“How did he really feel?” and “What did he want from me?” are two questions that often haunt victims of sociopaths. The reason we are haunted by these questions varies but often stems from the habit of over-focusing on the sociopath instead of ourselves. That being said, victims also have a healthy ”˜need to know’ that can help with recovery and healing.
I struggled with these questions in my own healing. I remain baffled by my observations of enjoyment of affection on the part of sociopaths. Early on, I told my own therapist that I had come to the conclusion that sociopaths exploit those close to them to the point of death, then, cry at the funeral. At the moment the tears are shed, I believe they do represent a grief of sorts. The feelings of loss experienced by sociopaths are however, short lived. Victims also have to beware because, although sociopaths are said to be incapable of feelings for those in their lives, they do become obsessed with them. Psychologists have not yet explained this obsession. If they don’t attach, why are they obsessed? Those who have read my other entries know that I believe that sociopaths do attach. It is what they do with attachments that is disordered.
How did he really feel?
In response to the picture of a sociopath crying at his victim’s funeral, my therapist said, “He feels what he tells himself he feels.” To help you understand what my therapist meant, I will explain what is known about how people usually experience feelings.
There are two components to feelings. The first is a physical sensation. When we experience a feeling we feel something in our bodies in relationship to that feeling. Think about loving someone close to you and sense how your body feels. Is it warmth in your heart? That is usually what people report.
There is much evidence that these physical sensations are disordered in sociopaths. Sociopaths do not generally experience the physical and hormonal changes that go along with feeling emotion. If they do experience them, it is to a lesser degree. Physical responses are blunted.
The second component of feelings is called attribution. Attribution is a cognitive process. When I feel that warmth in my heart as I see my children, I attribute the sensation to my love for them. Thus the physical sensation alone does not make emotion. Emotion is physical sensations and our interpretations of these sensations. There is also evidence that the parts of the brain responsible for attribution do not function properly in sociopaths.
There is one emotion that many sociopaths experience in a not so disordered way. This emotion is anger. Sociopaths do have blunted physical responses to anger. Despite this blunted responsiveness, they seem aware of angry feelings and make correct attributions about what makes them angry. Again, science has not even addressed, much less explained this observation.
Since the physical sensations and attributions that allow for the experience of emotion are disordered in sociopaths, their inner world is very different. They are left to make sense of themselves and others without the tools most of us use. Other parts of the brain fill in the missing processes. The person who is credited with first describing sociopathy in depth is Hervey Cleckley. He proposed that sociopaths are at least of average if not above average verbal intelligence. This makes sense because they have to use their verbal intelligence to make up for their lack of emotions. They do indeed feel what they tell themselves they feel. Scientists say they mimic other people’s emotions, yet again there is no real proof of this.
What did he want from me?
This question is easy to answer intellectually, but very hard for victims to accept emotionally. There are three pleasures we get from our love relationships. The first is pleasure in affection. The second is sexual pleasure. The third is pleasure associated with dominance and control. Sociopaths experience sex and dominance as enormously more pleasurable than affection. Therefore, they are in relationships to get sex and power, pure and simple.
If you love deeply and feel affection for others, you cannot fathom the inner world of an emotionally disordered person whose primary pleasures are sex and power. To understand another’s world you have to imagine yourself experiencing what the other experiences. You can’t do this with a sociopath.
Louise Gallagher said in her post The six steps of healing from a psychopath that the first step is acceptance. We have to accept that we can only know in part how sociopaths really feel and what they want from us. We can understand intellectually, but never emotionally.
Candy;
Don’t we wish they were all that easy to get ride of, either in person or in memory?
BBE
You said despite all the evidence you see your spath as being a nice guy.
I know what you mean. I wonder, do we all struggle with that? I can see a person who is physically disabled, missing an arm or a leg, and say “this part’s good, that part is goofed up” and I see the whole person for who he is.
But with a spath it’s so damn confusing. I know my spath is a train wreck inside, but, my brain seems to only let me see him being ALL GOOD or ALL BAD. I have a hard time having a fully integrated vision of him that is accurate.
SK
SK,
I know it’s hard, it’s called cognitive dissonance and spaths work that angle. So you have to work it back.
We are used to believing what we see and hear. Our senses don’t lie to us. I’ve been believing what I see and hear for 45 years. But not anymore. My senses don’t lie, but they don’t have the whole picture. The rest of the picture is being hidden by spath lies, and the little bit that we are allowed to see, IS a lie.
They really are all bad. There is no good. The only good they show is just a show, meant to deceive. For example, if you were a low life, drug dealing murderer, you spath would never show you the face that he shows SK. He would simply be more himself. Or more accurately, more a mirror of the lowlife.
There isn’t anything real in a spath, except for his PD’s, which consist of narcissism and envy. Everything else is just a mirror, of you or someone else they’ve seen. It’s a really good mirror though. It seems so real.
To work the cogdis out, I just watch for red flags, then I know the truth. That’s what LF has taught me: they are all exactly the same. Once you see red flags, they are predictable and unoriginal. But if you interface with them, you are forced to interface with the mask, since they don’t show you the truth. And it’s hard to keep up the barrier against your normal human emotions to what appears to be a normal human. You slip into cogdis, everytime you have contact with the facade. That’s why NC is important, especially at first.
When you get to the point where you KNOW without a shadow of a doubt, what you are interfacing with, it might be possible to have contact and not lose touch with the truth, but your emotions will still take a hit.
It’s just like going to a movie and knowing it’s just a fictional story. The drama can still bring tears to your eyes. It’s all set up to do just that. That’s the point of the movie and that’s the point of the spath.
Skylar,
I think I’m working with one now. Ever since I started working out at the gym for real, and started losing weight, she is ignoring me and she just won’t speak to me until she has to. She says she is a “controlling bitch” and she is.
However, she’s been scaring me lately. Bad vibes from her.
Tonight, after work she was all dolled up and I said “oh, you look nice, are you going out?” She said “yes, I’ll talk to you later” hmmm. I think she despises me AND the weird voicemail at work I thought was from spath friend? I think it was her!! After 30 days or so the voicemail say’s deleting message from and the phone number from which it came…from her area code, town, etc. I have to investigate further…she does know about spath…NOT everything..just that we had it out, and the cops were involved. UGHH One more thing…I don’t like to look at her in the face…it unerves me…
SK;
Perhaps experiences vary, depending upon the sociopath’s nature. Since my x-spath was nonviolent and at least to my knowledge, non-criminal, its hard for me to see him as all-bad.
This is why I look to facts and actions rather than speculation. For example, while all the evidence points to a sordid past (and probable HIV infection), I am not 100% sure of either.
However, actions by him were clear lies and manipulations when they need not have been. For each of his lies, a truthful statement would have sufficed.
Obviously, the very fact that his sister has minimal contact with him is telling, given that there are no other sibling and both parents are dead.
skylar:
I like your analogy about going to a movie…thanks for that.
Ana, it is possible this person is just JEALOUS of you and your success at the gym…since this is a work relationship not a personal one….I would just do like you have been doing, compliment her when you get a chance “Oh, you sure look nice today” and then just let it go unless you have to interact with her on something work related, or you get another chance to “compliment” her. It makes you appear “friendly and nice” without giving her any ammunition to use against you.
skylar: yes! your post about spaths is right on. I experienced the same things and completely agree with you. COMPLETELY. I am going to save your post because it’s so accurate. I need to read it and re-read it over and over again – the TRUTH is blinding; isn’t it?
Dupey
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance
Thanks Oxy,
That is what I’ll do. If I find out that phone message came from her home phone :::scream::: I’ll really be freaked. But until I know for sure, yeah, I can play the game. Thanks.:)
Dear Ana,
I’ve worked with psychopaths, I’ve been their boss, and they’ve been my boss, or just across the board co-workers….recognizing what they are and that they are dangerous if you get “cross ways” with them….they will do whatever it takes to stab you in the back. I had one woman who was a co-worker, (not my boss or me hers) but she ended up bringing the entire CORPORATION that owned the hospital to the ground….the hospital was eventually closed because she brought it to the brink of bankruptcy. I wasn’t the only one who saw it coming, in fact, about 6 months after she started work there half of the nursing staff was gone and it was during an acute shortage of nurses and the other half of us kept saying “why can’t someone see??????” Well, I lasted another 6 months and by this time the psychopath had been fired herself….but by the time I left there was only ONE nurse left who had been there before this woman came on board….and since it was a SPECIALTY hospital that required specially trained nurses which were NOT available the whole thing went belly up.
In the instances you are WORKING with one, you need to get and read Dr. Bob Hare’s book SNAKES IN SUITS, WHEN PSYCHOPATHS GO TO WORK. It will help you stay clear of them as much as possible. Sometimes there is NO WAY to avoid them if they TARGET you….but other times you can just avoid negative interactions with them if you realize what they are and can “backspath” them as ErinBrock says. Or, it will give you time to start to look for another job if there is no way to avoid them. I have done both.
The last time I had one for a boss, I was WARNED before I took the job and I did not listen. DUH???!!!! But fortunately when I realized what she was and that the warning was RIGHT ON, I was able to just resign and not worry about another job already being in the box. Actually, it was a godsend and I just didn’t know it at the time.
If you are not EMOTIONALLY invested in them it makes it easier to take action logically. When we ARE emotionally invested in the psychopath, that is when we try to “fix it” and we start to really SUFFER.