well, not as we think of them. They may be angry or pished that we have cut off their supply but they do not ’miss’ US.
Here’s a thought. Imagine you are a torch (to spath you are of some use) now imagine your batteries die (end of the relationshit) Now spath will just throw you in a box and forget about you. Once in a while he might take you out of the box and give you a shake to see if you still work. If not, he throws you back into the box. That is all the emotion he has for you. You were an object for his use (money, sex, a roof) Once we are of no use to them we are discarded.
His anger is because he’s lost control ”“ that’s all.
None of it was real, it was all a mirage.
You are getting there, keep reading and posting.
Thank you,
It’s been 8 months already and I wonder when in the world this will end. And with every thought and day that passes new challenges seem to arise. I supposse that is a normal part of rebuilding a life and starting fresh with a life full of greater possiblitities.
I know he does not care..yet I fall into the pattern of delusional thinking…wanting to believe the words were not lies.
He has moved on and has been with several women since…I simply want him to go away and finally leave my son and I alone. Whereas he does not “stalk” me he continues to play games with the legal system. I guess this is his form of punishment or feeling of continued entitledment. Why wouldn’t he feel this way? He parties, has sex, sleeps when tired, and works. He has suffered no real consequences to his actions.
He has no love for me or anyone. I must stop in my weak moments thinking of him as a normal person. This only steals my time and energy and lord knows I need every bit of that to stay focused on my life and creating a new word for my son and I. Some days I think this has gone on long enough and I should be over it. Other days I wonder how I survived and how I will find the stregth to keep moving forward.
Katy’s earlier post worried me. I would hate for him to find me here. I am already paranoid enough trying to anticipate his next move.
Despite all the pain and destruction he has caused…I can never allow him to find out my feelings. That would be the worste and empower him to a level I cannot imagine.
Coping – You will find the strength, it’s in YOU. I see it in your post. You are having a wobble – I get them myself from time to time!
The games with the legal system are to give him a buzz, don’t rise to his demands, show NO emotion.
Do we ever get over it? I don’t know. What I do know is that time and distancing ourselves from them helps.
Skylar
So, your jackass spath was trying to rub it in your face that he was cheating on you with 12 year old girls. He took pleasure in that. What a sicko.
Wow, I want to throw up for you.
Hi Coping,
Candy’s advice is correct, also as you already know, give up trying to rationalise it, spaths are totally irrational, no point.
I have been dragged to court 40 times (41st appearance scheduled), I used to get nervous but now I amuse myself reading the court listings working out which family judge I have not yet met, 3 to go!
It takes time, but you get there, painful, emotional, draining, but you will get there.
Keep NC, wobble days, I had plenty of them. I logged on here read some posts, always brought back some painful memories, wobble calmed ..ish. The survivors on here are trying to help other victims, its called empathy, something we have and they cannot understand.
Your focus, your son and you, period. They don’t ‘miss’ anyone, (my spath has not seen his own children in 5/6 years), they may miss the power kick, but not you as a person, they never knew you, because they didn’t care.
Keep posting, keep reading.
Superkid,
OMG, you’re right.
I didn’t even GET that.
It was a TELL! Jayzus!
You’re getting very good at this SK, very good at reading spaths and interpreting them.
Skylar
When you say, “it was a TELL” you mean he let the mask slip?
Sky, I can’t believe you didn’t figure out….I thought by telling us it was because you KNEW (later) what he was saying then. If course he was either farking them or trying to…..
SK, NO CONTACT IS THE ONLY WAY, it WILL make you stronger and WILL help you heal. It is not an easy thing at first, but the longer you maintain it the easier it gets until it feels NATURAL and you no longer LONG for contact with the disordered person.
YOU CAN DO IT!!!!!!